RE:They will kick you and ask you ''DID IT HURT'' WE ARE SORRY
by Muralidharan Iyengar on Jul 13, 2007 11:13 AM
US is not the only place to live. Did yr dad n grand dad lived there. Did yr ancestors lived there? Dont be too much concerned about Indians there. Our Indian Dr did something in Australia and UK had put our Indians in the back foot. These prayers are doing only good. R else u wud have forgotten it by now in the race of making money in US. Long live those pray in public to which religion they belong.
I have serious thoughts about Indian faiths and religion. It is naturally because I am an Indian and have the respcet for its religion. But let me ask you, what has this religion (faith) did to over one billion people, except to chain its vast ppulation to to chains both women and dalits.? Did Hinduism do any good for the people of this coountry? No Then I America is doing a serious mistake!! May God save both America and India
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by jason ns on Jul 13, 2007 11:08 AM
Yes, it is because of HInduism that this country has some values. I doubt wheather you are a Hindu! Do you know the Hindu divorce rate? Do you know the Hindu literacy rate? Forget all, check the crime beat in your news paper, how many Hindu names does figure there compared to other religions in India?
Hindus does have some amount of goodness in them and that is because of theie religious roots.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Indian on Jul 13, 2007 11:12 AM
That is not bacause of Hinduisms. Those things you mentioned because of other religious faiths. Education because of Christian missionaries.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Ajay on Jul 13, 2007 11:25 AM
HINDUS HAD A LONG HISTORY OF RICH THEOLOGY, SPIRITUALITY, SCIENCE, ARTS, ADMINISTRATION LONG BEFORE CENTURIES BEFORE JESUS WAS EVEN BORN
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by DANIEL RAJA on Jul 13, 2007 11:47 AM
MR.VENKAT, CAN U PROVE HOW YOU WERE BORN ?????? IT IS A BELIEF. LIKE THAT WE BELIEVE IN JESUS RESURRECTION AND HIS SECOND COMING. THE REAL ANSWER YOU CAN GET WHEN YOU MEET HIM IN HIS SECOND COMING. GOD BLESS YOU MR.VENKAT.
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by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:38 AM
How can we believe christ resurrection? We should count that too as a myth then. If a thing happens in 1000 BC - 2000 BC with little historical records and som scriptures to say that, you will say that as myth. Your ideas are commendable.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Indian on Jul 13, 2007 12:21 PM
This is your culture my friend to mouthfull all. I would not denegrate my self to your position, because I know who am I? India of toady, is beacuse of Christians from many parts of the world.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by krishna dutta on Jul 13, 2007 11:17 AM
Education is not FREE in Christian school!!! Hindus pay through their NOSES, and with that money the christians built money, and poor Indian christian students studied for free.
Christian missionaries never invested in one paisa in India%uFFFDs education...except to use our money.
No lies pls..Indian`!!But then christians will lie, thats natural !
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Vinayagam P on Jul 13, 2007 11:32 AM
Mr Dutta
While accusing others of lying, you yourself are lying. The work of the missionaries, among the poor, the lepers, the dalits, was recorded in history. They went to remote parts of the country and lived with them, and spread education, espcially female education. Whereas your Hindu religious leaders did not go, because they did not believe in female education and also, they thought by going near a dalit, they would be polluted.
Maybe, today the schools founded by missionaires, do charge fees. But still there are many hospitals run by the missionaries, especially for the lepers, the blind and the deaf and dumb, which are run free. Since Hindu religion is devised and dominated by Brahaman who believe in riutal purity, they could not do anything for the people who are rejected by your relgions, as social outcasts. The missionaries did not have any hangups.
Please read Indian Historty writting by Hindu Historians, you will see, the work of missionaries have been praised. You will say here, at once, that they did it with the motive of conversion. It is better to convert that to suffer under people who treat you as social outcast, unfit to live in human society!
