Thanks Mr. Hari K Prasad for exposing the lies the Congress Govt & Election Commissions have been telling to the People of India. This faulty machine is a great threat to Democracy. Satyameba Jayate
Re: False claims
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM
You beleive it because some gori chamdi has said it can be hacked. they just want to discredit Indian Democracy
Backed by US congress won the election EVM is one weapon they used, many others, otherwise it was not at all possible to defeat BJP, they have done this twice.
Re: Congress is Smart
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:49 PM
Ohhh, but why do think it was not possible toi defeat BJP. Did BJP struck to their promise of making Ram Mandir for which I also voted them
Re: Re: Re: Congress is Smart
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 01:03 PM
But then why make promises driving people into a frenzy. I beleive all political paties are basically chors and we must find a new one eveytime to carryout burgulary in our house.
Cong has put their cronies in EC to get special help. after retirement cong will give them special post, like old MS Gill - cabinet minister for sports - who can not play any sports
Re: EC is slave of Congress
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 PM
Hmm, that is why I wonder Congress lost to Telengana (who oppossed EVM's) despite using EVM's in some parts of the consituency.
Wonder what kind of slave and what kind of hacking they have done in EVM's
Re: Re: EC is slave of Congress
by manoj on Aug 30, 2010 12:49 PM
When there is general election, it is possible to tamper a few EVMS in many remote places so that cong can win more seats.
but in small bye-elections it is very difficult to do
Re: Re: Re: EC is slave of Congress
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:54 PM
but that was not a by election dear. I feel that this is another attempt by Anti indian lobby to completely descredit Indian democractis system, which has stood its ground despit several issues that we have faced, take a look at neighbour pakistan. they too have a kind of democracy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: EC is slave of Congress
by Against Pseudos on Aug 30, 2010 01:01 PM
ND:
Given that it is the Election Commission which is ducking the issue raised by Hari K Prasad, I'd kind of doubt your bold statement. But then you are not in Election Commission so you CAN make bold statements... ;-)
Till major political parties are fully agreed to to use EVM machines, EC should stop using EVM for election purpose as some major political parties and people have made reservations on using this machine as it is not tamper proof. If but EC is adamant to use, POLITICAL PARTIES TO BOYCOTT ELECTIONS TILL EC CHANGE ITS DECISION
Re: EVM SHOULD BE TEMPORARILY BANNED TO USE IN ELECTION!!!
by A Ghosh on Aug 30, 2010 12:28 PM
mr know-all, give us 3 top ways by which a EVM can be tampered.
Re: Re: EVM SHOULD BE TEMPORARILY BANNED TO USE IN ELECTION!!!
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 12:40 PM
1 Input=TotalVoteClicked (automatic) Input=RankNumberOfWinner (has to be mannual) Input=NoOfCandidate (automatic)
As soon as you click output result a small program will run
2. Use random function to generate % of votes with a condition that winning candidate rank would be more than 50% and total of all candidates 100%
3. Distribute votes using the formulae and deliver output.
It is possible to design a printed circuit to do the above job, any electronics project student can do that.
This will be a general purpose rigging machine. You dont need to create new for every candidate. What you do is that, when you send to a particular constituency press one particular button initiating the rank of the winning candidate.
This is easy to do, but dont do it for all the constituencies.
This is one way. If you dont want any external input yet win election then you can add stochastic dominance of particular positions. In that case, only two party will survive in the country, others will simply vanish statistically.
Re: Re: Re: EVM SHOULD BE TEMPORARILY BANNED TO USE IN ELECTION!!
by A Ghosh on Aug 30, 2010 01:58 PM
these are just steps of a single process. and the evm also has security and authentication features, not a schoolboy project.
Re: Re: EVM SHOULD BE TEMPORARILY BANNED TO USE IN ELECTION!!!
by muralidharan R on Aug 30, 2010 12:37 PM
Mr.Naveen Chawla former Election commissioner should be prosecuted and the MP's who have won the last Loke sabha election should be disqualified.The legal team to help Prasad should include these two conditions also
Re: Re: Re: EVM SHOULD BE TEMPORARILY BANNED TO USE IN ELECTION!!
by Nitin Dutt on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 PM
Read the article fully and you will find out the the felloows are talking about lots of insiders to hack that machine. First insider is one who is ionvolved in manufacturig stage, second should be in the company where software is burned in machine. Third is someone who has access to machine during hacking the data into it and should know voting pattern as well. Again an insider is required to manipulate voting.
So many insiders required to do a job, I guess in todays world we all know that is pushing your luck too far. Maybe elephants will fly.
This is just an implant to discredit the Indian Democracy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: EVM SHOULD BE TEMPORARILY BANNED TO USE IN ELECTI
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 12:59 PM
money and corruption can get all together in one common platform! if u r a boss of a corrupted company , u will understand how u can make corruption with the help of ur sub-contractor, client, even union leaders, staffs, engineer, accountant, store keeper etc but surprisingly, these all corruption datas r unavailable to public or to the honest/ majority of co's staff!! this is exactly how, many insiders /outsiders work when all have a common motive i.e. money!
there r some people who r aligned to political parties so much that they keep their country in 2nd place, they shud call themselves congressi - or bhajpayee not INDIANS.
its a real shame people dont understand wht democracy is, it gives u the right to change alliances with any party by voting against next time.
there is no shame in that, on the contrary it means that u can think n improve, but these lifetime alliances to a party r anti-democratic in nature.
people must fight for their basic rights, otherwise they wud loose them slowly, like we r loosing them already.
it has been shown that how people cud be so easily manipulated.
