To create a harmonious and just society the lower caste parties need to come up. Even though BSP is as corrupt as the Congress or the BJP, the empowerement it creates in the minds of the lower caste is good for the nation.
Re: BSP is good for India
by TandooriRasamKadhi rosgula on Nov 11, 2009 05:40 AM
Your thoughts are well taken, but Mayawati is not good for any cast. Spending millions to build her statues to be placed all over in her state, when more then half of the population in tat state is living below the line of poverty?
This is utter nonsese and comparing her with BJP, Congress or whomever is absolute insult to poor people, who can't even earn one time meal for days..
Re: Re: BSP is good for India
by Vascado on Nov 11, 2009 09:27 AM
But the people of UP do not think on your line. They give more votes to her than the parties you have mentioned. So, just cry.
To create a harmonious and just society the lower caste parties need to come up. Even though BSP is as corrupt as the Congress or the BJP, the empowerement it creates in the minds of the lower caste is good for the nation.
Re: BSP is good for India
by TandooriRasamKadhi rosgula on Nov 11, 2009 05:40 AM
Your thoughts are well taken, but Mayawati is not good for any cast. Spending millions to build her statues to be placed all over in her state, when more then half of the population in tat state is living below the line of poverty?
This is utter nonsese and comparing her with BJP, Congress or whomever is absolute insult to poor people, who can't even earn one time meal for days..
People of West bangal have finally woken up to the reality of modern world. They understand that communists ideology sounds very pleasant and emotional but it cant work in this open market economy which whole world is following. Mantra is simple you offer good prodcut/services, and get rewarded. Simple. Where the hell this ideology apply - i will fight for your right. My Govt will make you rich. Really ??? Look at mumbai. is it rich and creating so many jobs because of govt ?? Communist should shut their shops now they have stopped our growth with their unionbaazi for long.
Re: Elections
by dhaval on Nov 11, 2009 01:26 AM
Because this will bring more poverty to people of UP. They have written poverty with their hand on their face!!!!!!!!Elephant doesn't deserve even 1 vote.
The infamous CPM, whose ancestor, undivided CPI supported China officially during 1962 war must be thrown out of India. They have ruined Bengal in 32 years. Thousands of industries has been shut down during their rule. Thousands of innocents has been killed. In these 32 yrs,they actually provoked labours to create unrest and then owner is compelled to close the industry. Then they pressurise the owner to sell the land to CPM leaders at cheap price. Then these CPM has deone promoting in all those lands. While all such industries were shut down in these way, they made a drama of establishing industry in fertile land. If they had any real intention of establishing industry, then they would have done it in disticts like Purulia, Bankura, Midnapore West, certain infertile fraction of Burdwan where agriculture is not enough good. People of Bengal has lost everything to them. Now, people of Bengal has nothing to lose. So many yeras they won with their armed cadres. Now people has stopped fearing them as people has nothing to lose. So, it's the time that these CPM must be thrown out of India.
What a pleasing result from kerala and bengal!!!!i just hope other parties are able to establish base in kerala and bengal so that people will have a choice as far as candidates and parties go.this will ensure that the left,which has dragged these 2 states back in time and stopped any development from taking place,is finally non-existent.
What is this appeasement all about ? Are not the SCs/STs/OBCs Hindus ? Are they not being provided with reservations and other benefits ? If this is so, how does the charge that only minorities are appeased is true ??
Re: THE TOPIC OF APPEASEMENT
by Getafix on Nov 10, 2009 07:08 PM
reading ur other post i conclude that u are here not for a proper debate but to monger hattred. i am sorry that i wasted my time answering ur post.
Re: Re: THE TOPIC OF APPEASEMENT
by Vascado on Nov 10, 2009 07:57 PM
What is hatred in this ? Common do not kid ? My contention that sections amongst the Hindus are also being appeased as does the minorities ? My point is that why does the BJP only target appeasment of minorities selectively to boost its vote bank. If it feels that all citizens are to be treated as equal, then why not start with criticizing the reservations for SCs/STs and OBCs.
Re: THE TOPIC OF APPEASEMENT
by sun vin on Nov 11, 2009 01:03 AM
In india reservations are given to socially oppressed people, are these minorities are socially oppressed or victims of any untouchability?
