missionaries in india are using money to convert poo ppl into christianity.Even to distribute the money that they got for sunami victims they asked the victims to embrace chiristianity.Those who done are given those who refused are not aided.This is the true colour of these ppl. where is the stupid Pope who cried on Rajastan govt anti-conversion bill , the way missionaries says that every one has right to propagate , hindhuism is propagating in US. whats the hell these xstians are crying for. first close down ur missionaries in india before yelling in streets.
These converted xstians shd know that no one of them will never become pope even after 1000yrs , only getting brainwashed in india.
Stuff , a US Based Magazine Dear Readers. Kindly refer this site http://www.indianpad.com/story/62337 .. This would explain the dominance of so called "We are Christians and patriots"
This magazine has insulted the entire hindu religion... When our Government supported and justified for printing cross sign in two rupee coin and they condemn these and teach a lesson for those guyz.... When our govt gives importance to sale of Ghandhiji's letters, can they take legal against this magazine as it has hurt the centiments of millions of Hindu Indians living across the world...
the prayer event is on the OFFICIAL invitation of the US GOVERNMENT. these are personal protest by just a handful of people. hecklers are present in almost all meetings and are not to be taken seriously.
RE:america is a secular country
by Krishna on Jul 13, 2007 02:05 PM
The USA was founded by protestant christians who wanted a country which would open its arms to immigrants who wanted a free and secular place, and where politics and religion are not combined. That's why there are so many immigrants in the USA from diverse countries, who entered USA for many reasons. The Jews to escape persecution from Nazis, Indians like us to earn more money, or to use higher technology etc. The USA has embraced them all and has given them equal opportunities in all fields. Many different religions are practised there without any religious persecution whatsoever. People can convert to 10 religions within 10 days if they want to, as religion is considered a very personal matter, as it rightly is. This broadmindedness, this ability to embrace all and sundry as one of their own, has made USA, a VERY YOUNG NATION, the superpower of the world. We Indians have a lot to learn from the USA. Though a secular nation, we still are insecure and immature regarding religious beliefs. We need to understand that religion is a personal matter and should be left to the individual to decide. Why bother what religion our friend or neighbour is following? Why bother if they convert to any other religion if they are not satisfied with the present one? That's purely PERSONAL. Once our attitude changes to this, then there wont be religious tensions, or insecurites regarding religion.
RE:america is a secular country
by Shishir Manuj on Jul 13, 2007 05:13 PM
Dear Friend, You seem to have a very narrow understanding of practice of religion in India compared with that in the US. The whole objection or narow mindedness when it comes to religion in India is this minority and special rights and status accorded to them, which many feel deprives the deserving of certian benefits. Had religion in India remained within the confines of ones houses and not something oft debated in media and parliament, you could have been right. Thus, its not the religion, but the leveraging of religion for non-personal/community issues that fail us. Appreciate the difference, rather than making such broad and meaningless states, that just sound profound, but are hollow.
By and large Christians are fundamentalists but they acheive their goals in a covert manner rather than violent means like the muslims. One can see the ways adopted by these missionaries in countries like India, Nepal etc. to convert the natives to Christianity - disgusting to say the least...
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 01:44 PM
Rajesh by violence muslims (Terrorists) acheive nothing, only get wrath of other people. regarding the conversion by force the two states J&K,KERALA were never ruled by muslim kings still have vast muslim population.
But i appreciate you for rightly identfying the christians attitude. The poverty sticken people are easily lured by these missionaries for conversion.
In case of SPAIN the muslims were forcibly made extinct from the country. 10000 muslims mostly young boys skull were found in Bosnia, is that showing christians peace lovers.
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 02:15 PM
please list the kings who ruled Kerala, J&K.
Even befor the mughal entry Islam flourished in Kerala,Tamilnadu thru Arab traders.
have you read the bias history written by RSS,VHP. Tipu sulthan capital is in Karnataka and Karanataka has no high percentage of muslims. So TIPU not used his myth in Karnataka but used it in malabar.
Dont preach me your false theories written by RSS,VHP
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by rajesh on Jul 13, 2007 03:13 PM
Akram bhai,
Your arguement is more level headed than many Muslim brothers. but the fact is that in Kerala, Muslims hav egrown in population by a one-point program that they have to multiply in numbers and it shows. They are clever... instead of resorting to conversion method, they simply multiply... and in many areas of Kerala they have attained majority and the situation has changed for ever... today Muslims and xtians in Kerala call the shots in the govt. and Hindus are paying the price for their large heartedness... Hindus hasve not learnt their lessons yet there, thats why they vote for Communists and Congress...
