i see. in this forum u fail to respond to some very good points raised by people... shows the fallacy of your struggle.
Some people say India has occupied kashmir, if that be the case, there are some severe logical flaws. How come india doesnt allow people from other states to settle. Occupation is an extreme term... cojoined with exploitation... its just not there... I mean how can u fool the world by shouting.. India has occupied us.
If someting is not there... its not there.. no matter ow much you shout.
Re: all the die hard freedom fans
by Ramesh Sinha on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 PM
What about the concept of freedom and democracy ? If you need to have 5 lakh troops in a piece of land, you ARE forcibly occupying it and just like we got freedom from British, anyone who demands freedom from govt has a right to protest and you cannot shoot like a happy trigger. Bullet take life.
Re: Re: all the die hard freedom fans
by balsu shekar on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM
mr ramesh sinha protesting is different from stone plenting and damaging public and private property . do u think shouting anit indian slogan is right to protest i pity both of u ramesh and sara .god bless u
Re: Re: Re: all the die hard freedom fans
by sara bano on Aug 13, 2010 01:30 PM
public property can be rebuilt..but our 7 year old child beaten to death cannot be brought to life again....mr balsu..you seem to be just materilaistic..i would like to see ur response if ur ssomeone very close will be killed for no offence..wud u shower petals or shit
Re: Re: all the die hard freedom fans
by balsu shekar on Aug 13, 2010 11:52 AM
mr ramesh 5 lak troops r there for protecting the border and those blady terriosts who are coming pakisitan.and more over mr ramesh i feel shame on u first respect ur country where ever ur
Re: Re: Re: all the die hard freedom fans
by sara bano on Aug 13, 2010 01:26 PM
i feel shame on u balsu..respect cannot be DEMANDED..its something which one DESERVES...democracy means government of the people, by the people and for the people..When we have problems with the rulers ... its the ruler that has to leave not the people...coz when people dont want to get ruled by india..it has to be their will then
Re: Re: Re: all the die hard freedom fans
by sara bano on Aug 13, 2010 01:26 PM
i feel shame on u balsu..respect cannot be DEMANDED..its something which one DESERVES...democracy means government of the people, by the people and for the people..When we have problems with the rulers ... its the ruler that has to leave not the people...coz when people dont want to get ruled by india..it has to be their will then
I always say, to understand the kashmir "issue",the very first thing is to understand how kashmiri separatist's brain works.For kashmiri extremists the Indian Democracy and Secular Constitution is a "fitna" and slogan of "azadi" is a tool to achieve "Nizam-e-Sharia" Kashmir violence can be divided into two parts,from 1989 to 2001 and 2001 till now.
Before 2001 the assumption among kashmiri separatist was Kashmir will be liberated by their jihadi brothers and its only a matter of time .The discussion in the drawing rooms in Srinagar used to be like "When Mujahideen can defeat mighty Russian army,what is India army."
In 1998 President Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan in response to the embassy bombings in Africa,the intelligence report suggested: "Most of those killed were Pakistanis and Afghans who were training to fight in India-controlled Kashmir."
After 2001, due to pressure of international community on Pakistani establishment, foreign militants interference has reduced substantially. Now coming to the option available to kashmiri separatist.a) joining Pakistan b) Independence c) greater autonomy. The Option a has lost significance due to the resaon,nobody wants to jump into a sinking ship known as Pakistan.The Option b(independence) can not be achieved without th
Re: Understanding the Kashmir
by samit vats on Aug 10, 2010 06:17 PM
The Option b(independence) can not be achieved without the support of International community. But international community can not afford another Taliban sanctuary in Kashmir like afghanistan.Assesment in many European captials is Kashmir ruled by India with a greater autonomy is the best political solution.
Re: Re: Understanding the Kashmir
by hanif muhammed on Aug 11, 2010 11:52 AM
Very neatly analysed.. But cannot India package autonomy as true azaadi to the boys? Can't the message be direct? Cant the Congress and the BJP which believe in the constitution do this?
Re: Re: Re: Understanding the Kashmir
by Ramesh Sinha on Aug 11, 2010 10:30 PM
What about the concept of freedom and democracy ? If you need to have 5 lakh troops in a piece of land, you ARE forcibly occupying it and just like we got freedom from British, anyone who demands freedom from govt has a right to protest and you cannot shoot like a happy trigger. Bullet take life.
