The ancient Hindu religion, though worships many Gods and Godesses, belives in one Supreme Being. All the Gods and Godesses, in their myriad forms, are manifestations of that Supreme being. This is something that the AFA needs to understand, if they are capable of it.
I believe that the decision of the US senate to allow a Hindu priest to do Vedic invocation is an idea that can be followed in India as well. It is really saddening to see that in India, the origin and the only seat of Hinduism, this great and the most tolerant of all religions/beliefs, is being neglected and increasingly pooh-poohed. You will never find a mention in the history of the mankind of a Hindu trying to initiate a non-Hindu into Hinduism by the use of the sword (like it happened with Islam)or by the use of money (like it happened in Christianity).
RE:We need to understand the exact meaning of this!!
by my message on Jul 13, 2007 12:03 PM
Hi Ajay,
Great post. Just one error in your views. Islamists are probably still forcefully converting non-muslims to islam and Christians are still converting people to christianity by use of money. So the past tense in your post needs to be changed to present continous tense!!!
RE:MESSAGE TO RSS/SHIVSENA
by my message on Jul 13, 2007 12:06 PM
Hi Sethu
You are here and well only due to the tolerance of the Hindus. What do you know of the RSS that you compare it to groups like the Alqueda?
I dont think you will find anywhere in the world where a Christian is the Super PM, a Sikh being a PM and a Muslim as President. You dont need a better example of Hindus being tolerant.
RE:MESSAGE TO RSS/SHIVSENA
by GShanker S on Jul 13, 2007 12:01 PM
Dear Sethu, I'm really sad that you dont know the history of India(1800-2000). If you've known you would'nt have quoted this sentence.
I'd like to tell you that all the Hindu sanga's respect other religions. Ok. It's the other religion's who pull Hindu's legs, back stamp Hindus.
Honey plz read the History during the year of 1947. You'll know who saved crores of people who came as refugees from Pakistan.. its RSS. Not only that.. I understand that you dont know anything about the History of India, RSS and anything.
Better learn/know about anything before Criticizing it. What you've said is Stupidity.
It is heartening and sad to hear why christians should allow to utter a hindu prayer in their senate when they fully know that it is an abomination to the Lord. America has come thus far not because of what they can do by themselves. It is only through the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only Living God of heaven and earth who can saved him from the pit of hellfire. USA is what it is because of Jesus.Therefore, hindu prayer should be stopped once and for all time. My brother and sisters - Ante Nediko Pavkovic, Katherine Lynn Pavkovic, has done the right thing - do not be afraid for the Lord is with you. Stand up and saved America. God bless three of you.
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 11:41 AM
Lian - where and when did Lord Jesus Christ say that hindu prayer is abomnation to Him? wake up man..you are in fools paradise... do not try to motivate hatred amongst humans..
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by immanuel doss on Jul 13, 2007 11:51 AM
well buddy, In bible it clearly mentions that there is no other God than Jesus, so it is???but I dont consider America as a Christian nation and all of them are not Christian ...very few beleive in Jesus...so there is not point in talking whther they pray or not pray...cheers
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by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 11:56 AM
Immanuel.. who has written the Bible? whosoever has written the Bible, if it contains that 'no other God than Jesus', then it is not only an utter nonsense, ignorance but also would expose that Jesus Christ was never a God, but an ordinary human being who could be crusified and killed mercilessly by a section of the same community.
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by immanuel awaits reply on Jul 13, 2007 12:06 PM
it for u....even if u read the rig veda...pls do that...a innocent blood has to be shed for cleaning youre sins, and Jesus was that perfect sacrifice,If Jesus and suffered and died then everything ended, but He rose again, thats important...not even death could hold Him, even though I was brought up in Christian faith,I never beleived it...unitl recenlty...if u ever want to know the truth, I humbly ask u to read the Bible,If it doesnt give u answers forget abt jesus, but I beleive it will, search for the truth, if ur want to...and only truth will set you free from our blidness towards life(just try to anwers one question...why are u living in this world???whats ur purpose???)
