Re: Paper Ballot is 0% tamper proof
by JGN on Aug 30, 2010 09:16 PM
He is taking the help of others as he does not have access to "source code". That does not mean that the EVMs cannot be programmed to give a particular result. That is what he is trying to ascertain. CEC is shying away from geting their machine tested by any one else.
Re: UID
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 10:37 PM
UID can be collected from voter list! there again, if EVM is pre-programmed what UID can do? with UID inserting, of course voter will vote but his votes will not be counted! who will check it? peper ballot is only solution!
Re: Re: UID
by Animesh Priyadarshi on Aug 31, 2010 08:48 PM
Paper ballot have major issues in India and that is why it was done away with. The question is how can EVM be made better. UID can be used to ensure better traceability and firm accountability as bimetrics is built into it. EVM can ensure an electronic trail log.
who is responsible for allowing a criminal able to fight election and win?when the CEC recommended that Mr navin chawla is bias to certain political party.again he manage to become CEC,how?when Mr.gill retired from the post of CEC,he immidiatly became minister,for what services he got that reward?how EC allowed Mrs Sonia Gandhi to fight election and became MP.when matter was that much important for national security.can anybody give a single example anywhere in the world this type of things happened?( personalty I respect Mrs sonia Gandhi as deedi)EVM is not correct type of voting when whole world excepted this then why EC insisting for it?
Re: extremely corrupt
by JGN on Aug 30, 2010 09:02 PM
We never had an honest election commissioner after the retirement of Mr. T.N.Seshan.
Those who are holding constitutional posts like CEC, CJI, etc should not be allowed to accept any other govt employment at least for five years after retirement (preferably never)!
Re: BJP would have won
by mohan chalam on Aug 30, 2010 09:05 PM
then why BJP MPs not resign en mass.you mean they manipulated evms that way so every party should win some seats?it looks difficult but not impossible.
rediff wants to make this issue a sensation by not disclosing the entire evm process from starting till end. I feel many of the poeple here does not know it. please publish the same. you are creating confusion by not disclosing or you are paid for creating the confusion
its really great news to hear that evm can be hacked and it requires experts from foreign and i hope every party had their foreign experts to hack the evm in each and every polling booth in the last election. people can go to any extent to prove what ever they wish to.do we hava any software in the world which can't be hacked, hari needs to answer a lot of questions and his motive behind it.
Re: evm
by JGN on Aug 30, 2010 08:57 PM
What is the problem for the CEC to allow the experts to examine to EVMs if they are tamper proof? Why don't they allow any one to even touch the same? What are they trying to hide?
Re: Re: evm
by subash narain on Aug 30, 2010 09:03 PM
what is there to hide, if evm can be hacked then bjp won't have lost the natioal elections,congress would not have lost in karnataka, would have won majority in bihar, the results of different elections have shown that the evm can be trusted,
Re: Re: Re: evm
by JGN on Aug 30, 2010 09:06 PM
What makes you believe that all the political parties do not come to some understanding during the election time? Who is h0lier than th0u?
Have you seen any MP refusing to accept the revised salary when more than 300 million people are subsisting on less than Rs. 20 a day and 60 million child labours are there in our country?
... and ask for any financial help they require. There will be loads of donations coming in.
Not to prove EVMs are wrong. But to restore a transperant democratic process. If EVMs are indeed proved tamper proof, that would restore confidence of the voter.
Re: I suggest they should open a trust...
by Amp Dms on Aug 31, 2010 09:13 AM
Indians should protest silently but firmly in front of EC offices through out India, and UPA/Cong. headquarters for change and not involve managing funds.
Re: I suggest they should open a trust...
by JGN on Aug 30, 2010 08:59 PM
Yes; that is the ultimate aim. Either prove they are tamperpfoof or discard if they can be tampered with. There is use trying to scuttle the voice of people like Hari Kumar.
Re: Re: I suggest they should open a trust...
by prabhat mohanty on Aug 30, 2010 09:10 PM
- Nothing is tamper proof. The best of cryptography has been hacked into.
The best of secured network has been hacked into.
That does not mean we shut down banking, NASA, Pentagon Networks...
This is a finest system for a country like India. very well home-grown technology. And well implemented.
There is always a scope for improvement. Things would evolve.
Re: Re: Re: I suggest they should open a trust...
by JGN on Aug 30, 2010 09:14 PM
Has any Bank shied away from testing their ATMs? Thousands of trials and errors have been carried out before the ATMs were installed. The forerunner of ATM was a chocolate vending machine!!!
Re: Re: Re: I suggest they should open a trust...
by Amp Dms on Aug 31, 2010 09:21 AM
Many news has sited EC officers in past, that EVMs are foreign firm equipments and NOT a home grown technology! I would not say it is well implemented either because EC officers themselves were/are claiming them temper proofs! Reasonably intelligent person can not accept it as truth! Though, EC tried to sell EVM on lie and lost its credibility!
