The reason is very simple & striking.A country can prosper & reach new heights only when it emulates good work culture which we awfully lack.Unfortunately all said & done aloud, Indians have a tendency to shirk from the work which almost every Indian expects to be done by others.Though ours is the biggest democracy,it is an indisciplined democracy wherein only rights are remembered & duties conveniently forgotten.25 years back,China was an ignoble country plagued by its huge population problem & was struggling from hand to mouth while we still were better in terms standard of living & per capita income.How could China rise up to the level of lending even to USA & monopolising in even things needed for day to day life-especially in the field of electronics & computers?Now USA is flooded with all Chinese made products.It is sheerly due to the hard work of its people who were bent upon in ushering into a new era & emerging as the super power in the Asian Continent.Intelligence wise,we are no less than Chinese;in fact our people are the most intelligent in the world itself,but we miserably fail to march ahead as disciplined work force & just believe in building castles in airs with all useless calculations & projections.Some times,it looks as though we do not deserve this democracy ,but some other form to goad us.Though we make a self-deception of ourselves by saying that USA & we have several commonalities,the super power appears showering only superfluous praises on us.
Re: Re: We awfully lack good work culture
by Rajan Shah on Nov 24, 2009 12:16 PM
Thank you A P E. If you don't like it hear you are free to emigrate to somewhere else. Its not like you are being held by your nuts or anything like that
Re: Re: We awfully lack good work culture
by mallaiah anchoori on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 AM
AP!Please mend your language when you express from public forum like this.It is a parody that we suffer from an inferiority complex & undermine our capabilities while the entire outside world is appreciative of the Indian talent.Indian intelligence & proficiency is much sought after every where globally. There is no country in the world which does not avail the services of the Indian intelligentsia.Kindly do not feel that"ghar ki murgi, dal barabar"
China has power (both political and military) now because it has become an economic power gradually over the time. It has not happened in a day or a year. It did not have to take (grab) it forcefully from anyone. When a big country like that becomes economically powerfull the rest fall in place automatically. I agree with Mr. Raman for the rest of the article. Long term strategic thiniking was never a priority in our politicians and therefore we do not have the power that we would like to have. It is of comical value to think that the USA will 'bestow' certain status on India. One gains status when one is eligible for it. I am sure Mr. Raman knows better.
Re: Power is taken?
by Rajan Shah on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM
We can thank the left wing socialist baboons of yesteryear from the congress party for India trailing China
Both are very old civilizations and both have their own strengths and weaknesses. The debate seems to laud China's efforts to become a world power and it well near there. India never wanted to be a world power so it is not there. In becoming a world power China has followed the beaten path to it- become a manufacturing center for the world. India on the other hand did not want to produce everything under the sun to sell it cheap and driving out the local manufacturing. It sought to do what it could do best- computer software and entertainment. China has covertly sought the disintegration of India and bottle its influence in South Asia by fostering hostile neighbours, it may have even succeeded for now but in the long run all these countries will realize that simply being hostile to India is like cutting one's nose to spite one's face. India is a friend, ready to provide succour in disasters, seeking peace and prosperity for all seeking its own prosperity without losing its soul in the process. True we have a lot of ills and over time when our political leaders shed their myopic world view and begin to implement policies and programs for the benefit of all Indians, we will not even have to try to become but would be recognized as important in the world affairs.
Re: India and China
by ratnajayant gudavally on Dec 01, 2009 05:41 PM
Right to a big extent.
But the lacunae of implementing policies and programmes by the so called politicians is a total impossiblity.
These are the very people who want to enjoy the fruits of worlds success without realising that they have to be a part of the process of contributing their own might.....These people are so selfish that they want their house to be built up with the other man's bricks.....Resultant corrupt minds and attitudes deprive them of the cherished drams....They lose the credibility to see their dreams come true.
Politicians or public, both rich and poor want to enjoy the fruits of someones success and expect that fruits of success should be enjoyed even before the tree grows. They eat away the tres even before they grow and give the results.
It is a cannibalistic tendency where impatience rules the roost and in the process they gab even the flower buds before they turn into fruition.
Their Fate misguides them !!!
It seems to come up from the genetic quality and mental standards to work hard and enjoy.
Lazy men sitting under trees opening their mouths sky wards and waiting for he fruits to fall into their mouths. Height of dreams !!!
......................TILL THEY GET ILLUMINATED !!!
Re: India and China
by ratnajayant gudavally on Dec 01, 2009 05:40 PM
Right to a big extent.
But the lacunae of implementing policies and programmes by the so called politicians is a total impossiblity.
These are the very people who want to enjoy the fruits of worlds success without realising that they have to be a part of the process of contributing their own might.....These people are so selfish that they want their house to be built up with the other man's bricks.....Resultant corrupt minds and attitudes deprive them of the cherished drams....They lose the credibility to see their dreams come true.
Politicians or public, both rich and poor want to enjoy the fruits of someones success and expect that fruits of success should be enjoyed even before the tree grows. They eat away the tres even before they grow and give the results.
It is a cannibalistic tendency where impatience rules the roost and in the process they gab even the flower buds before they turn into fruition.
