it was time when it was difficult to accept homosexuality ...but then there are ppl with different tendencies .We need to change our perspective. Much easier to accept homosexuality than incest or pedophile
Re: accept homosexuality
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 19, 2008 11:17 AM
It's really insulting to put incest and pedophilia in the same category, even if it is about acceptance.
Most pedophiles are straight men, not gays. Check the statistics.
And incest too is a choice that people make, it's not biologically based. Incest is taboo in almost all cultures and marrying first cousins is deemed wrong in some cultures because of increased possibility of genetic problems. There's no such issue with being gay.
My master says that it is the thoughts that take root deep in the heart that becomes an obsession and remain so. So, people having deeper feelings about sex start by showing deeper interest in the opposite sex. Then as this samskara increases in intensity, they may want to become like the opposite sex - so sex change operations when possible. God gives what you seek - so when the desire increases in intensity, they are born into the opposite sex. But the intensity of the burning desire keeps them interested in that sex and so generates discrepencies like Gays, lesbians, same sex marriages etc. So the root cause - the Desire had to be crubbed at its root when it arises.
Re: My Master
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 19, 2008 11:30 AM
So how does your master explain homosexuality in nature? Did those animals too have a deep, burning desire to be attracted to the same sex? Seriously, please look at what's around you, look at the people who are gay and lesbian and realize that they're people, just like you and me. They have the same desire and need to love and be loved. What difference does it make if it's someone of the same sex or opposite sex, as long as it's consenting adults? What business is it of ours to go into other people's bedrooms? None!
in our times where we have widespread female foeticide and less access to members of opposite sex, I see homosexuality as a nice outlet to sexual gratification.
the feel of skin on skin is all the same guys. think of people who have isolated occupations... or those societies where we have skewed sex ratio... homosexuality is a boon for them.
after all its not rape... when we have already accepted 'rape' ( which is the most henious crime ) as a part and parcel of our society, the please let these homosexuals live.
the only sad thing is that they wont have kids.... so why whud you be jealous... if you have kids.. then pls go thru the headache and let homosexuals live.
Re: in support of homosexuals
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 22, 2008 05:03 PM
I take exception to this line of thinking. Sex in times of isolation, hardship or other situation isn't what homosexuality is about. Killing off female children isn't creating homosexuality.
Men having sex with men is common, has been through the ages. It is so telling that you leave women out of the equation. They too are sexual beings.
Your kind of logic is simply minimizing the reality. Is it so difficult to think of two consenting adults of the same sex wanting to make a life together?
Btw, being gay doesn't preclude the desire to have kids. After all, gays are human too and they have the body parts to do the job. Live and let live.
Re: Mexicans
by Luv India on Nov 07, 2008 08:22 AM
In Califor.. all hindus are enjoying Homosexuality specially hindu girls, check the name in above news. Harmonal imbalance due to genetical disorder, needs to be treated.
Re: Mexicans
by dallas howard on Nov 07, 2008 08:55 AM
what a stupid thing to say.What does homosexuality has anything to do with hindus or christians or muslims
Re: Mexicans
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 22, 2008 05:08 PM
Being a Hindu has nothing to do with being gay, although the two can coexist...as they have for centuries...look up your Upanishads and even the Bhagvad Gita.
I think you should go see the movie Gattaca. It will give you a look into what we as humans are doing to each other. Homosexuality is normal.
Re: Mexicans
by neearj Thapliya on Nov 07, 2008 10:35 AM
please find the solution for it,,,,and even after allowing this kind of stupidity rape rates will not reduced....think about it.
Homosexuality is not unnatural. But since it is a 'dead-end' genetically speaking since these genes do not procreate they have become 'minor' and will eventually cease fail natural selection process.
Therefore there is no reason why gays should feel ashamed and why the society should think that homosexuality is unnatural. There should not be any social stigma associated with it. However sex is a private affair and no one needs to publicise it.
However I am not clear why a civil union is not acceptable to gays. So long as they get all the legal sanctions and if they are not stigmatise why can't the traditional definition of marriage stay?
And this is not a religious issue, it is a purely social issue common to both ancient Indian and more western ones.
Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 22, 2008 05:11 PM
What, you think some scientists got together and injected people all over the world to make them gay? Do you realize how ridiculous your statement is?
Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by Dipak Bose on Nov 07, 2008 06:54 AM
You are wrong. Only in .0001 percent cases there can be genetic abnormality to cause homosexuality, and this is a genetic disease just like Thassalamia. In future it can be treated, right now its effects can be minimised using drugs. But in all other cases 99.9999 percent cases it is a social disease people get infected in prison, clubs, residential schools and that can be treated in Mental hospitals.
