Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:32 PM
This should be beyond religion, because learned people will say that 'hindu' the word originated to address all indians, as the civilisation thrived around the river indus. Our country and our name were based on this river and its civilisation. And today, most of that river flows through pakisthan, and all our heritage places of harrapa are in pak being slowly destroyed.
This would happen to every place, kashmir, pak, noth east and slowly everything will go away and we will not have a place to live, we need to roam around like gypsies.
Do you seriously want this to happen? our fight is not against the muslims or the christians, It is against the people what have the attitude of "WHO CARES?" These indian hindus are more dangerous, they are just bothered about themselves and one day we will all be doomed because of this attitude.. Yeah our families and relatives are very important, at the same time, dedicate some time to our country and to our community.
Re: Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:48 PM
Can you elaborate more on this, It is difficult for me to understand the framing of your sentence.
Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:43 PM
Well,
We should not blame, the muslims and christians. They are not to be blamed absolutely. It is us who are to be blamed. They were taught like that right since their childhood, so they tend to behave like that.
"It is only the hindus, who say I accept all religion. tell one muslim or a christian to say that". No one will say, because they are taught like that, now who is at fault? definitively not them it is us, who teach our kids these stupid tolerant methods. Never in our life we retaliate... I guess our backbone has been bent over the years..
Why should we live like this? Instead of allowing these things to happen we can all die. If we are not fight back.. it is better to die, than to serve them..
we work hard, and christians and muslims enjoy the benefit. we pay our taxes and these people are benefited out of it. and we have no qualms about it. what kind of creatures are we. do we even have a mind?
Re: Re: Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:50 PM
Yeah, I have seen that pdf file, which gives every stats about our temple funds being used to develop churches. YSR reddy's son even demolished a temple by himself, just imagine what would happen to any hindu if he destroys a church??
Re: Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:47 PM
It is easier said than done.. If 20% minorities of christians and muslims can rule our country, then why not us? if they can systematically demolish us, why not we retaliate them. For doing what you said, we need unity. We should get over the casteism, that is the biggest evil which brought us doom.
I honor your views, we need to do everythign that you said, for doing that we need to come together
Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:37 PM
These muslims are saying that they become terrorists because, they were marginalised. Then are we not marginalised in muslim majority states? or even states where muslim population is high? hindu killing was definitely bigger than the holacaust. we were killed in lakhs. Today the christian missionaries are stealing our other arts as well, our yoga and bharatanatyam.. in a kerla church, jesus sits in padmasana (they call hindus pagans, but they want our art). In vatican, there was a bharatanatyam show of jesus birth. they call it as jesus natya. Why are we still idle? don't we have some self esteem or moral courage?
Re: Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:45 PM
We have survived, and we will survive.. great uprisings have always been there, and I can sense one coming now.. when ever hinduism got hurt badly it has rebounded with great might, and we ill rebound now too.. we just want all like minded people together
Re: We need to have a beginining.
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Oct 09, 2008 04:55 PM
Indian Media,
Guys this is the biggest weapon the christian missionaries have in their hand. Post Godhra was blown, what happened to godhra? churches being attacked was blown out of proportion, what happened to the killing of the sadhu? I m from tamil nadu, and in a school in triunelveli a child who was wearing thilak while going to class was beaten badly by his teacher and the school comes without saying is a christian school, and no media covered this? why? The media is completely biased towards the christian missionaries.
Sharma ki shahadat ko hindu muslim banna chaha, are Advani ji itne Muslim galat tarike se mare jate hai kabhi unke yahan bhi chale jate sirf hinduon ke yaya hi kyon phir aapPM kaise banoge ager aap pure desh ke neta nahi aur sirf eddharm ka neta India ka PM banne ka khawab kaise dekh sakta hai.Advani/Modi hindoostani dhanda kar khata hai daud ko saa milegi to advani aur Modi/togadiya ko bhi barabar saja milegi aur hindu kabhi gaddaron ka aur anyayion ka saath nahi dega.Der hai andher nahi.
Re: Article 370 is anti secular...
by Jondlar on Oct 09, 2008 04:33 PM
And how exactly would you give it back to them? I request you not to do anything stupid. After all you dont bite a dog, who bites you.
In the intrest of a meaning full discussion I would like to appeal again.
1. Hindus. Please stop slandering Islam or Christianity and vice versa. This does not help in finding solutions to important problems. If you have issues with other community can't we discuss it respectfully. 2. Stop name calling of important leaders like Advani and Sonia Gandhi. Because name calling kills a rational debate. Advani is an opposition leader and could become PM tommorow. As far as I can understan he is a rational and moderate person but if you have information and facts which prove otherwise please present them so that we can give a constructive criticism.
Re: Discussion
by dayzone on Oct 09, 2008 04:18 PM
Where were you when Kashmir was burning. You speak secularism in India, why dont you speak the same in Kashmir.