It is not a struggle of Kashmiri but a struggle of Kashmiri muslims. Had it a struggle of Kashmiri you wouldn't had raped the daughters of Kashmiri's pandits & Sikhs on the street of Srinagar. Had it a struggle of Kashmir there wouldn't be thousands of refugee's in Jammu camp with a hope that they will return to their home in Srinagar. It is clearly a struggle of Kashmiri Muslim and you forget that other two parts of your state - Jammu & Laddhak wants to stay with India. So it is a struggle between Kashmiri Muslims and India. If the time demands, I will leave my job, take up a gun and will fight for my country. You Kashmiri have only one option, either be citizen of this country or go to Pakistan.
Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by shafi bhat on Aug 10, 2010 05:39 PM
my dear, can you cite one example where daughters of pandits and sikhs were raped on the streets of Srinagar. by venting unfounded misgivings and biase you are simply driven away by narrow mindedness and ill knowledge of the kASHMIR Affairs.Still if you are intrested to show your patriotism by killing kashmiris, you don't need to do that b,coz your compatriots are already doing the job comfortably.
Re: Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by nirmal singh on Aug 11, 2010 10:46 AM
shafi bhai, listen if we can have heaps of muslims in other parts of india why not in kashmir.. that is the most important historical place of hindus ever since the ancient ages.. muslims came here but it did not belong to them.. but if they are here and now they belong to kashmir so as they belong to india.. if any people are with pakistan they are most welcome to leave our land please and let other hindus, sikhs and muslims live in peace in Kashmir... Please stop supporting pakistan and you will get prosperity on its own and even you don't need to go to govt and throw stones on security forces... what kind of azadi you want, why the faces are covered, cos the people from pakistan (terrorist groups) are mixed with the kashmiri youth so that no one can seen them... come foward without masks and say that we are indians and the trouble will end up immediately and pakistan has to backup and retreat their terrorists... I say the ISI is not intelligence agency it is a disease that is eating India, Bangladesh and Afganistan and many other countries in europe and america and they are sending duplicate indian currency to india through nepal..... Every govt. has corrupt officials it does not mean that you go and support pakistan....
Re: Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by satya s on Aug 11, 2010 11:41 AM
and when did pandits or buddhists want your pro terrorist campaign?
that non muslims do not share the aspirations of the seperatists is clear indciation that the its pro communal, pro islamist and pro terroist. its illegitimate,.
thinking about one community is narrow midned nonsense and deserevs no sympathy
Re: Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by ashish sinha on Aug 10, 2010 08:51 PM
same with you shafi.. have u ever tried to introspect.. what is the freedom all about ? When you already have it... how can it be given again... thats why no solution to kashmir problem..
how can a solution be there, when the problem is already solved
Re: Re: Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by Ramesh Sinha on Aug 11, 2010 10:33 PM
Ashish Sinha kashmiris want self rule and you have to respect that. India is not like a grandfather which can simply rule over people without caring for what they want. What about the concept of freedom and democracy ? If you need to have 5 lakh troops in a piece of land, you ARE forcibly occupying it and just like we got freedom from British, anyone who demands freedom from govt has a right to protest and you cannot shoot like a happy trigger. Bullet take life.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by sara bano on Aug 12, 2010 10:13 AM
ramesh u know even after such a huge number of troops in kashmir..they are asking for more and more troops..but i dont think such revolutions can be curbed by forces...its a 63 year old problem which has to be solved once for all...any one who thinks killings can curb the sentiments of kashmiris are idiots...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Struggle of Kashmiri's - My foot
by sara bano on Aug 12, 2010 10:15 AM
its evident that ONE MAQBOOL BHAT was hanged..and so many MAQBOOL BHATS took birth..if this issue is still denied by such stupid ideas..its gona be a big problem for india..i hope india realises this..