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by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:41 AM
Yes, convert, control the state system and start one more wave of inquisition,heresy,burning people which Roman Catholic church had done for centuries in the name of God. Killing is more important and justified rather than casteism.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Venky N on Jul 13, 2007 12:14 PM
Mr. Vinayagam,
Unfortunately the history you have read seems to be a biased one. India as a country had a rich and open tradition even before Christ was born and Christianity was formed. While we appreciate the work of selfless people such as Mother Teresa, several other missionaries had a one point agenda - to convert people to Christianity - that was achieved through their schools and so called charities. Any person in need was a sitting duck for conversion. Let us not distort history since all is not recorded and communicated through the limited time of school education. Instead let us promote friendship and brotherhood among all people irrespective of race, religion, country or creed. Religion is personal belief and let us not debate it in public.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by venkateeshwaran swamy on Jul 13, 2007 11:43 AM
Christians through their missionaries have certainly invested a lot of money in India - with the sole intention of converting the people. Their mission has been mainly to convert and not to render free service. On the other hand, all the Hindu Missions who do social service, do so more as a service and not with a view to convert. It is funny how many of Christians who originally were Hindus prefer to pretend that their Faith is more ambivalent. In fact, there are several instances of the so called Christian Organisations who have offered to help only if the person gets converted.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by DANIEL RAJA on Jul 13, 2007 11:29 AM
Mr.Krishnan is not understanding the sacrifices the English Missioneries / Indian Missioneries did for India and its development. Do you know, the major educational institutions are getting only nominal fees when compare to other HINDU institutions. In fact, missionery minded educational institutions are offering free educations to the TRIBE children. The so called, High cast Hindus are in a position to tolerate the upcoming of TRIBES & DALITS. OUR GOD IS A GOD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. VERY SOON INDIA WILL SEE HIS MIRACLE WORKINGS. LET US PRAY FOR OUR INDIA.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by natraj tanjore on Jul 13, 2007 11:47 AM
Mr. Daniel Caste distinctions always exists in all societies in varying degrees. It may be rich vs poor, black vs brown vs white - Even amongst other religions the caste distinctions do exist though none of them would have the guts and gumption to admit it. The favourite whipping slogan for hindu baiters is the caste system - The day the indian christians / indian muslims are treated at par with western christians and muslims, the caste distinction in india too will disappear! First lets us have the negros in USA become atleast governor of a small District in USA! Do you know that to become a President of USA you have to be of the Irish descent only? Sir, as long as humans live, there will be perceived differences and that is human nature.
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by DANIEL RAJA on Jul 13, 2007 11:40 AM
RE:What Indian Faith has done by Rationalist on Jul 13, 2007 11:32 AM Which is your GOD? Is that white skinned GOD you people are slaves of?
THIS IS THE QUESTION ARISED BY THE SO CALLED RATIONALIST. DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY / GEOLOGICAL TRUTH. ISRAEL IS IN CENTRAL ASIA WHERE OUR GOD THE ONLY GOD JESUS CHRIST BORN. SO JESUS CHRIST IS NOT A WHITE SKINNED GOD BROTHER. HE BORN IN OUR ASIAN CONTINENT. SO HE IS OUR GOD. TRUST IN JESUS THE ONLY SAVIOUR OF YOUR LIKE.MAY GOD BLESS YOU.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Indian on Jul 13, 2007 11:24 AM
Christian have invested crores of rupees in india through education, hospitals, slum sheltors, orphangaes which no patriotics can really deny. Where Advani study? Where did shouries study and almost all those politicians study.? They would vouch for the these. How many Hindu organizations are working among the lepors? There are many Christian missionaries both national and others work in India to bring dgnity. Hinduism only have burned alive lepors, but Christians have given them a chance to live honorably.
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by Muralidharan Iyengar on Jul 13, 2007 11:45 AM
Y dint such christians do these lepor services in Saudi arabia my dear masked indian? Show yr real name n color. I will many events in history about these cunning missionaries n there ulterior motives. Dont talk about only one side. See the other side also.
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by Ajay on Jul 13, 2007 11:46 AM
WHAT CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ARE DOING IS MOST APPARENT AND QUESTIONABLE...LIKE BRIBING POOR TRIBALS TO CONVERT AND IN THE PROCESS DESTROYING THEIR NATIVE CULTURE...WHAT DIGNITY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT...EVEN CATHOLICS DONT TREAT PROTESTANTS & OTHER CHRISTIANS WITH DIGNITY... HINDUS BURNING LEPERS ??? FUNNY... BUT SURELY CATHOLICS BURNT A LOT OF HAPLESS WOMEN BY BRANDING THEM AS WITCHES...
I RESPECT CHRISTIANITY BUT DONT SUFFER FROM TUNNEL VISION... DUDE THE FACT IS THAT INDIA OWES ITS GREATNESS & GENIUS TO THE HINDUS & THE MUSLIMS AND LEAST TO THE CHRISTIANS...AND IT CAN BE STATISTICALLY PROVEN
RE:What Indian Faith has done
by venkat on Jul 13, 2007 11:36 AM
Then What does these organizations do? RamaKrishna Mission Mata Amritanandamayi Mission Arya Samaj RSS ( u might call it fascist but their social work is really commendable) etc., Just because u have several christian org, it does not mean that other are not doing anything.
Please tell me what dignity chrisitanity has bought? Whole world knows about Goa inquisition, heresy (burning of people especially scientists who talked of something against bible), Controlling the state of many european countries which itself is against democracy.
According to you, if a Hindu studies in Christian missionary school, he is against Hinduism?? I just ask you this, Do christian missionaries do this service for free or for an ulterior motive of conversion??
Prayer is talking to God. You would agree. In this prayer, no god was named. If hindu god was invoked, it could be called hindu prayer. Otherwise, it is just the methodology or to be more precise, the words from hindu scripture used to pray. It does not mean hindu gods were prayed to.
Since no name of god was mentioned, it totally addressed to the God the Father, unkown Eashwar is worshiped. Why cant I call it as a Christian prayer?
