Muslims in Turkey have created a secular country for themselves and are the most progressive muslim country. This proves muslims can accept and progress under secular society.
Secularism in India does not seem to be working. Our secularism has divided people rather than uniting them.
Any suggestions on how we can change the system to make it more progressive system for everyone and which will be the system for a modern India.
Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by mani mete on Oct 09, 2008 03:23 PM
Islam and Democracy is not compatible. 1 country is not enough Most Muslim countries are not democracies.
Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by Ibrahim Masood on Oct 09, 2008 03:26 PM
There are so many non-muslim countries also are not democratic countries.
Re: Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by subbu on Oct 09, 2008 03:45 PM
Does tha justifies not giving rights to muslims in mullah countries?Do you believe that mullahs know better than scientists and learned judges in this modern world! You are all Primitives fit to live in desert only!
Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by True Secular on Oct 09, 2008 03:27 PM
Well if in Turkey it is compatible how can it not be compatible here.. Answer please
Re: Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by Jondlar on Oct 09, 2008 03:30 PM
In Pakistan non-muslims girls (hindu and christian) are often kidnapped and repeatedly raped, then married off to some old muslim. A little google would clear your misconception...
Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by subbu on Oct 09, 2008 03:43 PM
When rights are denied and you are treated as bound cattles how can there be riots-there can only be rebelion.Now your taliban is rebelling against your own muslims in muslimm countries.There are no voting rights for woman in saudi arabia because your mohammed thought they are half intelligent as your males where as I find it to be the other way around!
Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by kraft on Oct 09, 2008 03:22 PM
The day the CONGRESS Party is wiped out permanently from the Political map of India, true SECULARISM will prevail. Now what is happening is a turf War between Minority & Terror Appeasers and the Indian People.
Re: Redefine rules of Secularism in India
by Jondlar on Oct 09, 2008 03:27 PM
According to Wikipedia 99.8% of Turkey population is muslim. You talk about secularism there? If all are muslim, they dont have to worry about any other religion at all.
Then you compare Turkey with India? You need some schooling.
how is the BJP going to win next election , it i absent in rural UP(65 ) seats , Bengal 42 seats AP 42 seats TN 40 seats kerala 20 seats northeast 15 seats haryana (parts of) 8 seats total 232 seats
Re: To Mr Advani and BjP suporters
by Jondlar on Oct 09, 2008 03:20 PM
Have you ever heard : Andhon mein kana raja (One eyed is king amongst the blinds).
What I see is that most of the People here do not like other religions and find serious faults in them. How can we sort that out.
a. Go to a neutral website where you can discuss that and clarify or prove your point. anyone knows a neutral form where this can be discussed freely. I don't think rediff encourages open discussion on religion.
b. start a slandering match here and leave as a bitter person.
Re: Advani & communalzing
by Vin on Oct 09, 2008 04:02 PM
Even though I am against the demolition of Babri Masjid, I think, security issues pointed out by Advaniji is true and very serious. You know terrorism in India is very organized and executed as per the plans of our neighbors. They are working towards a goal, partition of India again. I have seen a website, many years before, which describes such plans. They want to create a country called Mugalistan. You may still get those information over internet if you search it. So be serious and don't criticize a visionary. If we didn't start acting now, we will be very late.
Re: Advani & communalzing
by kraft on Oct 09, 2008 03:14 PM
Harish, it is you who is talking like a Bhains. Please dont exhibit your ignorance further.
Re: Ban Islam and Christianity
by subbu on Oct 09, 2008 03:21 PM
Well Said.They should be banned not only in India but through out the world.There was world and very good civilisations before the advent of these evils and in fact the world was a better place to live in.So we donot need these rubbih utopian and lunatic concepts to torture the world every day
Re: Re: Re: Ban Islam and Christianity
by subbu on Oct 09, 2008 03:48 PM
Do you mean to say I should be put in a msulim country and made to read the mad mans revelations?Hahaha!
Re: Re: Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by Hasmukh Gandhi on Oct 09, 2008 03:12 PM
It is a tragic irony of the people and the country that v r not able to appreicate a visionary statesman like Advani simply becuase he does not talk what u like. He understands history and geography like no other living polititcian in congress. He has the agility and ability to deal with internal and external forces in an perceptible intellectual way. But if people deserves invisible Shivraj Patil, then let history be re-written. We simply have forgotten what had happened to us in last 200 years and if persist in liking candy-like populism rather then hard core reality, then...welll...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by om pandey on Oct 09, 2008 03:35 PM
The man has one ideology that is acquiring power. India has seen several PM,s but it is first time that a man is living for post. Advani is not only incompetent but also insane, he can not see beyond his point of view , he is intolerant.India kaPM wo Hoga jo Kalawati aur mayawati ka dard samjhenaki jo POta or mandir ke pher main rahe.Agar hindu,s tolrance bhadegi to acceptance phi badhegi jabarjasti to Dubey ji choube ji nahi banege. Advani Gokhlani nahi banega.
Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by lee on Oct 09, 2008 03:18 PM
In our country we cannot tackle terrorism by handling Muslim religion diplomatically. India is the country of hindus and we must be proud of it and must not allow any other relion to dominate us, yes we can allow muslims to live but with limits. the moment you give them rights and access, they start to take advantage of it and .... I don't understand how jihad and all other shits be in their religious book. We must tackle them with hard rules and punishments and limit their rights as we have in Gujurat.
Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by mani mete on Oct 09, 2008 03:03 PM
Om Praksah, U are sickular not secular. Tell muslims to follow Indian Laws NOT Sharia laws.
Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by om pandey on Oct 09, 2008 03:23 PM
Nation is not build withlong vision. Lakir se badfi lakir khichte chalo, saria bahut chota ho jayega aaj India mainsekdo kanoon har sal banter hain aur sab muslamano per bhi lagoo hote hai. Sariaunko bachata thodi hai agar ek way of living hai to log samay khud decidekarega agar koi change hahiye, isme masla kya hai jo BJP ya hindu fundamentalist pareshan hain.
Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by Jitender Singh on Oct 09, 2008 03:11 PM
your attitude seems to be worse. jab kuch muslamn tumhare pichwade ke niche bomb rakhenge na, tab pata chalega. infact u dont know the core problem. secular ke naam pe congress terrorism badha rahi hai, just for narrow vote bank, they dont have guts to catch suspected muslim man, nahi to lalu, mulayam, soniya jee sare bachane aa jayenge.. Pande jee jago, BJP is much better than these bunch of jokers.
Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by Ibrahim Masood on Oct 09, 2008 03:21 PM
Brother how can you say........muslims always behind every blast in India. Can you imagine any person keep bomb in his holy place. This is all politics not indivual act. Please understand and don't play in politicians hands. We have to run our country but not by foolish people like Advani and others.
Re: Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by om pandey on Oct 09, 2008 03:43 PM
Kaash Duniya itni saral Hoti?Sawaal main sawal to nikltai hi hai.Kya kisi bhai ne apne bhai ya baap ko nahi mara ya bete ne maa ya bahan ko nahi maara are khoon ka rista hi nahi mante dharm auraastha to sab baad ki batain hain, Hone ko khuch bhi ho sakta hai pakistan ki mosque mai aye din wardat ho rahi hai?wahan kaun hain?
Re: Re: Bhains agar punch uthayegi to gober hi karegi
by Jitender Singh on Oct 09, 2008 03:47 PM
masood bhai, impressed by ur humble nature. Banaras me hanuman mandir me bomb kisne rakha tha, jisme pooja karne aaye logon ke chithre ud gaye...Definately all muslim are not terrorist but all terrorist are muslim.
Re: NO PROOF
by Rolex Computers on Oct 09, 2008 03:28 PM
Yes. We converted from Hindus to Chris & Muslims b'coz we find these religions more sensible. This new religion teaches us to respect Humans (like you) even if u abuse us & our religions. Dear. How can u worship Idols & even have faith in them, when u abuse Humans & their religions, in whom actually the almighty resides. Open the books... Sam Ved, Yajur Ved, Atharva Ved, Rig Ved, Gita, Bible, Holy Quran, or any book in the world. All say, GOD the Almighty, resides in each and every Human. Hope you get Enlightened soon
Re: NO PROOF
by Neutral Guy on Oct 09, 2008 03:12 PM
shut up man...there may be certain wrong accusations..but all of it cant be false...may be the police shud provide some transparency in such issues..at least to the extent that the public are convinced and at the same time not compromising security...there r such people as SIMI, thou they may have a reason to protest but we shud accept the fact that the way they have chosen to show their protest is entirely wrong...the people who are getting killed in the bomb blasts are innocent common people like u n me...if they are so courageous let them come forward and show their protest and suffer the aftermaths themselves..y are they maligning the image of the whole community...if u n ur parents have lived in this country, if u had education in this country and if ur earning ur money from this country and if ur eating the food from this country may be u shud be a lil considerate to the country
Re: NO PROOF
by ashish tiwari on Oct 09, 2008 02:58 PM
Well said....All Muslims related to SIMI IM and HUJI and all individual suspects should be killed in broad daylight ..because we dont know who is involved in which incident..but they all are involved that is sure..
Re: NO PROOF
by mani mete on Oct 09, 2008 02:56 PM
Eagle, If u or other accused Muslims dont have faith in Indian Judicary,U can go To Saudi Arabia. There is PLENTY of proofs of terrorists misdeeds. Take off ur Islamic spects and view things as an Indian