Their Fate misguides them !!!
It seems to come up from the genetic quality and mental standards to work hard and enjoy.
Lazy men sitting under trees opening their mouths sky wards and waiting for he fruits to fall into their mouths. Height of dreams !!!
......................TILL THEY GET ILLUMINATED !!!
the taliban is the twin sister of the militant groups attacking india repeatedly for the last two decades. they have the same ideology, share the same training infrastructure etc. yet when the usa invaded afghanistan, india due to its "political" compulsions (read as votebank politics) did not offer to share the burden with the usa. rather it opted for the safe "developmental assistance" for afghanistan. if india had put boots on the ground in afghanistan helping the usa fight the taliban, the usa would have taken india much more seriously and also have stood by us in so many things that we aspire for - the number one being the security council seat. but our "leaders" are politicians first with their eyes firmly on their votebanks - so india missed a golden opportunity not only to gain favour with the usa but also nice chance to strike against our nemesis (which we can never do in pakistan). such stupidity deserves no reward. so no surprise that we are only equated with a basket case like pakistan. no pain, no gain!
Re: india lacks the cojones
by Nandakumar Chandran on Nov 23, 2009 01:58 PM
the singular difference between a true power and a wannabe is that the former will do what it takes to secure its interests - come what may. china to secure its interests has fought the usa in korea, given nukes/missiles to pakistan and north korea, blocked vetoes against pakistan in the security council. so it has to be taken more seriously than a bunch of idiots who can only constantly spout sound bytes about non-alignment and peace.
Re: Re: india lacks the cojones
by Nandakumar Chandran on Nov 23, 2009 02:01 PM
india's path to great power lies thru pakistan. if india solves the pakistan problem WITHOUT losing out on its own interests then the world will respect it for the power it is then. when it can only wring its hand helplessly and keep running to the usa to help control pakistan, how can you expect the world to treat it as a power?
Re: Re: Re: india lacks the cojones
by Nandakumar Chandran on Nov 23, 2009 02:04 PM
btw let us suppose the roles were reversed. ie china is facing the same troubles with pakistan that we face today. how do you think china would have reacted? how would it have handled pakistan? in that lies the true measure of what india lacks.
India lag behind China largely because of what China did before the reform, not after. Let me tell you some facts: PRC was founded after more than 100 years of wars (opium wars, sino-Japan wars, warlord wars, WWII, civil war). There was nothing left since poor mainland Chinese were robbed by KMT before it fled to Taiwan (all the reserves, most of big factories). But during the 30 years befrore the reform: China built more than 30000km railways, grain production increased from 160 million tons to more than 300 million tons each year, China's literacy rate increased from 20% to 80%, China's steel output increased from almost nothing to 35 million tons each year, Chinese life expandencies increased from 35 years to 65 years, China constructed more than 85% of todays irrigation system for agriculture. At the beginning of the reform, China had no debt at all (internal or external). China also had a complete industry system ( which India lacks even today) with the help from soviet in the first 10 years. China became a country that built Y-10 (some think it was a reverse engineering of Boeing 707), nuclear sub marine, ..... All of the above was the solid foundation of China's economical reform. Also China improved relationships with the western world ( early 1970s - 1989 was the best time for Sino-US relationship). China intented to keep Hong Kong in UK's hands, so that China had a financial center. Do more research on China. Don't dance with media
Our leaders, planners leading journo/writers are really wishful thinkers. They take ganja shots and think that India has become super power. They talk nonsense. One regional leader said he would make a Shanghai out of Mumbai but left it a stinking old city. Actually we are simply copy masters not original thinkers and planners. When a plane was procured for the president of India our news papers declared that we have Airforce ONE. Simply to copy America. If an Indian lady sleeps with some white skinned celebrity abroad our news papers print the news as a national hohour. When aman of Indian origin, 4th or 5th generation becomes some office bearer in his native country our news papers say that an Indian has become this and that. When an American citizen of Indian origin gets a nobel prize we celebrate as if some one in our own university has own a nobel prize. We dont try to father our baby but celebrate when an outsider fathers our baby. This is our mentality. So forget about becoming a super power. We are better a being super CHAMCHAS. I really wish Indira Gandhi was there, atleast she kept our nation's head high.
It is easy to blame democracy of India. But the same democracy has become the strength of countries like Singapore, Japan etc in Asis itself. Everything depends on our politician. Once our politicians start practising politics with morality, even God can not stop India becoming a super power.
Re: Why India Can not be a super power
by sanjay Deswal on Nov 23, 2009 02:04 PM
My dear Manoj, I just want to ask you one thing. Answer truly if you can. Cross your heart and tell us have you ever done any action which was for the benefit of country and if not then how could you blame only politicians. We are also responsible for this. Talk to some china man and ask what they think about their country.
Re: Why India Can not be a super power
by Raj Gupta on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM
You need learn about outside. Singapore belongs to Lee's family today. Japan had no democracy at all until late 1980s, everything in Japan was managed by US. S. Korea was under brutal dictators before 1990s and Taiwan belonged to Chiang's family before 1990. All these areas became democratic only after they had strong economy.