Re: Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by JG on May 20, 2012 07:47 AM
Dipak, by your logic, people with any kind of difference that isn't considered the norm (majority) should be treated or put into mental institutions...so how about the fact that there are fewer left-handed people than right-handed people? Or how about people who are born with both genitalia (1 out of 2000 babies in the world is born like this)? Or how about those born with light eyes? Must be a genetic defect, no?
Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by Dipak Bose on Nov 07, 2008 06:58 AM
HOmosexuals in the former Soviet Union have to go to the Mental Hospitals to receive treatment until they get cured. Homosexuality is a Mental Disease, and it can be cured. In the Western countries, it is not considered to be a disease because a number of well placed people, members of the upper class, priests, are Bysexuals. However, India should not follow the Western coiuntries. India should follow the former Soviet law and make it compulsary for the Homosexuals to get admission to the Mental Hospitals.
Russians are much more advanced than the Western regarding medical science. West has a lot to learn from the Russians.
It is better if RamDoss, as he is promoting Homosexuality, should consult the Russians.
Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by BGK on Nov 07, 2008 08:40 AM
You guys are biology genuises, why don't you publish this in Nature or Science? Russians and Chinese routinely send "patients" to underground mental hospitals- do you expect civilized democracies to do the same? Homosexuality is determined at birth itself and but just like heterosexuality is expressed only after puberty. So unless you guys know of some breakthrough genetic engineering technology there is medical "cure" for this.
Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by Dipak Bose on Nov 07, 2008 01:55 PM
Where is the Civilized Democracy---in USA--- they have just killed more than a million people in Iraq, looted everything Iraq had, captured all Oil-fields for American companies, killed more than 4 millions in Vietnam-Cambodia, stolen all monies from all over the world by selling Mortgages which their people cannot pay back. Is this called civilized Democracy. In that Civilized Democracy two men can get married. But not in uncivilized India, where sanity is still there.
Re: Re: Homosexuality is part of nature
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 22, 2008 05:16 PM
Thank God I'm not living in India then. I'd rather live in the U.S. and be able to fight for my rights. Btw, India is headed the same way as the U.S. is...so don't go so highbrow here. For all its pride in its heritage, India has to only look inside itself to see the atrocities.
But these things still don't have any relevance to the topic at hand. Homosexuality is natural in human beings. It has been for centuries and it will continue to be so.
Indians cannot be gay- as said by the famous and spiritual guru "Russel Peters" lol. just kidding guys!....I think, sex is a very private thing and it should be left to the ones who practice it....as everyone likes to do it their way.
"We should find a nice boy for him and a big closet"-Russel Peters
Re: Indians Cannot be Gay!!!
by peter Ska on Nov 07, 2008 04:34 AM
Why not, Indians can be phsyco too..ppl dont have any other bussiness to do, so they become sick and gay...
I believe, if the fight about gay marrige is about getting equal rights, cann't there be other law which will provide them whatever straight couple get through marriage? Instead of naming it as marriage, that should be named something else. Those who claim to be gay, they would not have got produced had their parents were not straight. By supporting gay marriage, we are actually destroying the real meaning of marriage. If today, gays are fighting for equal rights, then later some other group of people will ask for supporting marriage between human and animals... the list can go on. In school, what children will be taught? who is the father, who is the mother,what would be the definition? A woman can be a father, a man can be a mother....is that what they are going to learn? All these are major homonal issues. Instead of fighting for gay marriage, they should fight to get cured. There should be some institution where these desease can be treated. If a person who is born as man can get operated to become a woman, then there is definte solution which science can provide to help these people to remain whatever gender they were born as. I believe, we as straight people can never understand gay people's thought process. But it is defintiely some sort of disorder..
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Kunal Sharma on Nov 07, 2008 03:52 AM
We all the see the world in a tiny key hole of ours. Our knowledge is limited to what we have seen and what we have experience. But there is a vast world out there, which we have never experience. The thing that you have not seen or never experienced can not be always dismissed as mental/hormonal/medical disorder.
About kids learning there are a lot of things they are still a lot of thing they are not taught. Like the one "Mom, how I came to the earth". And the parents start saying God came and gave you in our hand. Even though I am all in support of sex education, if you still disagree you can make up another stories for kids having two moms or two papas.
About the institution you are talking of turning-gay-into-straight, there are many institute in US and UK. Love in action is one of them. These institute are moreover lead to depression of the person on whom they apply their so-called-cure also they make the person to speak lies about themselves. Search for ex-gay or love-in-action in wiki for more info on those institutes.
About meaning of marriage. A person having extra-martial affair and getting divorce that happens to straight people. Are those unions keeping the sanity of marriage.