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 03:33 PM
muslims have no policy of killing their childrens (aborting)and whatever difficultty they bring up their childrens.
it is not true that still muslims are not opting micro family. The ingorant people irrespective of religion are having higher birth rate. In the fast moving world no one is ready have more than two kids and it is true for all religions.
Previously it is not the same you can find large families in all religions.
Dont try be very smart and i have seen many like you.
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by mahesh muliyala on Jul 13, 2007 04:05 PM
Dear Akram,
I also feel you are not fanatic but fundamentalist, difinatly not secular.
You want us to belive that Islam florished in India not because of Sord but by sufie saints!
Yes up to certain extent they infulenced,hindu kings given land,(they treated every religen equal always).But the 'conversion glowery' of mugals if you want to know(if you want to know the fact)you have to refere to Mugals court document(it is available in Engish translation also, availble in major liberties).You can see how these book produly say about forceful conversion, distruction of temple ect.
But it is very sad to know that even moderate muslium like you doe'nt want to agree! I wander want may the condition of fanatics!
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by mahesh muliyala on Jul 13, 2007 04:40 PM
I want you to read suffcient books before commenting.
If you feel, by accepting forceful conversion your religin is in danger,It is wroung.
You are not at all inferior my brother, not at all.All path leads to same goal.
But king was wroung because he used force to accpet his point of view.Not to consider him as an ideal person and not to follow him.That's all. Harmoney prevails automaticaly.
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by mahesh muliyala on Jul 13, 2007 02:25 PM
Not to be exacited,
Learn to accept the facts.It will help both communities,Nobody asks blood for old sin.
Read correctly Auragazeb done it in J&K not in kerala.
Yes, Tipu not converted in his home state, but coverted latter own land, that is Malabar,Yes Islam exited because of Arabs in Kerala, TN costes,But become considerable percentage only after Tipus,I point Hyder ALi fatehr of Tipu not coverted, but tipu did it.
It is not RSS history,school history, read 8th or 9th STD books
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 02:40 PM
Dear Brother,
is the school books of 8th and 9th standard talks about conversions. during my education i have never came across such theories, is that history rewritten.
The Nagore durgah of Sufi saint situated in Nagappattinam district was built in the land donated by hindu king of Thanjavur. why i am telling this that islam spread in several parts of india by these sufisaints not by sword as claimed.
The BOHRAS of gujarat (LOHANA HINDUS) embraced islam influenced by a Sufi saint and still headed by Syedna follow shitie mulsim sect.
my cousins married Kashmiris and i know well that their conversion to islam not by the fear of Aurangazeb.
in case you still found your theories right excuse me i am not here for debate.
RE:Christian Fundamentalism
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 01:59 PM
Dear Alexander,
you are talking about the past when christians were doing all the things you have mentioned. Now they do all is for conversion, they carry it out as a business ( Ex Joshua Project web site).if gospel has not reached some ethic people why the hell you worry check: Unreached people profile
They prudently use their hold over the repute institutions for conversion.Also by their name the hide in the society from explicit christian indentification.
Rajesh has truly identified you and in no time everybody will understand your motives.
These Christian fundamentalists are as small minded as Islamic extremists and Hindutva groups in our own country. I am no US fan, but am the first to admit that it is creditable of the USA that the Senate was to be opened with a Hindu prayer. Protesters will always abound everywhere, one does not have to take undue notice of them as they do not necessarily express a majority opinion. At least these protesters were arrested and taken away. Can the same be said of police action in our own country? Here the police routinely turn a blind eye to goondagiri of BJP RSS VHP SS protesters.
RE:Small minded but not the majoriy
by rajesh on Jul 13, 2007 01:25 PM
Don't get carried away by this one gesture (?) or the gimmick of USA. Please find out how many millions of dollars are pouring into India for the purpose of converting Hindus to Christians. Are you a decendent of Lord Mount Batten or St. Louise or something ?. Dear sir, open your eyes, see for yourselves whats happening around... in small towns, villages ... Thousands of Gullible Hindus are being converted... Do uo thinki they will be treated on par with the upper-caste Christians ?. They still be tretaed as Dalit Christians... What a Sham and Shame...
RE:Small minded but not the majoriy
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 02:08 PM
Majority of US people are broadminded and really respect all religions.Thus why hinduism and islam exists there, there are few who pour money to india for conversion. it is same as a bulk of NRI Hindus ( Gujjus) earn money in liberal USA and fund RSS,VHP to kill muslims,christians
Bush though i dont agree with all his actions, admire him for his call to fellow country men to abstain from violence against particular community after 9/11.
But in india what happened after Godhra.Modi claimed it is the outburst of hindus. So USA is far better than india in religious freedom and truly a secular coutry rather than india.