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 12:12 PM
Immanuel... it is not that the answers are not available in our religions, and books like Bhagwat Gita or Quran... but, none of the Hindu religious books say that there are no other faiths, God other than Lord Krishna or Rama..... not only that, how old is this Bible... some 2000 years...? it is very clear that the holy book Bible is compiled and written after analysing and researching from Bhagwat Gita, Ramayana, Mahabharatha, etc. It may be a simplified way of teaching godliness but can never ever be admitted to criticize other religions and God.... God whether He was Christ or Krishna, never said that He is the only God and not to believe on any other Gods... it is ignorance and foolishness...
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by Krishnan on Jul 13, 2007 11:52 AM
new???!!!! heard something about crusades or the Inquisition in Goa??? see how well the white man has brainwashed his pet brown dog that we think there are no christian fundamentalists. in fact, the converted mallus of Kerala are the biggest of them.
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by shaista hussain on Jul 13, 2007 11:51 AM
new???!!!! heard something about crusades or the Inquisition in Goa??? see how well the white man has brainwashed his pet brown dog that we think there are no christian fundamentalists. in fact, the converted mallus of Kerala are the biggest of them.
RE:RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 12:01 PM
Shaista... agreed that there are converted mallus from kerala...however, i have not heard or known of a converted mallu saying that 'there is no God other than Christ'..they are Hindus by birth and got mesmerised by the conversion enemies and got in to another religion, ofcourse for a temporary period... all those converted out of Hindus would have to come back to Hinduism one day or the other... If you keep aside the converted Hindus, other religion is miniscule in number....
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by Ravinder Negi on Jul 13, 2007 11:56 AM
u chingfunglee, God's big chamcha, whole world is God's creation, whatever the religion is, fighting in the name of religion is big foolishness, All religions teaches, peace and tolerance then why we people hate each other religion? God knows.
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by pavan kumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:51 AM
Hey Lian, Jesus is forgotton in principles. Love and Tolerence to which he stood for have been replaced by intolerence and Hatred. Satan almost tempts present day human beings (not all) that they are actually listeining to Jesus. I have interacted with a lot true christians.
Jesus forgive them ... they know not what they speak .... and what they beleive
FROM A devout spiritual person born with a proud tag of 'HINDU' - The only beleif which has been stressing on non-violance.
RE:RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by immanuel doss on Jul 13, 2007 11:55 AM
Christian is not one with a name...Early history says that people called a follower of Jesus as only a christian...so Christanity is never supposed to be a relegion, so forget it, AMerica is not a Christian nation, they dont have a Christian majority...or for the fact any european nation...hope it answers...
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:46 AM
You people ask India to be Secular allowing all religions to co exist peacefully but When scanning your mind, you inherently are not secular. Then how can you people ask for India to be secular then? You said that America came forward because of Jesus. They got independence from Britain which follows Christianity and bombed Germany during World War and Germanys' majority people were catholics. I wonder why Jesus did not do anyting for them. Holy Crown of England is strictly christian. Why Jesus allowed Americal to cede from English crown then?
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by Vijay A on Jul 13, 2007 12:32 PM
Noble Laureate Rev. Desmond Tutu once said that when Christian Missinoaries first came to Africa we had land and they had Bible in their hands and Christian Missionaris said "Brothers close your eyes and pray for Jesus Christ" we did and when we opened our eyes we had Bible and they had our land - so ling ling you get the message? There two kind of religions in this world - political and spiritual. Christianity is nothing but a political religion. It is created to serve white men, so they can gain political power in other countries and steal their resources by converting people in those countries.
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by GShanker S on Jul 13, 2007 12:06 PM
Dear Lian,
If someone says that im the only God of heaven Belt him royally. A true God will never say that. If you believe a Book which says that 1 Person is God of every thing.. Then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Allow your brain to work buddy.. God created brain to think.
RE:RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by immanuel awaits reply on Jul 13, 2007 12:09 PM
y not Shankar, Y cant there be One God, and if He is so why cant he tell it, If you're Shankar u tell urself as shanker right???u dont tell something else...same way,God is God...