It will not be wise to go back to ballot voting in a overpopulated Country such as India. We simply cannot ape the West because we are a different Country with varied problems on our hands. Ballot voting will put tremendous strain on our eco balance. Moreover, even during times of ballot voting there were countless charges of rigging and booth capturing by the ruling parties. Therefore, no system is foolproof and even if we revert to ballot voting, the losing side will always claim rigging to explain their defeat. We have decided to imbibe Technology to upgrade our electoral process and we cannot go back on that. What we need to do at this moment is to improve on what we have already achieved and try to make EVMs more accurate, reliable and trustworthy.
Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by v dev on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM
Very weird argument. Election is the most important franchise right of each citizen and this can not be entrusted to a machine that can be manipulated. Democracy offers scope for verification in case of dispute to find the truth and such a verification is not possible with EVMs. With the tribes of Chawla & co who have no qualms for singing to the tune of their masters, EVMs without facility for verification can not be trusted. Let us go back to paper ballot (no excuse that it will be a strain and huge task - that has to be accepted due to the size of our population) for transparency, being a true democracy.
Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 12:00 PM
rigging can be checked by putting more police and security but the system where ur valuable votes/ our democracy is dependant , if that system is under doubt, then it shud be changed!! people belief is with ballot paper! software system with any margin of security can not be full proof! it is always prone to virus affected! i have seen with my experience that EVM has stopped working dfor some time ., then polling agent had to delete all earlier votes to get into work!
Re: Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by Vascado on Aug 30, 2010 12:05 PM
If rigging can be checked by putting more police and security, then in the same way EVMs technology too can be upgraded to make them more efficient. I honestly feel there is no chance to return to ballot voting in our Country simply because of the problem of overpopulation. It is neithr practical nor feasible to return to ballot voting.
Re: Re: Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM
European country and western country already checked with higher grade of technology but failed!! no measurement of security measure can give a full proof EVM as it is basically a software! ur vote is like a drop of water in occeon when u r voting in EVM where u cant re-check!
when we r waiting for 5 years, then why not for some more month to enlarge the democratic process and vote counting manually ? afterall, it is related with belief of people! population/ overpopulation is just an excuse!
Re: Re: Re: Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by Vascado on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 PM
Nothing is fool proof and so is ballot voting too. Even in ballot voting, how can you go and check if your vote has been exactly counted ?? In the same way, will you also prescribe banning of computers in Offices and Government Departments just because they are not fool proof and can be hacked ? That will be a ludicrous proposition. What is practical is only upgrading our EVMs to make them more reliable and efficient. Nothing more and nothing less.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 12:21 PM
but if u want a letter, then i will not send u a mail, it needs a signature! thats why by computer, u can only communicate and mail, correspond but the important things r related in official matter, that time u need a print out and sent it after ur signature! without hard copy , nothing and any volume of software correspondene can be a proof of ur claim! u can only refer but can not be established!
Re: EVMs ARE IMPERATIVE AND THE NEED OF THE HOUR
by Against Pseudos on Aug 30, 2010 01:03 PM
Vascado:
Good point. Because we are overpopulated, we must stop the election process itself and let whoever is ruling wherever (whichever state / council or central government) to continue ad infinitum... :)
Re: Real problem
by Abba zan on Aug 30, 2010 11:51 AM
exactly, people shud see that whoever is coming out to speak about EVM, they r not at all affiliated to any party! they r in fact talking for their democratic right and for all! then, why some freedom fighters had fought and gave life?? is it all political affiliation?? cant we do anything for our mother;land to safeguard its democracy?? why everything is being related to CHADDIS?? have chaddis taken the reight to protect patriotism or nationalism?/
Re: Re: Real problem
by Dilmesh Singh on Aug 30, 2010 12:01 PM
agree with u again, if u read history u wud find that gandhi wanted to abolish congress after independence, caz he thought that congress's only mission was independence n it was achieved, but he was killed b4 that.
even he didnt had any other alliance but INDIA. people r too much narrow minded n stereotyped.
all these parties r same, we the people shud negotiate with them on every election, collectively n use our powers, given to us by constitution.
people shud think neutrally, why Hari Prasad not given chance to prove that EVM can be manipulated when election commission has publically challenged him!
EC has not provide Hari a sample of EVM which has bound him to get from other sorces!
so, why cant EC is still not accepting Haris challenge and give him a fair chance to prove his points??
is india a democratic nation?? here, who is or r telling against govt. system or policy or protesting, they r being arrested and put in jail forever! nobody knew their whereabouts after arrest!
then, on whose interest public will cry??
it shud be noted here that many r blamingCHADDISorBJP or opposition supporters that they r raising this EVM issue and crying but just see, all opposition r virtually silent and not talking on this vulnerable issue when it is being discussed and proved! why??
i have a strong doubt that power is shared or opposition top brasses r threatened! something is wrong!!
it is notChaddis but neutrally and individually public had got this doubt! in fact no political parties r supporting them! it is public democratic right for which this matter is rasing!
Re: people shud think neutrally, why Hari Prasad not given chance
by Dilmesh Singh on Aug 30, 2010 11:53 AM
completely agree, there r some people who r aligned to political parties so much that they keep their country in 2nd place, they shud call themselves congressi - or bhajpayee not INDIANS.
its a real shame people dont understand wht democracy is, it gives u the right to change alliances with any party by voting against other next time.
there is no shame in that, on the contrary it means that u can think n improve, but these lifetime alliances to a party r anti-democratic in nature.