if we analyse kashmir , it is made vexed by nehru,, because being muslim states,people are being told and forwhole their problems -- is just one answer india, if kashmir become separate state , can they remain free, from other people inference,maintain their expenditure below income,independance is very misnomer name, when peopleare immotional , there is not solution,if they come to practically, kashmir have two option , pakistan /india,, pakistan is failure state,,soon or later going to divided into different state,,india is democractic country,, have so far maintain status quo , secular at least, poor like india , there have huge problems, but problems need solution with patience, with shrewdness with scientific temper and wisdom,, religion is good upto someextent but not wholehearted mixing everywhere,,it is nonsence to thing on religion,if kashmir want to separate, then part of muslim dominated will be separate, they can imagine what future is awaiting,, if relgion wouldhave been creterian then bangle desh pakistan wouldhave been rich in world, alas it is not case, i am one of them who want to see kashmir be resolved by peace, the biggest tragedy of kashmir is majority of them want to live with india with geting best aids, facilities and but will be cursing for their personal failure,,, it is immotionalism,,,
Re: this is just psychology of people that matter
by Bhupinder Singh on Aug 10, 2010 02:22 PM
i personally request whole kashmir people enjoy the beauty of kashmir,rich ness of food, culture, love,,,learn computer,,see whole cosmos, read whole literature, capitalism,,philosophy,economics, than they will know life is simple luck on this planet in billion glaxy,, one day it will disappear like score of star,,,life is so short tolive, dnot kill,get killed ,love female, male , nature thanks,
Re: Re: this is just psychology of people that matter
by deeba yousuf munshee on Aug 11, 2010 09:51 PM
Dear bhupinder..i really appreciate ur peaceful thoughts...But i think u dont know that the recent IAS topper was a kashmiri and that too a "kashmiri MUSLIM" dr. shah faisal..but still thanks for ur gud wishes for us
I would have honestly sat among the people of the state ofcourse Indians and honestly aksked then what are their issue which they really want to get addressed , even though the list would be very long one but I assure that putting aside the coalition Dharma all such listed issues would have been addressed. Whatever said is really difficult but not IMPOSSIBLE..... And then finally Kashmir and Kashmiri Indians will be very happy and proud to be Indians.
Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:19 PM
and sara how abt the pakisitan who have occupied the (POK) pak occuipied kashimir wht would u call it then did they occupied llegally
Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by leo seven on Aug 11, 2010 12:24 PM
Note that india is shring our bread with infidels in kashmir. every thingh right from food you eat ,clothes you wear, education you get is highly subsidised out of heavy taxes we pay. if you want AZAADI, first tell your your people to live without subsidised prices. think of frustratrd pakis who can't compete with INDIA but only can inject poison amongs muslims in the name of only one tool they have i.e religion. i Hope better sense and wisdom will prevail amongst Kasmmir's GEN NEXT to sensibly ponder the issues and understand the ill designs of our enemy sitting accross border.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:35 PM
sara ur drinking indian water india is not drinking ur water pls use the words correctly being a good citzen dont use the words which dont suit
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:46 PM
we belong to a valley which has been gifted of plenty of water by allah..our valley supplies water to whole india..rest i dont know the level of ur mind decency in which way u take..thets ur problem not mine
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:26 PM
y did u left if u r a pandit..y didnt sikhs leave..???india is drinking our water..let me aware u
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:11 PM
and u dont have the right to eat food and drink water in india then .
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by Deepak Wadhwana on Aug 10, 2010 02:18 PM
Even India don't want to occupy here,go to hell(POK),you making hole in same plate in you eat it. (TRUE INDIAN)
Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by Vipin Sinha on Aug 10, 2010 06:10 PM
Why can't like good parents, they taech their Children to live & love peace. Why don't they really ask them to get educated and enjoy the world. After all if you remember, the IAS Topper has also come from the same valley. In fact people of Kashmir ( Now Only Muslims are left ) seem to create all the trouble with the help of Militants from across the border.
Re: Re: Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by deeba munshee on Aug 11, 2010 09:59 PM
Dear vipin..IAS topper is a MUSLIM from kahmir..his name is Dr. shah faisal..he has also been a topper in M.B.B.S...we have lots of intellect brains here...But we are being killed by forces....May Allah protect all..ameen
Re: If I were the CM or PM then...
