We must congratulate IAF for new AWACS and inspire them to be the best in world. We all must wnderstand that with so many complexities in our country like INDIA things take some time to shape up things.
USA'S F-16 AND F-18 ARE MUCH ADVANCED THAN SUKHOI , IT IS BECOZ A VERY HANDSOME GRAFT PAID TO INDIAN DEFENCE PURCHASE PROCUREMENT DEPT. THAT IS WHY WE SEE THIS OUTDATED RUSSIAN VERSION OF SUKHOI
Re: No
by swapnadip on Jun 07, 2009 09:29 PM
'OUTDATED'? The su-30 MKI is an improved version of su-30 which Russia calls it Sukhoi-35 in their country.
Rather, F-16 is 25 yrs old and f-18 is 15 yrs old.
Su-30 MKI, Su-35, 37 are compared with f22, f-35 instead of 'OUTDATED' f-16, f-18.
When you dipheads can show-off the stuff you produce yourselves, then you can toot your own horn with feel-good crap like this. Tiny Israel is now one of the largest weapons manufacturer-exporter in the world- they now invent and produce all manner of hi-tech, state-of-the-art stuff- it's tiny Israel which just delivered India's first AWAC. Yep, despite of all the boast of her 'millions of scientist' babus, India is yet to produce anything of any significance, despite the tens of billions $US wasted over the past 50-odd years- India is still having to spend even more additional tens of billions to import 99% of her military needs- the money wasted on her useless scientist babus could have been better spent on the desperate needs of the poverty-stricken masses- schools, clinics, housing, electricity, water, roads...etc?
Re: other peoples flying machines
by Abhra Chattopadhyay on Jun 07, 2009 12:59 AM
Awesome...bang on target...completely agree wid u mister...d ISRO,DRDO,HAL gets around billions of rupees spent per year,nd dis is what dey come up wid....some crappy lame stuff at d end of d year,wid most of its parts copied from Germany/UK/US/Russia/France etc.D legendary Arjun(which resembles d British Challenger 2 MBT,nd its German engines nd lots of many other parts from oder countries) tank has'nt been delivered yet...by d time it gets delivered,i suppose it will b outdated.Nd most important of all,wen will d fighters,tanks etc b TRULY INDIAN nd nt copied from some oder country??dere r brains in our country no doubt.dese Scientists keep bragging its INDIGENOUSLY DEVELOPED,ND YET WE FIND DAT D NEARLY ALL D PARTS R IMPORTED.ITS JUST AS GOOD AS MAKING HINDI FILMS BY COPYING FROM SOME 2-3 GOOD HOLLYWOOD MOVIES.
Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by udal k on Jun 07, 2009 01:19 AM
let me tell you one thing here folks... when me and my friend were undergraduates we applied for DRDO cleared the exam, and went to interview as well. at the interview there was this separate queues for gen and resv category candidates. the interviewers were rude except for one guy. none of us made it through. believe me it was not a place meant to be.. even while we were disappointed, my friend did his ms and now works for a research lab and me in a semiconductor field both for non indian companies. dont start abusing me now.. i was just saying that our country's young minds need a place to feel good and fulfill there dreams for themselves and their country, which i dont think there exists even a single instituition in our country which promises that....
