Thanks Mr. Hari K Prasad for exposing the lies the Congress Govt & Election Commissions have been telling to the People of India. This faulty machine is a great threat to Democracy. Satyameba Jayate
if there is no minimum 61 constituency, there EVM can not be used!
recent Teleganga voting was having 13 constituency and thats why all votes were taken in ballot paper! congress has lost all the seats! had the voting wud have done by EVM, congress wud pre-programme it for win upto 10 seats and 3 seats for opposition to balance the public doubt!!
archieve rediff or any other site for the date of telegana election, u will get the detail, how Telengana election conducted! there no EVM was used!
Re: criteria for using EVM-why congress lost all seats in Telenga
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:30 PM
rediff news: july 11
Swamped with a deluge of candidates for the upcoming bypolls to 12 seats in the Andhra Pradesh Assembly, the Election Commission is likely to abandon the Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs) and revert to ballot papers and manual counting of votes.
So, 11 years after the country switched to EVMs, voters in the 12 Telangana [ Images ] constituencies will once again be depending on paper ballots, ballot boxes and manual counting of votes in the July 27 bye-elections.
This is because more than 85 candidates are in the fray in each of these constituencies and the EVMs can be used only if the number of candidates in a constituency is less than 64.
Re: Re: criteria for using EVM-why congress lost all seats in Tel
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:31 PM
i was wrong to tell that : less than 61 contituenciues but the line will be , more than 64 candidates in a single constituency! see the above rediff news! but the content of my message hold still good!
Re: Mr.NARASIMHA RAO's ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK NOT UPTO MARK!.
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:23 PM
European country and western country already checked with higher grade of technology but failed!! no measurement of security measure can give a full proof EVM as it is basically a software! ur vote is like a drop of water in occeon when u r voting in EVM where u cant re-check!
when we r waiting for 5 years, then why not for some more month to enlarge the democratic process and vote counting manually ? afterall, it is related with belief of people! population/ overpopulation is just an excuse!
Re: Mr.NARASIMHA RAO's ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK NOT UPTO MARK!.
by Hari on Aug 30, 2010 01:26 PM
There is no problem in questioning the legitimacy of EVMs. All that he is asking is, elections cannot be fought on trust alone, it should be fought based on proof.
Govt has arrested Hari Prasad few days back. 2 or 3 days is enough to extract required info. Why the govt. has not come out with any further details.
EVMs are can be tampered, that means there is no value for your and my vote.
As per the Information Technology Act, all the electronic items should have paper backups. So, EVMs are no exception to this reqmnt. And EC should ensure the provisions of Act are implemented in EVMs to inspire peoples confidance in the fairness and transperancy in Election process.
I am unable to understand what all this fuss is about. As far as I can make out the machine can be manipulated but only after it falls in wrong hands. That way even when voting was manual results could be manipulated by capturing booths. So if we can make the security of the machines after voting foolproof there is not much to worry about.
Re: EVMS
by Against Pseudos on Aug 30, 2010 01:11 PM
Kamal Seth:
:) The problem is that whereas you CAN safeguard against booth capturing; you can't against EVM tampering. The 235 security guards you will put up on the outside will know not a single whiff of what happened inside the machine like hey presto!
Which is what Hari K Prasad wants to prove. Which is what Election Commission doesn't want him to do. Which is what you are missing in terms of the point. :)
Re: EVMS
by JayaKrishnan B on Aug 30, 2010 01:02 PM
manual voting is diff, but with EVMs , the EC keeps saying that its very secure and safe and cannot be tampered with , which is a lie. They are making people believe that EVMs are safe when its not.
Re: EVMS
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:04 PM
rigging can be checked by putting more police and security but the system where ur valuable votes/ our democracy is dependant , if that system is under doubt, then it shud be changed!! people belief is with ballot paper! software system with any margin of security can not be full proof! it is always prone to virus affected! i have seen with my experience that EVM has stopped working dfor some time ., then polling agent had to delete all earlier votes to get into work!
European/ western country already checked with higher grade of technology but failed!! no measurement of security measure can give a full proof EVM as it is basically a software! ur vote is like a drop of water in occeon when u r voting in EVM where u cant re-check!
when we r waiting for 5 years, then why not for some more month to enlarge the democratic process and vote counting manually ? afterall, it is related with belief of people! population/ overpopulation is just an excuse!
Re: One method of tampering
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM
Yup but this is no lift operating machine, it is a compex machine which is indeed tempre proof. as proved world wide and has been appreciates by even international experts.
Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:07 PM
Yup but if you read the article fully that you will find that what Hari prasd is saying that if there are insiders and each and every place then this can be changes, that virtually means that new machines be cloned. That is a very far cry.
Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:14 PM
money and corruption can get all together in one common platform! if u r a boss of a corrupted company , u will understand how u can make corruption with the help of ur sub-contractor, client, even union leaders, staffs, engineer, accountant, store keeper etc but surprisingly, these all corruption datas r unavailable to public or to the honest/ majority of co's staff!! this is exactly how, many insiders /outsiders work when all have a common motive i.e. money!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:39 PM
this is just an example to make u likeIDIOT to understand but u r stillIDIOT!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:28 PM
Why to bother about that why not choose an independent body of political workers and let them assure that everything is right.
Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Against Pseudos on Aug 30, 2010 01:15 PM
ND:
If you read the article fully you will find that Hari Prasad has not said anything. This is an interview of GVL Narsimha Rao, and he is objecting to the fact that Hari Prasad has been wrongfully arrested and not even being given a chance to prove to Election Commission that their claims about EVMs have been false.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:44 PM
AP: what i found with discussion with ND, is: congress supporter has now started taqyia , just like msulyms! even if u produce a fact, they will wrongly misinterprete it! here, only before some days, telengana elections were carried out but this fellow is lying about the election process and claiming that EVM used in many contituencies in telangana with ballot paper! then, i have pasted rediff news of that date!! then, also, he is likely to ignore and stick on his own! they believe on only political affiliation and not on neutral fact!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:26 PM
When did I said that HP had said this or that, i have said see the article and even they claim this can be done when lots of pople at everystage are involved, this makes the while thing a farce. If this is to be done then there is no thing in world which is inpenetrable.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering
by Against Pseudos on Aug 30, 2010 01:38 PM
ND:
You can read your own message to find out where did you say that HP has said this or that. Reproduced below for your convenience:
Re: Re: Re: One method of tampering by Nitin Dutt (View MyPage) on Aug 30, 2010 01:07 PM Yup but if you read the article fully that you will find that what Hari prasd is saying that if there are insiders and each and every place then this can be changes, that virtually means that new machines be cloned. That is a very far cry.
Re: One method of tampering
by vikas sethi on Aug 30, 2010 03:14 PM
In that case all votes would go to only one candidate - the preferred one - isn't it?
recent Telengana election was comnducted by paper ballot!
now, see the result, congress has not got any seat there!
why??
EVM was not used!!
congress is uprightly has been rejected by pyublic! so, public has got natural doubt first of all that how congress has won the election, even after 26/11 in maharastra or loksabha election 2009 after series of bomb blast, mayhem, lawlessness in nation??
Re: Telengana election result is the latest proof of EVM being ha
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM
Brother in Telengana elections, at several seats EVM's were used and the results of those seats also did'nt went in favour of Congress. why did'nt congress won on those seats.
This is just another attempt to discredit our democratc election system and put the seeds of doubt in everyone.
Re: Re: Re: Telengana election result is the latest proof of EVM
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:14 PM
No, not yet. I'm writing freely on net, I may publish my views and I can talk about teh governmengt apathy publicly. I can File an enquiry under RTI, I can go to courts and yet i will not be arrested and executed.
My kids will be educated.
I have access to best of medickle treatments. By that I mean Govt. Hospitals notably AIIMS which provide best treatment for diseses like Cancer as well.
What more do we call freedom. we have never seen a bloodbath for power except once when Indira tried to umpose her will and was shown the door prmptly.
Look at others, where else do we find such life.
Look at pakistanis, nepalis, chinese, sri lankans. Corruption is everywhere in every country but what we can do is fight it in our won way, if we give up, then everyone will give up and we will go to dogs.
Re: Re: Telengana election result is the latest proof of EVM bein
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:10 PM
congress supporter has now started taqyia , just like msulyms! even if u produce a fact, they will wrongly misinterprete it! here, only before some days, telengana elections were carried out but this fellow is lying!!
Re: Re: Telengana election result is the latest proof of EVM bein
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 01:08 PM
u r a liar!! dont u know the criteria for using EVM?? if there is no minimum 61 constituency, there EVM can not be used! Teleganga was having 13 constituency and thats why all votes were taken in ballot paper! archieve rediff on the date of telegana election, u will get the detail!
Re: Re: Re: Telengana election result is the latest proof of EVM
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:16 PM
U r an idiot??? The EVM;s cannot be used if the number of candidates is not more than 61. Please get your facts right and then come showing off your non-existent pseudo -knowledge.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Telengana election result is the latest proof of
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:17 PM
Slight error, EVM can be used only when number of candidates is not more than 61.
Re: Last election results
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:51 PM
At every pollinng booth the representatives of all parties are available. If Congress would have done it why need allies, rig all machines, contest on all seats and win all seats.
Re: Re: Re: Last election results
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:01 PM
I have cated my vote on EVM on now thrice and I never saw anyone overlooking my shoulder seeing where I casted my vote. the machines are covered from three sides and no one can see it. If it is not so, voter can always stall the process and request them to provide a cover.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Last election results
by Against Pseudos on Aug 30, 2010 01:17 PM
ND:
:) So you in fact agree that having representatives at the booths will in effect be totally useless.... Coz they can't see who casts what vote... right? :)
My point proved. But had I tried to make this point in the first place you would have battled it tooth and nail.
That you yourself proved my point is a great achievement... :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Last election results
by Chandra Paul on Aug 30, 2010 02:46 PM
every party representative will be present at every polling booth, this is to ensure that the correct person votes and people don't come more than once to cast their vote. but unfortunately the representatives are threatened for life and the booths are captured for rigging
Re: Re: Re: Last election results
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:00 PM
I'm not talking about Govt. Officials, I'm talking about political workers of other parties, that would require kind of mass movement and someo of these fellows are hard headed.
If you have csted your vote you would know that whenever a vote is casted several people from all parties have the list which they mark indicating who has casted the vote.