We may not be the BJP supporters but we need to see the points raised by LK Advani. History will not forgive us if we allow things to fester.If there is terrorism in this country then one must speak out and not appease. Every time the UPA goverment is cornered on terrorism they blame NDA for Kandahar hijack and Parliament attack.For example if we had done this to Pakistan they would have nuked us besides locking people like Arundhati Roy ( shopper for causes!) in prison and thrown the keys in the Arabian sea. We have taken too much in the last 3 decades and we need to respond to both our internal and external enemies ruthlessly. The NDA and its allies were inexperienced no doubt but they had the guts to take on the enemies of this country head on. They failed on some fronts last time but they would be a better lot this time.The politics of appeasement will take us nowhere. MInrities should understand this.Every Indian knows that some minorities are anti-national and there should be guts among politicians to say so and punish.Fear is not going to take us forward.Shivraj Patil looks mortally scared to do anything.UPA govenement is falling at the feet of terrorists.Arjun Singh master manipulator knows how to butter the toast whether its the Dynasty or the Vote banks but the young Indians who constitute the voters have decided to throw these people out.Just watch this space in Election 2009.
Re: HAVE A VISION FOR THE FUTURE
by James Dias on Oct 09, 2008 04:24 PM
Pls tell me whether the Nuek deal is good for our country or not. If you are a BJP supporter you will say No. If you are a Congress supporter you will say Yes.
Re: HAVE A VISION FOR THE FUTURE
by alagu achari on Oct 09, 2008 04:48 PM
NDA have did good in nuclear energy programs. All these are initiated long back. Manmohan is reaping-thats it. Remember the pokhran tests. India would have been independent in Civil nuclear programme if at all NDA is in rule. Thorium based reactor is another option to research on. Congress is dumping Hindus and appealing to terrorist muslims.
Re: HAVE A VISION FOR THE FUTURE
by JGN on Oct 09, 2008 04:48 PM
Nuclear deal is not good for the Country. I am a supporter of Marxist Communist Party. Any more doubt?
Re: HAVE A VISION FOR THE FUTURE
by JGN on Oct 09, 2008 05:14 PM
Fucularism Killer, communists are not as bad as you think. We believe in Class Struggle rather than Caste (or religion) struggle. There are only two classes - rich and poor.
Pls Mr. Advani can you reply to me whether this deal with France, USA etc is beneficial for India if yes or no? If yes as an Indian you should have supported this deal. As it was done by the ruling party, you being in the opposition had to oppose, however it may be beneficial to India and its people. And please not that communalism is the root which gives birth to terrorism. As it was done in Gujarat where innocent people where killed and raped, the young people are misguided and brain washed by ISI etc, by showing repeatedly those sceens and also the case of Babri Masjid. As an Indian I am very proud of India. It is my mother land. Jai Hind.
Re: Nuke Deal
by Rahul on Oct 09, 2008 04:21 PM
I pity you frog in a well! Babri, Gujarat riots, 2 events and we would be having more than 100 blasts killing thousands,...forget it frog no use...
Re: Nuke Deal
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 04:29 PM
James,
I like you approach to debate, I wish everyone would follow your example.
1. Nuke Deal. if we go for Nuke dea as it is then in future we may have electricity but will be completely dependent on american nuclear spare parts and technology completely. If at that time we decide to oppose America on anything like invasion of Iran for example. America will just choke us on spare parts or fuel. This will immediately put the whole country into crisis. We will have no option but to follow american dictates. Why do you think US was so interested in giving us the technology.
2. although I condemn riots of all kinds don't be so simplistic to believe that terrorism is caused by communalism. UK, Spain and US did not have any anti-muslim riots so why terrorism there. Why terrorism in pakistan, afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, turkey. Terrorists don't care about innocent people muslim or Hindu. They have an ideology and want to implement it by terror
Re: Nuke Deal
by alagu achari on Oct 09, 2008 04:54 PM
All you converts will talk supporting your religion and not the Country. Muslim hypocrites support terrorism. Security is under siege, Desert land people want to Islamize India and US wants to christianize India. So they have sown some initial seeds, by converting people to different religion. If i am offensive to religion, then you have to answer: why did hindu population of pakistan decline from 10 % to less than 1 % after independence..
why did hindu population of bangladesh decline from 30 % to less than 10 % in tha last 30 years ,,
why did hindu population of Kashmir decline from 10 % to COMPLETE ZERO % in tha last 10 years ,,
How has the muslim population of india increased from 10 % to over 15% since independence ?
Re: Nuke Deal
by dayzone on Oct 09, 2008 04:15 PM
Keep your thoughts with your. Terrorists has no reason/logic. Muslim terrorism is the cause for the VHP existance. Hindus who are raped and murdered in Kashmir turned that way.
Re: Nuke Deal
by Ganesh on Oct 09, 2008 05:13 PM
The logic that terrorism has resulted from Babri masjid demolition and Gujarat riots is a carnard spread by the pseudosecularists. If young muslims can be brain washed by images of Babri masjid and gurarat riots what about the Hindu youth who see the Muslim terrorists killing innocent people. These visuals are shown again and again in TV. Has this resulted in even a tiny fraction of Hindus taking up to terrorism. No because the Hindu's feel that India is their country but a section of Muslims dont. The real reason why the terrorists attack is because they can count on the support of ministers like Lalu and Paswan to act on their behalf. If they are killed, they have Amar Singh to make them a martyr. This is what gives them the courage to raise Pakistani flag in Kashmir and get away with it.