Re: Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by ashutosh vishvakarama on Jun 07, 2009 10:28 AM
1st, let me console u for not being able to qualify the interview. but same time i ask u 1 question ..did u try again for the exam?.i GUESS NO..bECAUSE U FAILED IN THE INTERVIEW .and to hide it or finding hard to digest, u are undermining the govt acts.i.e.resrvations.u know i think had u been able to qualify the interview i suppose u wud not hav left teh DRDO in a month. bocoz its very difficult to work in defence secort with traditional/conservative govt rules and with a salary equal to Data entry operator of a MNC.u know working for contry u hav to hav very strong charachter,determination, srtuggler, hard worker and highly self motivated bcoz thr is no insentive for ur significant achievements. If u r doing MS form any crap foreign university u r not doing any favour yo this contry ..even if u r not working for this contry ..it doesnt means that this contry will stop breathing. this contry is not being run by u king of failure,selfish and highly demotivated persons.this contry needs persons having not a great lust 4 money and persons who take service as priority over career. their are several persons who have left the MS/PHD cources for service in DRDO.interview is not just a verbal ommmunications ..they also assess ur suitability and intent.OK. Dont expect that u wud be selected just by appearing bcoz u r sm1 sm1.We r having wonderful institution..but how many students are joining these deptts..they all are looking for a job of slavery in sm MNC.hope u r ok by now
Re: Re: Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by Vivekanand Chincholimath on Jun 07, 2009 11:26 AM
What u said is fine.. but where is the result of all this. now we are reading an artical which says India has this and that which is all imported. to import we donot need ISRO, DRDO etc. Isreal being such a small country can do such wonders then why are we not able to do.. the durty politics is not allowing us to do that. hope u r completely OK now
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by ashutosh vishvakarama on Jun 07, 2009 12:29 PM
Dear vivekanand..I again emphasize on same thing..Indian policymakers r easily convinced (under certain pressure from forces) to purchase stores at 10 times money than actual cost rather than investing even half d actual amount in r&d. u know. imports fetch money and foreign tours..more imports more such opportunities otherwise foreign tour is rare in govt services (except u r IFS).size of Israel may not matter for their strength till they are getting 10 times cost for their itmes.Try to understsnd..we r a big nation.40% below povery and 40% totally uneducated..95% women unemplyed/under-utilized.Area of a country does not indicates prosperity.GDP is grwoing at 6%.But Its GDP per capity that is in lowest order.Israel is a small nation but self reliant in defence..only bcoz they r following buy-nd make principle.getting revenues by exporting.Indian Deptt can also generate revenue by exporting their developed items..Israel/US/UK Llove to kill human/and humanity .just for testing their equipments smday they will attach afganistan..smday iraq.or iran..can a nation like rs can do this..we attack only to defend rself.U know. Major DRAWBACK IS THAT WE DONT HAV COURAGE TO INVEST IN R&D. R&D of any country takes time& huge money and attention to mature.Result will come if we start investing in R&D/education rather than pouring money outside country for purchase. Then, believe me or not, they wud be giving us 10 times price of actual cost to our country.OVER
Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by ashutosh vishvakarama on Jun 07, 2009 09:58 AM
hey dear.plz calm dowm. and never express ur opinion just reading the movie reviews and watching clips.1st try to watch full movie without any biasness. tel me tell u 1 thing. Fancy govt has made several Tech deptt but the rules as same as for municipality and postal deptt. and why do any one criticises only DRDO nd HAL whn they hav not got any special privilage over CPWD,Railways and others..have u ever given a thought for commenting on their performance..have u ever given a thought what is going on in police deptt, how do u see the traffic on roads, dirty and crowdy railways and delays in infrastructure projects and failure in PDS and other cenrtral govt plans, medical, social and educational sectors'all are under central govt. now u come to the point and now u comment.whut wud u say now?/do u know in such deptts to purchase 1 component of Rs100, even officer (i.e grp A gztd)is not entitled to sanction it..he has to approach an officer at least 4 ranks above him..give a thought over it. and to purchase anby item (part of development)above 1,00,000 ur govt procedure take min 6 months contrary to pvt companies few hrs orhardy a day. u talk aboiut israel and uk/france/germany..hav u ever given athought haw many yrs it has takenthem to reach at this performance level...their govt plans are supported by able pvt sectors whs as in our contry all pvt sec compnies are just looking for profit..they never wish to take any risk in defence proj. evencomplike TATA,l&t hesitate.ok
Re: other peoples flying machines
by sunil kumar on Jun 07, 2009 02:17 AM
It is all economics. It makes sense for India to buy rather than develop. And moreover, India is extremely capable of manufacturing plane on its own, but it requires time and we also have to take care of our hostile neighbours. Manufacturing weapon systems is not easy and each program involves lot of companies/countries. Eg Lockheed martin (US), Northrup Grumman (US) and BAE (UK) collaborate for Joint Strike Force and Eurofighter program by 5 european nations. Please have some knowledge before taking out your gun to shoot at India.
Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by philip xavier on Jun 07, 2009 10:36 AM
Mr. Sunil,
I completly disagree with you. The economics you did mention doesnt work.
Some costs in the world cannot be recovered in this generation, but the generation next will reap the fruits.
Why cant we individaully start developing a R&D every year. There need not be a big bunch of money getting in to the programm, just a minimal, like billion rupees a year for the next 15 years. I am sure at the 15th year we will get the fruit of what we sowed. Our defence expenditure is closed to 1/5th of our GDP, even if we can decrease it to 1/4th and while we conserve our foreign reserve it will be good for our country.
Re: Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by sunil kumar on Jun 08, 2009 01:22 AM
I hope that you are right. But with Defense still in public sector, this might not happen. Economics I talked about might work as India entered this arena little late. And if defense sector opens up we can see progress that you talked about.
Re: Re: Re: other peoples flying machines
by Vivekanand Chincholimath on Jun 07, 2009 11:34 AM
appriciate your view.. small correction - decrease it to 1/6 not 1/4.
I wish rediff gives statistics on what Pakisthan Has , China Has and what India has in WEAPONS ! WHO is superior in having the best weapons ! I feel China first ! May be pakisthan next !! and India Last ! But I desire to see statistics ! God Bless India.
Re: I wish some one GIVES the statistics of Weapons !
by sunil kumar on Jun 07, 2009 02:21 AM
China, India, Pak Indian military is conventionally stronger than Paki. That's why Pak resort to terrorism in India
Isreal is a tiny nation with determination has done wonders in all fonts. They defended themselves in best ways in the wars earlier. I WISH INDIAN MILITARY IS at its BEST.
IAF under the gr8 60 years rule of CONGRESSSH ( JAWAHAR / INDIAR / RAJEEV / and now SOANIA RAHULK PRIYANKA their grand children ) have procured many defaulted Russian French Aricrafts ....
thats why every year around 20-30 Aircrafts if IAF crash during various study excersice all over India....Many Young Pilots have lost their lives in VArious AIR Crashes .....
Thats alll because Corruption is the route causeee....Thansk to CONGRESSHHHH
Mirage : French - circa 80s Migs : Russian - Circa 1980s Sukoi : Russian - Circa 1980s Jaguars and Sea harriers : British - Circa 1980
The first three form major stike force ( With Migs crashing every other week in training) that belonged to a bygone era and what more ?even some African countries have them.
And Tejas ( Our own ) is toddler.
Can rediff do us some favor and stop this comical cinematic presentations which read like a video game for pre-adoloscent morons ( Or rediff itself has a bunch of them) ?
Re: Re: Lets see..
by Vira on Jun 06, 2009 10:28 PM
You are arguing like a moron. There is a stark difference between an assault rifle which is used in hand-to-hand combat and an airborne war machine which decides a win. Generally do not post comments without using brains if you have any. And FYI, while they invented raptors and Euro fighters during the last 2 decades which are atleast three generations ahead of Migs and Mirages, the AK47 is still an efficient combat weapon which is used among all the armed forces around the world.
Re: Lets see..
by RajenNair on Jun 08, 2009 12:21 PM
You are bang on about your dates. But boss you have forgotten they there is something called upgrading of technology!
IAF has undertaken upgrade programmes for almost all of the above which incluedes, upgrading avionics system, Inertial Navigation and Global Positioning System, Laser sensers etc. Also it has program for systematic phase out of such aircrafts like MIG's which have had maintanence probelms. We have indigenuously built technology which has upgraded aircrafts like Sukoi which even Russia does not have!
Tejas maybe a toddler, but at least there is some effort to build something indigenously than so many our neighours who just buy technoloyg!
Also we have probably half the budgets for defence than so many developed nations in that I think our defence forces are doing a commendable job!
Learn to appreciate instead of always being cricitcal of everything thats to do with this country!