RE:Oh you Americans
by Miharika on Jul 13, 2007 01:08 PM
Dear Sa Sa Credit us Indians with some intelligence !!!! Americans are Bush worshippers, they voted him into a second term remember?
RE:Oh you Americans
by kamal dhiman on Jul 13, 2007 01:24 PM
Hey we are those people who sees GOD in all creatures which are Created by HIM only and worship by HIS name..
so come out from ur small well and see that vast sea which we can see by seeing GOD in everywhere...
RE:Oh you Americans
by alexander pushparaj on Jul 13, 2007 01:51 PM
WE ARE WORSHIPING THE CREATOR AND NOT THE CREATURES. MIND YOU. BELIEVE IN ONE GOD AND WORSHIP ONE GOD ALONE.
RE:RE:RE:Oh you Americans
by kamal dhiman on Jul 13, 2007 02:00 PM
Dear alexander pushparaj Is CREATOR is different then THE CREATURES... GOD will be pleased if we loves not only HIM but all his creatures also.. It should not be the case you belive on one GOD and hates HIS creatures...
and whats there in name... you can call HIm at different names according to ur wish He will not mind that...
RE:RE:Oh you Americans
by Santa Singh on Jul 13, 2007 01:33 PM
Very good answer.But unfortunately people,who convert their relegion for money,won't understand....
RE:RE:RE:Oh you Americans
by alexander pushparaj on Jul 13, 2007 01:54 PM
IF IT SO, YOU THE INDIANS HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY WHICH SAID TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE HINDU FANATIC MOVEMENTS IN INDIA (NRIs ). WHY INDIANS ARE STILL NOT FULLY FOLLOWING / WORSHIPING YOUR GODs. EVEN TODAY, WE KNOW THAT ALL TRIBES ARE SILENTLY PROTESTING AGAINST HINDU FANATIC MOVEMENTS.
RE:Oh you Americans
by Joby Mathew on Jul 13, 2007 02:24 PM
Dear Alexander, It is not necessary to be agitated at the language that is used by these people. They are hurt and angry and hence the language; what is needed is to bring the healing touch of the Lord to these people. A true Christian speaks by example; would these persons who so abusively remonstrated against Christian Missionaries say the same things against Mother Teresa or others who have gone brought relief and self respect to people neglected and even rejected by society? Would they say the same things about the millions who have benefited from free and subsidized health care and education that Christian Schools and Colleges have brought to rural India. I do not think so...it is in the Indian culture to be inclusive and few abusive persons should not persuade us to be disheartened from the task of bringing the love and healing that our Lord taught us to give the world. Coercive Conversion is an issue that is being debated by Christians themselves and one cannot be a Christian by paying money; becoming a Christian requires a paradigm shift in thought and attitudes and an enormous amount of sacrifice every moment.As far as the USA is concerned, if the people there have chosen to give less importance to Christian prayers and to a Christian way of life, its their choice.
RE:Oh you Americans
by Manjunath Gowda on Jul 13, 2007 01:33 PM
We are not like u dude., u peoples workship the man who couldnt save himself.,,Bkzz that all created by god (snakes,elep etcc).we belive nature is god .,not like u peoples
RE:RE:Oh you Americans
by alexander pushparaj on Jul 13, 2007 01:58 PM
WHAT DO YOU MEAN Mr.MANJUNATH, JESUS CHRIST GAVE HIS LIFE FOR YOU, ONLY TO SAVE YOU HE DID NOT SAVE HIMSELF. YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND HIS PRICELESS SACRIFICE. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL CAUSE OF HIS CRUCIFIXION, LET US DISCUSS ON THIS, PLEASE DON'T GET WRATH OF GOD BY MOKING / PASSING SENSELESS COMMENTS ON THE DIVINE SACRIFICE.
RE:RE:RE:Oh you Americans
by Manjunath Gowda on Jul 13, 2007 02:21 PM
Mr Conv christan., first have a look on ur jesus history .,ur jesus .stayed in India for a decade to study good and bad aqualities of Hinduism under the guidence of many noble Hindu saints. some one has brain washed you peoples to convert christan.,
Dear Readers. Kindly refer this site http://www.indianpad.com/story/62337 .. This would explain the dominance of so called "We are Christians and patriots"
This magazine has insulted the entire hindu religion... When our Government supported and justified for printing cross sign in two rupee coin and they condemn these and teach a lesson for those guyz.... When our govt gives importance to sale of Ghandhiji's letters, can they take legal against this magazine as it has hurt the centiments of millions of Hindu Indians living across the world...
RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by alexander pushparaj on Jul 13, 2007 02:03 PM
YOU ARE NOT AN EDUCATED MAN. PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS NOT THE CROSS SIGN, BUT THE GOLDEN RASTHA SCHEME INTRODUCED BY YOUR SO CALLED HINDU BJP GOVERNMENT ( THIRU VAJPAYEE ). SO, DON'T BE SILLY BY MAKING ALL WRONG THINGS. YOU ARE ENJOYING ALL BENEFITS IN CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES, BUT NOT ALLOWING THE SMALLER / WEEKER SECTION LIKE CHRISTIANS / MUSLIMS / JAINS / PARSEES . ETC., IF YOU ARE A REAL HINDUTVA, MAKE A RESOLUTION IN INDIAN PARLIAMENT TO WITHDRAW ALL HINDUS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ACCOMODATE THEM IN INDIA AND FEED THEM PROPERLY. CAN U DO THAT ?????????????????
RE:RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by Vivek iyer on Jul 13, 2007 02:51 PM
hey Pushpa..wat r u still doin here? thought u wud hav disapperead if u had 1% of self respect..
RE:RE:RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by Vivek iyer on Jul 13, 2007 02:52 PM
looks like uve been joined by an illetrate jehadi Akram.."birds of the same feather flock together" no doubt
RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by Akram on Jul 13, 2007 03:52 PM
bloody vivek control your tongue. I am not JIHADI. You RSS Trained brahmin moron you first ask your bloody community to return back from US,UK and spread swadeshi culture.
you cannot tolerate your supremacy over the education field is crumbling and every one has a chance to come up.
Bloody is your educated community treats everyone onpar.your forefathers lick the ass of british in india and now you are carrying forward it in US,UK.
WHEN I TOUCHED YOUR SURIVIVAL YOU BECOME ANGRY.
TODAY ITSELF YOU ASK THRU YOUR BRAHMIN ASSOCIATION FOR ALL YOUR BRETHERN TO COME BACK TO INDIA. DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO ASK IT
RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 13, 2007 07:04 PM
Stop this,
All Hindus will come back to India, the moment all muslims go to Arab countries and Pakistan and all christian depart India for their homeland in Rome and elsewhere.
HIndus are ready. Since we have to accomodate all of them here, you people (muslims and christians) should vacate this land first.
RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by Vivek iyer on Jul 13, 2007 02:57 PM
hey alex! u have only one hope-Convert to Hinduism and redeem yrself..goin to yr Paedophile "Brothers" and yr tainted churches aint goin to help!
Else i'll give u Rs.500, please come and join Hindusim /Buddhism/Sikhism/ Islam....u hav so many options...make up yr mind fast..500 bucks at stake!!hhhhehehe
RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by Lakshmikantha Reddy on Jul 13, 2007 03:57 PM
So what do you mean by that. Do you think Hindu joint families are bad. People who sold their religion for money sake can go to any extent. Whne Jayalalitha imposed anti convertion law in TN christian missionaries closed their services. If thier motto in not convertion why the HELL they did that. Still Few people are coming from foreign on Visiting Visa to convert people.
RE:Stuff , a US Based Magazine
by annie phoebe on Jul 13, 2007 04:12 PM
I said 'joint families' not 'Hindu joint families'. joint families are more common among Indians as a whole, and I dont think ALL joint families are bad, there are wonderful joint families of ALL religion. I am just citing some ugly things happening in the Indian society(being a researcher in HIV/AIDS)and am asking people not to be hypocritical. I can tell with AUTHORITY that we are NO BETTER than any country in terms of sexual abuse of children and women, and are MORE so than western countries in fact, because we REFUSE to look at the reality and are being extremely hypocritical. With this attitude, our country will go more and more down the drain. with regard to my vies on conversions, do see the first page. thanks
Hindus do not go about proselytizing about their own creed. I wonder, however, whether a little effort at educating the Americans (perhaps including "Christian fundamentalist"), to tell them that Hindutva, in essence, is NOT polytheistic, may not be out of place. The first thought that comes to my mind is the common slokam: AkAshAt patitaM toyaM yathA gacChati sAgaram | sarvadevanamaskAraH sri keshavaM prati gacChati || The second line, roughly translated, means that worship offered to all "gods" ultimately go to the one God. Is any American reading this?
Hindu religions epics: Ramayana, Mahabharata Bhagwat Gita,= higher secondary, upper education and PHD (you get a mastery of religion and God, Godliness and renouncement)
RE:a simple education to other religions
by mahesh muliyala on Jul 13, 2007 12:44 PM
I think we should take and make this opertunity,to come out more strong socity.If we unite and educate all, we have enough hidden strength on us to counter falls propegenda of others.To make our religion grate we need not comment on others.