by triveni koul on Aug 11, 2010 02:57 PM
gud lord you are not a CM or PM coz people like who are nothing but a diplomat has made this world nonsense
It’s almost as if he doesn’t know or care, writes Karan Thapar
‘ If 50 people were shot dead by the police on the streets of London what would the British government do?” This sharp question was how Pertie greeted me on my return from Britain last week. I mistook his inquiry for levity but he soon cut me short. “ Would Cameron keep silent, appear unconcerned and unaffected, or would he fall over himself explaining and apologising?” I realised Pertie had an important point to make. Whatever the cause and the necessity, how should an elected government — and, more specifically, an accountable prime minister — respond when security forces in Kashmir end up killing the very people they’re intended to protect. But before I grappled with his question I tried to deflect it. “ The CRPF did not intend to kill,” I began. “ They were forced to shoot to control rampaging crowds. And remember they were themselves under attack. They were being mercilessly pelted with stones.” I think Pertie snorted. At any rate he seemed to dismiss my response with contempt. “ What do you mean they didn’t intend to kill? Do you know that almost every single one of the 50 people killed were shot above the waist? Many were shot in the head. And remember the protestors
Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it with you
by phukan barua on Aug 10, 2010 02:51 PM
Out of 22 active conflicts in the world today, 20 involve Moslems For some bizarre and inexplicable reason, no one else can get along with Moslems, and so we all are driven to make war on and persecute them. By the way, many Moslems – who have an active persecution complex, notwithstanding that they are the ones usually doing the persecuting – firmly believe this so ms sara now you know who are the oppressors.
Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it with you
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:04 PM
do u think the police or army simply shoot the protesters.why the protesters r throwing plenting stones and causing damages to the private and public property .cant they protest peacefully ? how many people protested in the valley when anyone of the citzen killed by the terriosts do u have any answer sara
Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it with yo
by shafat khan on Aug 10, 2010 12:18 PM
this iz a very sory to say if u consider the terriorst which by itz own means terriosing the people wth the crpf personal who r supposed for security.mr.shekar i hope u r gud human being may be u dont knw the actual situation going on in kasmir because of baised media i really tell u most of the people who killed hav nvr hav any stone in their hand and if some hav bt u cant shot bullets in indai wen bjp calls 4 bandh people pelted stones blaze govt vehicles bt still nt a sinle tear gas sheal fired on them hw can u justify bullets be fired on inocent people here .and i feel very sory abt indian civil socities of keep mum on this plz support us this time and register ur protest against this barbaric human inocent teenager killgs
Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it wit
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:30 PM
yeah shafat khan i got u but( i visted srinagar 6 times last time i visted was in april ) when we r cing the videos of people throwning stones and shouting anti indian slogans and protests should not be every day and iam not with bjp r any other party but as a good citzens of india no one has right to shout anti indian slogans we to have bandh protests but we protest against the govt not with anti indian slogans mr shafat khan i would like to ask u one thing do u justify the anti indian slogans
Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it
by shafat khan on Aug 10, 2010 12:48 PM
mr.shekar if u hav heard anti indian slogans here i want to knw wat kind of anti indian slogans they were shoutg.let me tel u one thg we r nt here against indian people we want them to liv happily we r against here govt policies.we want that u sould respect mr.jawaharlal nehru promise to the people of kasmir that u should gve the rite to choose ur destiny we r askg the same promise be fulfilled bt inreturn we r getg bulets by crpf personals wat type of democracy iz dis where u dont hav the rite to register ur genuine protes plz support us this time and build the govt to resolve the issue so that everyone can liv peacefully.hope u people will support
Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:32 PM
dear balsu..then do u justify beating children till death..if say yes..u r not worth to be called a human than..u dont belong to homosapiens..humanity is above all
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:43 PM
yeah sara i dont justify beating till death . but do u justify shouting anti indian slogans if u say yes then ur not worth to be called a human then ... u dont belong to homosaiens ... humanity is above all
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:57 PM
sara iam asking do u justify the anti indian slogans ur diverting the topic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:32 PM
if u justify sara shouting anti indian slogans then iam sorry i cant say anything abt u .
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:33 PM
if u justify bullets in response to stones..and killing children of 7 year age..then i m sorry too. u dont seem to be a hman then
Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it with yo
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:08 PM
5 lac people attend eidgah march peacefully in 2008..5 lacs cant be militants...when a 7 year old child is beaten till death for playing cricket outside his home...what public response do u expect STONES or FLOWERS..or SHIT..
Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it wit
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:13 PM
dear balsu..here army is attacking even funeral processions of yhe killed..u seem to be busy in ur daily life..thats y u r ignorant abt these attrocities
Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:17 PM
yeah sara first tell me the diffrence between the terroists and the army and may i know why kashmiri pandits had thrown away from kashmir and their belongings were looted including their lands and almost everything
Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it wit
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:45 PM
police cant and wont kill 5 lacs people and may i know why the 7 year old kid was beaten to death where were the other kids
Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:51 PM
thats what we we are trying to ask..why he was killed..thanx for asking what we ask...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 01:01 PM
iam asking u but u asking me again u dont have the answer sara. ok iam asking again u said 5 lac people attend eidgah march peacefully in 2008..5 lacs cant be militants... when a 7 year old child is beaten till death for playing cricket outside his home... how the kid has been killed and where were the other kids when this kid was killed reply sara..........
