There are still 77 lakhs Anglo-Christians are left in India which are actually French/British Rulers They are still using British Policy of divide and rule in India
Re: Wat is the contribution of Anglo Christianns in1947 Independence?
by ashish tiwari on Oct 09, 2008 02:58 PM
And the most dangerous is Sonia and her children
Re: Wat is the contribution of Anglo Christianns in1947 Independence?
by Kool bhushan on Oct 09, 2008 04:18 PM
Yes you are speaking very true .. i suports your view
Re: >>> TRUE SECULAR
by dheeraj on Oct 09, 2008 02:35 PM
Is treating muslims as votebanks that is as commodoties which can be encashed during elections or transfered to allies not against God?
Re: >>> TRUE SECULAR
by ashish tiwari on Oct 09, 2008 03:06 PM
I disagree...unfortunately BJP is not appeasing Hindus..and trying to be a secular party that is the reason its not able to win elections.I hope BJP starts appeasing the Hindus. BJP should add to its menifesto 80 pc reservations for Hindus in jobs and educational institutes. Scholarships to all majority community students. Removal of Haj subsidy and start giving Amarnath yatra subsidy. Restart agitation for Ram and Krishna temples. Demand that all Hindus converted by force or bribes..should be reconverted. All money coming from abroad for missonaries be stopped. .Then it will surely win elections and eagle americans wishes will be fulfilled.
Re: >>> TRUE SECULAR
by dheeraj on Oct 09, 2008 02:53 PM
have u heard of the term caste ? Hindus are hopelessly divided on caste lines . And in Hidi hearland (UP bihar) acconting for 120 seats and the heart of Indian election 30 percent is all that is neded to win elections and minority has those numbers seen in the context of caste alliances like MY combine
Re: >>> TRUE SECULAR
by subbu on Oct 09, 2008 03:39 PM
Donot talk as if caste system is peculiar to India-it exists every where in the world but under a different name.In Nigeria there are 360 communities who are more closely bound than Indian caste!Any country is a caste by itself because people from other countries are discriminated by laws!Any state is again another form of caste-if you are from AP and come to Tamilnadu you will have to shell out nore money to study in colleges!Also talking of language is also a form of castism-everybody is proud of their own language and discriminate against others!Say in Saudi Arabia after the death of the King only his prince can become King-what does this show-they are a different caste thowh not called as Shatriyas!Your christianity and islam are the worst of all caste systems because it condsider others as infidels,gentile,Kafirs and kill them if given the chance! Caste is an extension of relationship and people of same blood try to protect their interests in the society and always there will be some affected and exploited and they will make hue and cry and the system will go onlike that.Also note people are born with different abilities and physical traits which gives them some advantage and there is nothing wrong in making use of them for their personal development.Some are tall and some short-short people are denied entry in army!Some are brown,yellow where as some are balck in color by birth-which bride you will choose given the choice my friend?Wil continue later!
Re: Ban Islam and Christianity
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 02:55 PM
Your suggestion is not just irrational but also provocative.
It is irrational because most muslims and christians do not agree with their assessment of their religion. Please do not make generalized statements like that.
Do you have a suggestion which can be acceptable to all and which sounds fair to all and is helpful to all.
Re: NDTV is the biggest anti-hindu channel.
by Kool bhushan on Oct 09, 2008 04:49 PM
Hey dude ..we dont have any problems with chritians ...Hindus facing so much problems from islamic terrism and convresions that cant say in words hindus unable to stop these conversions .... However I just want a simple answer from you and your community that Why you people dont to try convert islamic people ???? i thing you people facing same problem abroad for eg. turky,Egypt,lebnan even in america..... My personal view about these that if chrians and Hindus get together they can change situation ..
Re: We have a lot of secular politians who thinks muslims are our peaceful brothers ,SPECIALLY TO GET THIER VOTES ..
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 03:07 PM
harping on past and provoking muslims is not going to help any one.
Look towards the future and suggest a practical approach which is acceptable to everyone.