There are civil Unions which are similar to marriage in California and UK. But why not marriage, if its about equality.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by peter Ska on Nov 07, 2008 04:39 AM
True, mental experience could be vast. But all mental experience may not be normal. U cant say that one shd try a mental experince like sextual cannibalism...These sort of thinking doesnt deserve a philosophical explanation as a mental experience..
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Baishakh Mishra on Nov 07, 2008 05:25 AM
I am not saying you try the sex which is not your preference. But don't ridicule the people whose preference it is.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Kunal Sharma on Nov 07, 2008 05:34 AM
I am not saying you try the sex opposite to your preference. But don't ridicule others sexual preference, because that is different from others. Learn tolerance.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by jhanshi on Nov 07, 2008 04:42 AM
Hi Kunal: i do respect your views. but by comparing issue with another issue does not solve the issue. I do agree that, i see the world from a straight perspective which is natural. After i came to USA, i learned about something called as gay. We had two male dogs. Sometime they get involved in sexual activities with each other. But after coming here, i learned thats something which humans are doing too(India is also included). It was a real shock to me. Because human are different from animals by their understandings. We live by the rules. As with greater power comes greater responsisblities, that way i would say, we should set good example for our next generation to come. Freedom is not about being just free. Imagine yourself visualizing a marriage. Do you see two persons from same gender? By arguing, or shouting, or protesting, one can not change the fact that Marriage is designed to happen between a man and a woman. It is there since the begining of time...
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by DuniyaMaaneBuraTo on Nov 07, 2008 05:01 AM
Homosexuality has always existed since beginning of time. During uncivilized world of kings, what do you think soldiers (do not mean all) do when away from family for more than a year. At that time it was not considered as taboo. We as society are becoming too close minded and instead of fighting to remove poverty, inequality, racism, casteism, we wasting time on forcing sexual preference of individuals.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by jhanshi on Nov 07, 2008 05:17 AM
Look, Marriage is not all about having sexual preferences. Those who does not support gay marriages are not narrow minded. My point is,When there are so many issues, why to introduce another issue to the world? If you have information about the soldiers, you are aware that, they had no choice (as away from family). They were desparate. Think what a soldier would be going through the whole day. They cannot be at their best mindset. based on those action we cannot judge what is right and what is wrong. With a clean and pure mind, decision should be taken.
Re: Re: Hormonal disorder?
by JG on May 20, 2012 08:03 AM
Statistics indicate there are more cases of autism in this world. Does this mean that we are introducing a new issue in this world full of issues and shouldn't deal with it? People can't have babies due to infertility or whatever. Does that mean we should not talk about alternatives for them? After all, there are sooooo many other issues in this world already to work on? What kind of logic is that? Jhansi, you are seriously insulting homosexuals when you talk as if they don't know what marriage is about or not about. Marriage is about commitment, caring, loving, giving, growing together and much more. These rights that straight people have are exactly what queer folks are being denied. Is that fair? Homosexuality isn't about desperation. It is about love. It isn't about having no alternative for release. It is about attraction and desire for someone of the same sex. You still haven't answered my question...what is purer than love? And don't tell me that the love that two same-sex people feel is different than what straight people feel. Coz if you do, that shows you ARE narrow minded.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Sayyad on Nov 07, 2008 05:47 AM
Again a very good point Jhansi!
I appreciate your discussion with clean intention without hurting the sentiments of others! This is pretty rare on Rediff boaard...as people are bent upon to scold religions, actors, nationalities, caste and languages...
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Kunal Sharma on Nov 07, 2008 05:56 AM
Look the issue is not introduced without any reason.
Gay marriage issue has its own reasons. And for some people it matters.
Marriage means family. There are a lot of laws (Tax laws and Employee rights) are involved with family. If you have any dependent, then you will get tax breaks. If your spouse is ill, you have right to get leave under Family medical leave act. Even those leaves are unpaid, the employee's job remains secure. Other things you can think of are inheriting spouse's wealth after spouse's death. These rights are available to straight married couples, but not gay couples. These are the reason they want to get married. Even though Civil union can do these things which legal in CA (but not in FL or AZ), they want nothing less than a straight couple. After all its about right for equality.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 07, 2008 07:37 AM
There seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in these responses. Sex with another man is OK if you're in desperate circumstances, but if a person willingly and in good faith loves someone of the same sex, then it's wrong, abnormal, etc. You cannot have it one way and then want it another too. Regarding calling it something else instead of marriage...separate but equal hasn't worked and will never work...true equality is when everyone is treated the same, regardless of gender, nationality, race, class, caste, etc. And what could be more pure and clean than love, whether it's between a man and a woman or between two men and two women?!
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Kunal Sharma on Nov 07, 2008 05:48 AM
You are right when you said "by comparing issue with another issue does not solve the issue.". Hence when you said "If today, gays are fighting for equal rights, then later some other group of people will ask for supporting marriage between human and animals... the list can go on.", the same rule applies to you.