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 12:35 PM
Immanuel.. a simple way of saying, for you to understand.. Hindism = University Hindu religions epics: Ramayana, Mahabharata Bhagwat Gita,= higher secondary, upper education and PHD (you get a mastery of religion and God, Godliness and renouncement) Bible = secondary (simple way of teachings) qoran = elimentary (in ignorance stage still)
RE:Thou shalt not worship any other gods/idol.
by devarapalli reddy on Jul 13, 2007 11:57 AM
You stupid christians has shown your true colors and how narrow minded the christianity is. In every other country you cry for religious freedom and tolerance. But now you stupids comment on Most Tolerant religion in this world.Christ never sacrifised any thing. He couldnt fight the romans so he died. This you guys are showing as sacrifice then thousands who are dying every day also great sacrifiers like jesus? wake up you stupids
i am a buddhist and a dalit...apart from that...if hindu is a geographical term..then all including buddhists,muslims,christians,sikhs etc are hindus,,so there is no question of hindu religion or hindu prayer..
RE:who am i
by on Jul 13, 2007 11:45 AM
Get your facts correct. You may be a buddhist and dalit.. got converted, didnt you.. but that doesnt mean that you cannot claim that hindu is a geographical term.. hindu is a term used for people who follow hindu religion... like me... so there is a hindu prayer, there is a hindu religion.
Incidentally, buddha was a reincarnation of Vishnu, a hindu god. I hope you know this..
RE:RE:who am i
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 12:02 PM
Great theories exist only in so called HINDUISM. Any great person born on this earth has to be a reincarnation of so called VISHNU. Just read all the stories of Vishnu & Shiva and then you would be confused which one of them is right. This concept itself is flawed
RE:who am i
by Praveen Choudhary on Jul 13, 2007 12:01 PM
If Hindus think that Buddha was a reincarnation of Lord Buddha, good for them (Hindus). They have one more god to pray for.
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by krishna dutta on Jul 13, 2007 12:05 PM
True dude, the religion is Sanatana Dharma, and it is mentioned in all the scriptures....dude to learn , you dont need a name, you need brains.....and it seems you dont have the brains to learn. And our identity is Hindu......our religion is Sanatana Dharma, but Goras or invaders could not get it, and people like you could not also.
RE:who am i
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:48 AM
Hindu is a Geographical but the the culture, system which involved in Indian continent form a belief and that is religious. Don't call it hindu prayer then call it Prayer of Sanatana Dharma or Vedic religion. That is more appropriate. You are right, all Indians are Hindus but all Hindus ( as your defn) don't follow vedic religion. The priest has just chanted a prayer of the Vedic Religion.
RE:who am i
by surya kumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:53 AM
the problem with hindus...is...like what is posted by "mr on" and "mr venkat"..they dont have any firm groung but still they want to defend this wilthy so called hindu religion.
RE:who am i
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 12:00 PM
What is the firm ground u are talking about here? Neither you told about your firm ground not I specified anything about it. You are only writing something for abusing the religion like "wilthy" etc., Right from your conversation, I am not visualizing any "firm" ground on your behalf. You said "all are hindus" but " hindu prayer is not needed". See the contradiction within you.
RE:who am i
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:49 AM
Please tell is if you follow neo buddhism or actual buddhism as per Lord Budhha. If you follow actual buddhism, then you are clearly not aware of what buddhism thinks.
I congratulate all my hindu brothers for the this great achievement........and we must be proud that noe we are in good numbers to stand in every country around the world and proclaim that Hinduism is as important religion as christian or islam. Let us share the great wealth what we have in our religious books, teachings to these ignorant people.
RE:RE:Congratulations!!
by kk on Jul 13, 2007 11:40 AM
COME ON ABDUL ,ASK YOUR FRIENDS TO bomb HIM !! Arre, dont worry , Aussie police is releasing that Haneef ! He will help u!!
The purpose of religion is elevate your lowly mind to thoughtless but with fully awareness & ignorant mind.We have human of different maturity & understanding; Hinduism doesn't want all confine to one form/formless(eventhough formless is the final state) like Jesus or Allah. It gives flexibility, adaptability to land into spiritual domain & enable to travel to final state. In most Christian & Islamic countries, they fought so many wars & bloody clash due to extreme thinking & short temper. Hindusim is unique, always young & wide of thoughts & hence we can converge.
Casteism is not the concept of Hinduism. It is simply social order of that age based on their business & to ensure smooth cohesion of that age mind.
Hope, now the people of other faith will understand the purity of Hinduism.
RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 11:36 AM
Utter crap. Its main aim might have been division of labour but ultimately it was misused by Brahmins to make a division of labourers. And to this day it is is being widely used. The only way to eleiminate casteism is to eliminate the concept of Hinduism.
RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by on Jul 13, 2007 11:50 AM
well its soo difficult to eliminate hinduism from earth, I would suggest that why not eliminate you from earth atleast ..well it will hit the jackpot! we can proudly say we killed a son of a Bit**. who fuc*ed her own mother & her motherland truths. History is always the mirror of the truth, the change of way to quote it doesnt change the truth Mr. Mohapatra.
RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by srinivasan sathya on Jul 13, 2007 11:44 AM
Why Brahmin alone? Why didn't u include other caste people? Do you think the people of modern age doing everything correct? They pursue the polices of worst intend. So many people, conveniently ignore the services that small Brahmin community offered to this country into big magnitude; Otherwise, people could have fought animals. Be thankful to Brahmin & don't have wrong judgement by looking at few arrogant people; It is there in all community.
RE:RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 11:56 AM
Oh my I think I have hit a sensitive chord inside you. To remove casteism remove the word Brahmin. Can you renounce that you cease to be a Brahmin. If all Brahmins can then it would be a strting point for the end of CASTEISM
RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 11:47 AM
sampath - are you a jackal in sheeps skin? or you have already converted? in that case you should be coming out with your present name ..
RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:51 AM
"its main aim might have been...", So it is only misused. That it can be corrected. There is no fault in the basic principle. Similar case for christianity too. It is good but it was misued by Roman Catholic church to burn people on heresy. So, in that way christianity can be thrown out?
RE:RE:Polymorphism is the answer
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 11:58 AM
Venkat only way is to renounce religion itself. As long as religion exists there would be people exploiting others in name of religion
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by brahman on Jul 13, 2007 12:04 PM
only animals have no religion...if no religion, then humans are equal to animals and would live like animals...thats the difference...
What is wrong if the Almighty leads us from unreal to real ,from untruth to truth and from moratlity to immortality . The above invocation cannot be fulfilled by the multiple gods or some ordinary beings, but only by the Benign One who is Omnipotent & the Omnipresent,the one who rules over the mind and soul of men . So don't worry my brothers who have registered their protest .If you are really concerned with the result of the prayer rather than with ritual or religion then this wish of the HUMANITY can be fulfilled only by the ONE reality and none else.
who is "hindu"....the word is not mentioned in any of the so called hindu scriptures...those who dont have thier own identity,,what can they teach to others.its all bakwaas...
RE:hindu???
by Lakshmikantha Reddy on Jul 13, 2007 11:35 AM
This Idiot(Surya Kumar) must sold his religion to Christian preachers for few bucks. In Hyderabad Christian missionaries created devastation in I-Max theatre against Davinci code movie. These missionaries are pumping huge money money to spread christianity in India.
RE:hindu???
by surya kumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:36 AM
i am a buddhist and a dalit...apart from that...if hindu is a geographical term..then all including buddhists,muslims,christians,sikhs etc are hindus,,so there is no question of hindu religion or hindu prayer..
RE:hindu???
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:31 AM
Then what is the alternate name given to Hindus. Hindu means people who live beyond the river Sindhu or Indus and was given by Greeks. Hindu is not a religous world and that itself explains this community's tolerance. Please shut up! So, if you are not named, you don't have any identiy or what in this world? Why do u call youself "indian" then?
RE:RE:hindu???
by surya kumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:37 AM
i am a buddhist and a dalit...apart from that...if hindu is a geographical term..then all including buddhists,muslims,christians,sikhs etc are hindus,,so there is no question of hindu religion or hindu prayer..
RE:hindu???
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 11:52 AM
I think you need to be born a Dalit to understand the so called nuances of Hinduism. Very easy to pass comments on others. If conversion can solve the problems of DALITS then I would exhort all DALITS to leave the Hindu fold. But is not the solution b'cos caseism is in Christainity as well as islam b'cos of conversions only. Hence renounce all religions.