Re: We have a lot of secular politians who thinks muslims are our peaceful brothers ,SPECIALLY TO GET THIER VOTES ..
by Kool bhushan on Oct 09, 2008 05:04 PM
You really have strait view ...i support your view ..we are standing on same theresold where iran was.. when parsis were persecuted .....we can not change situation by one hand ...we need another one may chrians or parsis or budhist ..
Re: Dalal Singh said Jamia Nagar Encounter is fake to get muslim votes
by dheeraj on Oct 09, 2008 02:34 PM
Is treating muslims as votebanks that is as commodoties which can be encashed during elections or transfered to allies not against God?
I do not care what media says because I have found many instances of them pushing their communist ideology and reporting in a biased way.
I take the above article on its face value. To me this article is very rational and sounds very reasonable.
Now my dear Muslim Indian brothers. I want to know what you think of the article. Please stop name calling Hindu organizations or leaders as it spoils the atmosphere for a fair discussion.
Please give constructive criticism and discuss your disagreements so that we common Indians can understand and try to solve your problems?
Does this sound reasonable to every one.
Special request: Pseudos kindly do not incite muslims against hindus here. We are trying to discuss rationally
Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by Sameer on Oct 09, 2008 02:27 PM
Dear True Secular, You are queit stressing on "fair discussion" and being rational, while you are actually not being one. Why does a fact spoils the atmosphere for discussion. You only want to listen what you want to, if somebody try to call your attention for a fact, which unfortunately involves Hindu Fundamentalist org, you call it name calling and do not want to listen to it. My dear friend, I would love to a fair and rational discussion, if you can have the same!
Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 02:40 PM
Dear Sameer
I am opposing name calling because it incites people and reflects bias.
I am not against constructive criticism. Criticize any individual or organization on its actions. Give that individual and the organization a chance to explain their stand and hold them accountable to what they do and say.
If we keep name calling people and organizations we will never be able to discuss in a civilized way. look at the way people are behaving on this forum and look at the way people behave in west. They may have differences but they debate it rationally and that is the reason people there do not riot but act within the law.
Also kindly let me know when I opposed any one saying facts against Hindu fundamentalist organization. I encourage you to state the facts without name-calling as it amounts to prejudice and discourages fair discussion.
Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by dheeraj on Oct 09, 2008 02:40 PM
Hindu fundamentalists do exist but if u mapp in percentage tems considering that there are 5 times as many Hindus as Muslims in India and that no :cases found out against Hindu organisations is only fifth of that against muslim groups . Whenever such a discussion start u have only one nagpur or one lucknow to point out to .
Re: Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 02:48 PM
I am sure most of the common Indians agree that as Indians of this great country with great culture we oppose all fundamentalists.
Let us the moderate and educated Indians discuss how we can take our country forward. Let us ignore the past for a second and look towards the challenges for future.
Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by dheeraj on Oct 09, 2008 02:58 PM
secularism will be biggest challenge in this century just as azadi was in the last century . What we need is a visionary Leader a leader with courage and will to transform India
Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 03:03 PM
Agree Dheeraj. We need a leader with courage.
Problem is not secularism, it can never be. The problem is the way secularism is practiced in our country. Vote bank politics and appeasing of fundamentalists of any religion is not secularism
Similarly evangelism is against the concept of secularism.
Re: Re: I am not a BJP/RSS activist
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 02:45 PM
Mani mete... Please be respectful if you want a good discussion. If you are here just to vent your hate and frustration that you are not helping anyone or anything. You are doing a disservice to your country.
Common brother we need to build bridges and not burn them as expected by anti-national forces and terrorists.
Re: Good Speech !
by Neutral Guy on Oct 09, 2008 02:40 PM
why is everyone so bent to link blasts to muslims and riots to hindus etc etc...guys who do this do not belong to any religion, cos if they did they wud not be running around placing bombs or raping and killin innocent people...they are trying to divide normal people like u n me...one can refer to kurukshethra or ram vs ravan or the riots and many such things to incite vulnerable people to act crazy...may be we shud be more sensible and think a lil more...if u r a sensible hindu/muslim/xtian u shud know that ur religion does not teach violence or to spread hatred...may be we shud stop suspecting one another and be more responsible...