And you asked "Imagine yourself visualizing a marriage. Do you see two persons from same gender?", answer is I am gay and I am ready for that.
Now don't be shocked as you get when learned about these things called gay. You don't have to understand everyone's feelings, frankly no one can't. You just have to tolerate it. Gays like me seek tolerance from you straight people.
About rules and responsibility I am followed everything in life. But one day I asked myself which is worse, Being liar to yourself or being gay. I found its the truth that matters, eventually that will come out.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by jhanshi on Nov 07, 2008 06:59 AM
Hey,Sayyad, thanks:)
Kunal, We cannot even control our own mind, so there is no point trying to control other person's mind too. If you try to prove gay thing logically, it ends no where. Here how it is. Scenario 1: when you as a man gets attracted to another man. You actually think you are a woman. thats why you get attracted to a man. Scenario 2: Now come to the other man who is involved. if he is getting attracted to you, he too also think exactly like you. So at the end you both are physically are two man, but inside you both become two women.So at this point you are no longer attracted to a man anymore. So now come back to you, from the beginning you didnot get attracted towards a woman, but eventually you end up feeling for a woman. Isn't it? like wise summurize for woman too...So somewhere within youself you are aware of your true gender.
Re: Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Jaanusgirl on Nov 07, 2008 07:44 AM
Jhansi, are you trying to tell Kunal how he feels? Are you so blind that you cannot see there can be other variations on society like there are in nature? A man doesn't become a women just by being attracted to a woman just as a woman doesn't become a man when she's attracted to another woman. There's this thing stuck in our minds, this paradigm, that revolves around a man and a woman only. Tell me something, being a women when you look at a woman do you feel sexual attraction? If the answer is no, then perhaps you have an inkling of what it is that a gay man will feel when seeing a woman...it's the same gut feeling of repulsion or disgust that you might have experienced. That's called sexual preference.
Re: Hormonal disorder?
by Sayyad on Nov 07, 2008 08:47 AM
Absolutely correctly written!
Magnetism:
North pole attracts South and vice versa.
But when you bring same poles they repel like anything :))
Now, just by writing/thinking "NORTH" on SOUTH we cannot attract a NORTH.
Now in otherwords, SOUTH attracts NORTHs.. if you call SOUTH as north and say there is attraction...yes there is attraction...but the fact remains... ONLY opposite poles attract!
I am straight but have sympathies with the LGBT community on this issue. Irrespective of whether we think it is unnatural or not, whether God agrees with it or not, it is a civil rights issue. Under the constitution, everybody is entitled to equal rights and this includes those whose sexual orientation is different from the mainstream. Nobody has a right to take away anybody else's rights. If two adults of the same sex consent to marry each other, how does that affect me or anybody else? I may disagree with their choice, but it is their choice nevertheless.
In sum, it is important to treat this as a civil rights issue. It has taken a long time and a lot of effort and sacrifices by scores of people to achieve civil rights, at least as a principle, if not in practice. Let us not take these hard-earned gains away for satisfying our own petty prejudices.
Re: How can anybody argue against Civil Rights
by Sameer Bhagwat on Nov 07, 2008 04:19 AM
Why do you stop at 2 ? why can't 3 people be in love? or 4 or 5 ?? It's not about love. It's about family , mother and father make a family. You don't go around changing definitions, else it will be never ending.
Re: How can anybody argue against Civil Rights
by deepak sharma on Nov 07, 2008 04:55 AM
I m straight, but if some man doesn't like woman & want to spend his life or same story with women. Then why do others have problem, now offcourse they cannot generate offsprings. So if you govt or other institutes equal right to your wife or husband after getting married, then why don't these people who got right to live their way are barred from it.
Their marriages should get legalised so that they could claim same rights as life partners by law as well.. Why not, after all they are humans as well.. If they could get treated properly, they will not have to fight for all these rights..
Re: How can anybody argue against Civil Rights
by Sameer Bhagwat on Nov 12, 2008 12:34 AM
why can't they accept the same benefits under civil union without calling it marriage? Why do they insist on changing the difinition of marriage?
Re: why do they want to marry?
by Kunal Sharma on Nov 07, 2008 03:06 AM
Marriage means family. There are a lot of laws (Tax laws and Employee rights) are involved with family. If you have any dependent, then you will get tax breaks. If your spouse is ill, you have right to get leave under Family medical leave act. Even those leaves are unpaid, the employee's job remains secure. Other things you can think of are inheriting spouse's wealth after spouse's death. These rights are available to straight married couples, but not gay couples. These are the reason they want to get married. Even though Civil union can do these things which legal in CA (but not in FL or AZ), they want nothing less than a straight couple. After all its about right for equality.