This is why I refuse to believe in or be a part of ANY religion. Isnt the basic concept of all relgions love and compassion towards others while accepting that there is a higher power and respecting it? So then why is a Hindu prayer different from an Islamic, Christian, Sikh or any other relgion. Soon fundamentalism is all that will be left. Since no religous Head of any religion has the balls to tell their people to show tolerance towards others, all that is going to be left is a world where we are constantly suspicious of others. RELIGION IS A BEAUTIFUL THING, HUMAN BEINGS HAVE RUINED IT. Are you religious people really so insecure that iof someone converts his religion you get hurt? Isnt the fact that you get spirituality from whatever you believe in enough?
RE:RE:Religion has gone to the dogs..intolerance is the order of the day
by KULDEEP KOUL on Jul 13, 2007 11:42 AM
MR. DANIEL
HINDU PRIEST IS UNSACTIFIED PEOPLE AND YOU CONVERTED CHRISTIAN COW & DOG EATERS ARE PIOUS PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE TOLERATED YOU IN THIS SACRED LAND OF OURS. PLEASE WATCH YOUR TONGUE IN FUTURE WHILE WRITING.
RE:Religion has gone to the dogs..intolerance is the order of the day
by satya on Jul 13, 2007 12:03 PM
Christianity is as much based on culture as it is on dogma. Christian culture is rooted in the belief that you're better than everyone else. That because Christians are forgiven, they are "washed in the blood of the lamb". They are chosen, going to Heaven, while the rest of us are going to burn in Hell. Christians are "morally superior" to the rest of us because "God is on their side" and the rest of us are "tools of Satan" we are "unclean" and we are "evil" while they are "clean" and "good". They believe the bottom line is, "we're good, they're evil" and therefore the rest of us are below subhuman heathens. And they will tell you this to your face. And it's ok if they do it, but is someone says that "Christianity is a cult for weak minded people" -- My God! You're persecuting Christ!
RE:Religion has gone to the dogs..intolerance is the order of the day
by kk on Jul 13, 2007 11:36 AM
NOW NOW STOP ur conversion agenda atleast here , Yaar!
RE:RE:Religion has gone to the dogs..intolerance is the order of the day
by Lakshmikantha Reddy on Jul 13, 2007 11:53 AM
I can understand your merntal status. You know only one thing that is how to convert innocent people into christianity. Prostitute is better than you.
Religion never does any good to people. It is only beneficial for the like of Popes, Pandits, Mullahs, Rabbis etc. The common man has never benefitted from religion. History has shown that it was religion that was responsible for the killing of lacs of people. The barbaric Romans, killing of Jews, forced conversions for the spread of Christanity and now Islam. Interestingly only the so called Hindu religion does not have a violent background. But thats because we have casteism in Hinduism which has divided the people of India and hence we are a weak country. Religion was useful in the ancient times when people were mot that literate. However now it is time to denounce all forms of religion. The only religion should be HUMANITY. Care for fellow humans irrespective of their roots. Care of nature. Worship the GOD inside you. Come let us unite for the RELIGION OF HUMANITY.
RE:What religion??????
by surya kumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:31 AM
how conveniently you forget the massecre of dravids and buddhists by hindus..learn history before telling so called hinduism doesnot have a violent history..
RE:What religion??????
by kk on Jul 13, 2007 11:34 AM
Now now, you are equating Hindus with the Chinese-who massacre Buddhists and the Akbarists- who bomb everyone !Ah! Which history have you read sir!
RE:What religion??????
by humanist on Jul 13, 2007 12:03 PM
Atleast its time to ignore religions and stop taking sides on ideologies like capatilism, communism and all such ideocracies.
Let humans recognise fellow HUMANS FIRST. Let us save the environment first. Then we sure will be the best of civilisations to ever exist... It will also take care of terrosim.
Who told hindu or Indians are not violent ? How can we forget all those Kalinga we fought ? Dosen;t our kings fight bl00dy wars between each other? Dosen't our kings did violence when we attached other countries in South East Asia up to Indonesia ?
Violence was a part of life at that time, poeple were used to it, people were less civilised at that time.
And no doubt christianity and buddism played an important role in world to make peace.
From where Gandhiji got idea of peace, love and ahimsa ? How he showed his other cheek when he was beaten up ? He was thought to be a good reader of all religous books including that of hindus and christians. He took value from both.
Its time for change and its getting late. Or world countries will clash without idea why they are on war...