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 02:05 PM
the other kids were watching his killing desperately...and helpless...and all those kids who unfortunately happened to watch that fateful moment will never forget it..and this brutal killing of their play mate wll haunt out kids forever...take cre..May Allah give u right vision and unbiased thoghts..thats Allah i can pray
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 05:31 PM
U SAID OTHER KIDS WERE WATCHING HELPLESS WHY WILL THE POLICE KILL ONE KID WHEN OTHER KIDS R WATCHING.............. AND SARA ONE MORE THING IAM NOT AGAINST U OR ANYOTHER BUT USE THE WORDS WHICH R TRUE THANX MAY GOD HELP U
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by surinder singh on Aug 10, 2010 05:24 PM
wht kids were doing outside the home when there is a disturbance ? well for ur reminder valley is an integral part of India whether we drink or supply water from here no body can stop it. And u have any problem go to pakistan and drink flooded water ad eat bullets . leave India please
Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it wit
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:14 PM
u r speaking abt 2008 how abt the past. please go through the history sara from 1947 and u will accept the truth
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:28 PM
u go thru UN resolution 1948..if u want to know history
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:27 PM
y did u left if u r a pandit..y didnt sikhs leave..???india is drinking our water..let me aware u
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by sara bano on Aug 10, 2010 12:48 PM
we belong to a valley which has been gifted of plenty of water by allah..our valley supplies water to whole india..rest i dont know the level of ur mind decency in which way u take..thets ur problem not mine
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to shar
by balsu shekar on Aug 10, 2010 12:40 PM
iam saying to go through from 1947 to till date and by the way wht u call the pakistan which it have oocupied (POK) pakistan occupied kashmir llegally
Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it with you
by phukan barua on Aug 10, 2010 02:54 PM
Out of 22 active conflicts in the world today, 20 involve Moslems For some bizarre and inexplicable reason, no one else can get along with Moslems, and so we all are driven to make war on and persecute them. By the way, many Moslems – who have an active persecution complex, notwithstanding that they are the ones usually doing the persecuting – firmly believe this so ms sara now you know who are the oppressors.
Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it with yo
by Robin Demello on Aug 10, 2010 03:41 PM
Non Pandits can go and stay in POK....they have full freedom...let us build homes in Kashmir for the displaced pundits.... like Gaza & west bank
Re: Re: Re: Article i saw on greater kahmir..want to share it wit
by anil dan on Aug 11, 2010 12:30 PM
We may fill volumes and volumes with suggestion to resolve Kahmmir problem, but we will always miss out on the fundamental fact that form part of our mentality as nation..
The image and mentality of 'Soft State'...Indians have always been tolerant, they have always taken beating in their stride.. Its there in History.. We were attacked, looted,raped, converted, but we remain silent and submissive.
Have u heard any prominent world forum discussing Tibet" issue and Chinese factor in it.??>. Chinese know where they are and what they want..
We are lost as Nation and will remain lost if do not learn to seek self respect and command..
The problem of Kashmir is not an isolated case.. We wud see many such issues coming up in time to come in various part of our country..
--Democracy is for those countries, likes of US, who can take their own decision irrespective whether it is good or bad for other countries.
--In Indian Democracy is the main problem because India is incapable of taking it sown decision firmly. Instead, pseudo-secularism is its only agenda in the democracy. Indian politicians, specially those belonging UPA are impotent.
--In the name democracy and freedom speech, pests like Gelani can make anti-national comment and still eat and live in peace in India. Why can't they be thrown out of INDIA into other side of Kashmir.
--Any religion whose growth depends on its preachers can NEVER be PERFECT, because these preacher are insecure themselves; which leads them to exploiting naive people and turning them into Terror-Monsters.
--India is not firm in her approach. Pak is a failed state and it is using Kashmir as weapon to make India as one of its own kind.
SOLUTION: We need people like NAREND MODI, who are firm in dealing and know what is best for the integrity of India.