Re: Re: THE TOPIC OF APPEASEMENT
by Vascado on Nov 11, 2009 09:21 AM
According to the Constitution, it just talks about reservation to the socially backward sections of the populace and not any religion as such. This can be interpreted to mean many things.
There are any number of exceptions where a Hindu even marries a Muslim or Christian or vice versa. But in general, a North Indian looks upon only in disdain at a South Indian. You know what they call those from South India, in a cheap term as "Madrasi" by the North Indians.
Re: To Rationalist
by Rationalist on Nov 10, 2009 06:56 PM
I agree. But the same NorthIndia is looked with same disdain when he goest to America or Australia. We need to ignore the things that do'nt matter.
Re: Re: To Rationalist
by Vascado on Nov 10, 2009 06:58 PM
Why you go to America and Australia. You were speaking about the so-called Hindu or Indian culture within India. The fact is, it is not homogenous and people have different cultures and customs even within South India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To Rationalist
by Rajeev Rastogi on Nov 11, 2009 06:56 AM
the common factor is our respect for the country and treating citizens with respect, provide freedom and democacy. We may not be perfect but we have these values and we are trying.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To Rationalist
by Sam Nath on Nov 11, 2009 01:55 AM
Vascado, The common factor is being Hindu!!! Is it satisfying? Now you go back to your beloved country PAK.
The topic was about appeasement of minorities. My point was that are the SCs/STs/OBCs not provided reservations and other benefits. Are they not Hindus ? They are also appeased according to the BJP and RSS terminology. is it not ??
Re: To Getafix
by Rationalist on Nov 10, 2009 06:51 PM
May be. But they were given reservations to compensate for their suppression by the upper castes.
Re: Re: To Getafix
by Vascado on Nov 10, 2009 06:55 PM
In the same way, the minorities too are being extended reservation since they too should get benefits in a majority dominated society and thereby play a role. Even in Pakistan, seats in Parliament have been reserved for minorities.
Re: Re: Re: To Getafix
by Rationalist on Nov 10, 2009 06:58 PM
For what?Suppressing majority for 800 years till Britishes came. They treated majority as second class citizens in their own country.
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Getafix
by Vascado on Nov 11, 2009 09:23 AM
What has the Moghuls got to do with the people living here ? They were Mongolians and not Indians. You are pretty confused ?
Re: To Getafix
by Samir Moosa on Nov 10, 2009 06:57 PM
There in lies a fault my dear friend. The term "minority" is important here. SCs, STs & OBCs are actually 65% of India's population. If the RSS / BJP / VHP try to hinder reservations for these people, they would be wiped out of India's map within seconds. The policy that RSS follows since 1921 is that it wants the SCs, STs & OBCs to feel that they are part of Hindu mainstream which they were not for the past 5000 years. This works in the benefit of the Brahmin class now, as they get more hands almost free of cost. But thanks to people like Maya, Laloo, Jaya, Karunanidhi, et al, those people would never be streamlined into the Hindu faith. This is actually the Congress' policy to let these smaller parties develop so that they will always divide the vote, to ensure the Congress always remains in power.
Re: To Getafix
by Getafix on Nov 10, 2009 06:55 PM
reservation is a fullish concept. it has never worked or will work. i dont think tere is any partyy in india who addreses this issue clearly. thats becoz no party in india talks about policies. they only talk about the shortcomings of the other parties. but it is true that there is too much appeasement of minorities. how else can u guys go on connverting people illlegaly without anyone saying anything. the chuurch has never beeen holy and has fought, killled and tried to enhance its riches which includes convversion from other faith. and so it cannot be tolerated by the majority of thiss country.
Re: Re: To Getafix
by Vascado on Nov 10, 2009 07:00 PM
If you totally oppose reservations in the name of equality, then there is some strength in your stand. But you just oppose reservations for certain sections, while entertaining the rest, then it smells hypocrisy.
Re: Re: Re: To Getafix
by Getafix on Nov 10, 2009 07:01 PM
if u read my comment u will notice that i feel strongly against reservation. i hope that answers u.
Re: Re: Re: To Getafix
by Getafix on Nov 10, 2009 07:04 PM
and i add that i also abhor people who ask for reservations by citing others. this only deepens the disease.
Re: Re: To Getafix
by Getafix on Nov 10, 2009 07:00 PM
;) actually i am sure this is leading to a unending debate with no consequence. cos at the end of the day neither u nor i will have any say. our votes are lost once we cast them.