Why fite on relijan? Why ? Why ? Why ? If one is preys to God why it is than other peoples protaste? What is wronger then protasting against preying to God?
Either the protesters are illiterate on "multiple Gods" in Hinduism or they are clearly in line with Muslim philosophy of Monotheism. Even our Indian leaders them self doesn't have a clear picture of Hinduism.
There is one god but multiple faces of him. You find him everywhere and there is no male/female separation (unlike other religions). Many gods are sacred because of belief in multiple personality(avatars). Its all about accepting multiple philosophy under one Umbrella with no scope of disregard to any religion,god and belief.
HINDU SCHOOL OF THOUGHT 4 VEDAS-RIG VED,YAJUR VED,SAAM VED,ATHARAV VED 6 SHASHTRAS 18 PURANAS 108 UPNISHDAS GITA,RAMAYNA,MAHABHARATA,NARDA BHAKTI SUTRAS,ASHTAVAKRA MAHAGITA, AND NOS OF OTHER RESEARCH WORK BY GREAT SAGES. WHAT IS THEIR RELEVANCE? LIKE MODERN SCIENCE ,VEDAS ARE LIKE THEORY OF RELATIVITY WHICH RELATES US WITH THE CELETIAL OBJECTS OR FORCES,SIMMILARLY MANTRAS OF VEDAS CONNECTS US WITH UNIVERSAL CONCIOUS FORCES(DEVTAS). RAMAYAN AND MAHABHARATA IS LIKE NEWTONIAN MECHANICS WHICH IS APPLICABLE IN DAILY LIFE. UPNISHDAS ARE LIKE QUANTUM MECHANICH WHICH DEALS AT THE SUB ATOMIC LEVEL,SIMMILARLY UPNISHADAS TAKE US TO THE DEPTHS OF ATAMA AND REVEALS ITS SECRETS. THEY ARE ALSO THE RESEARCH WORK ON DIFFERENT SUBJECTS LIKE MODERN DOCTORATE.further research is required,if you have any information please share.welcome.
RE:WHY PROTEST?
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 11:26 AM
It is not Rig Veda, it is rigged Veda. Everything reeks of CASTEISM in So called Hindu religion. Who is a Hindu and what comprises a Hindu?? All the so called GODS practised polygamy and polyandry and we worship them. Do sin and then do atone for the same by doing yagna with help of a Brahman, so called twice born human. Down with all religions of the world
RE:WHY PROTEST?
by vipankumar dogra on Jul 13, 2007 11:11 AM
YES,YOU ARE CAPABLE OF PRACTISING ONLY THIS.FOR INTELLIGENTS AND INTELLECTUALS WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER SUTRAS.SO KEEP IT UP,ATLEAST SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
Life is composed of two type of matter,living and non living. If present day science is investigation and research work on non living matter,Hinduism philosophy is investigation and research work on living matter. It is not a coincidence that science talks about atom and Hinduism talks about atam. Have you ever noticed the similarities among structure of an atom,solar system and shivalinga.even the human body%u2019s cell has the same form. These are the symbolic representation of the realities.if science see the world in parts and reaches at atom,Hinduism see%u2019s the reality in total and reaches at parmatam. If science talks about proton,neutron and electron,Hinduism talks about brhma.vishnu and Mahesh. The creation of brahma from the navel of vishu is modern beeta decay process of science.the further research on fundamental particals yields similar results as described in hindu research ony names are different. As science is not only theory,it tries to make layman%u2019s life comfortable by inventing tools,similarly Hinduism also developed tools as idols to make GOD%u2019S power practical.
RE:WHY PROTEST?
by praveen kumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:29 AM
santhanan dharma is the mother of all relgions ....very soon the truth --which is long hidden will come out .....iam immensely thankful to be born as a hindu and a Indian ....
RE:WHY PROTEST?
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 11:29 AM
Abey DOGRA yeda ho gaya kya? Brahma, Vishnu , MAHESH have so many stories revolving around them that it depends which one you take? These are all pre historic humans whcih were carried on as a result of pagan worship?
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by vipankumar dogra on Jul 13, 2007 11:42 AM
My friend i think neither you have knowledge of religious philosophy nor you are aware with science.any way the world you see around yourself is mostly composed of about 92 atoms in different combinatins but in all these protons,electrons and neutrons have the same properties.it depends upon you to device the mechanism how to create things.jaki rehi bhavana jaisi,hari murti tin dekhi taisi.
RE:WHY PROTEST?
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 13, 2007 12:20 PM
I NEITHER PRAY TO THEM OR OR ANY OTHER GODS. THE TRUE TEST WOULD BE WHEN A LOADED GUN IS HELD TO YOUR HEAD AND YOU ARE TOLD TO CONVERT. IF YOU FALTER AT THAT TIME, MEANS THAT RELIGION IS NOT ABOVE ONES LIFE. HENCE FOR ME HUMANITY IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION. HISTORY IS WHAT THE HISTORIANS HAVE WRITTEN. NEED TO BE IN THE PRESENT AND NOT IN THE PAST
