I observed that rediff put critics on high priority ...always same thing is happening few days back article again sachin was posted on their site and they just do it because they receive more comments for such article as a normal human being and an average Indian we not able to tolerate such critics against India/loving one to India. So rediff people are not dumb stop this
RE:RE:rediff is negative
by Alok Dube on Feb 05, 2007 12:06 PM
exactly! tell the author if china wanted to blow us up in 1962 they could have! what could stop them? why did they not take in more territory and why did they surrender land on the arunachal front? It clearly reflects that Rediff is trying to pick up someone in the name of "here is a war vetran..who has seen it all.." and trying to indulge a negative attitude among indians
RE:rediff is negative
by navin aysola on Feb 03, 2007 03:07 PM
You should be in the army or lead an army life to really understand him. My grandfather was in the army fighting the Burma, 1971 wars. So many men gave up their lives to protect the country. So many are handicapped and cannot lead a proper life. Armymen are proud people where the country always comes first. Not like us where our families or jobs come first! Please understand the difference. Imagine some of your best friends never come back after the Kargil war. Whose mistake was that? That the government kept it a secret and made it a political issue to get votes! The politicians are the ones who are corrupt and selfish. Not a proud army man. They have moral values... to defend our motherland at any cost!
RE:RE:rediff is negative
by on Feb 03, 2007 03:30 PM
I don't doubt his priorities. Yes, he still keeps India above anything. but that doesn't mean anything he says must be true and factful. Its only his perception of society. Thats it.
i still think he should have treated his words carefully before holding whole society responsible for what he perceives as loss of "morals".
Let me tell you something, almost every person above 60 now think like him that this "westernisation" is bad! My friend's uncle thinks that wearing "jeans" and "tight clothes" and going out late at night by girls is loss of "morals"!!
Its just the way old generation of ours blow the things out of proportion because their angle to look at things is different and they are quite uncomfortable with new changes.
But our society welcomes "change" and "adopts" to change. This is biggest strength of Indian culture. this is how I view it. don;t know why to stick upon to some "ideas" which were considered "moralistic" or "correct" 40 years ago. But why not adopt to new ideas and apply ideas in your ways to achieve things.
thats what make our society so progressive. Thats the basic difference between our society and those "static" and "stubborn" society of islamic countries.
I hope you get the difference too! :)
"Morality is a word that has disappeared from the Indian vocabulary."
RE:RE:RE:rediff is negative
by on Feb 03, 2007 03:41 PM
If general is teaching his grandsons this - 'Morality is a word that has disappeared from the Indian vocabulary.'
then i am sure, his grandsons will take his words to as facts and immediately fly to west.
He is a person of high honour and riguor. Atleast he should not show such negative views. It doesn't draw any correct picture of society.
But rather a negative and narrow view.
sorry sir, but indian society is not so lowly that our negative media is painting.
Is rediff arm of TOIlett paper or BBC?
recently, proportion of negative headlines has gone up in rediff.
it's a shame that some people have found the use of the word 'morality' so instigating! 'outdated idea'!! we ought to be absolutely correct, not relatively - so forget what everyone on this planet is doing! The same stuff if said by a corporate giant, like Premji, would have made complete sense to you.
RE:RE:shame shame!
by navin aysola on Feb 03, 2007 03:15 PM
Dude, you need to give your name first to really find out if you are genuine. Do you know the people in the defense forces? Premji, you and I are alive today, only because of the armed forces. Not because of Premji. I do respect that man but he lives in a safe environment unlike the people in the defense forces. Premji will not working at 80. He will retire and live off the money earned by hard working people at Wipro. Does that mean he does not deserve it. Learn to respect your country, its people, who defend it for your sake. Give them respect and take it back. Do one thing. Ask Premji if he supports your views. And do not hide. Only people who feel the guilty conscience hide.
RE:RE:RE:shame shame!
by on Feb 03, 2007 03:50 PM
Tell me, whats the issue here? Issues I raised or my being hidden(for some friggin raeson rediff is now showing up my nick even when i am logged in) ?
Ok, back to issue.
I still think M L Thapan's views are negative. If this is the thing he want to say - "indian society has lost morality", then I would burn my newspaper and not let my kids read this negative views.
Now I leave this upto M L Thapan if he want to fill our young kids with depressing picture of society or give them inspiring stories so they catch good ideas rather than become paranoid and leave country to West.
I felt it was necessary to make this clear because people has tendency to catch negative things early. Its very difficult to indoctrinate positive views in a society where media orgs are busy showing only negative sides of society.
Every part has two coins. Our society has lot more GOOD things than bad things.
sorry Mr.General I don't agree with your depressed views.(sour memories?)
RE:RE:RE:RE:shame shame!
by on Feb 04, 2007 12:51 AM
I returned to India after staying abroad for just 2 years... and I find the General is spot on. Comments condemning the general by certain individuals in this column simply indicate their stubborness (or maybe foolishness) in refusing to acknowledge that Indian society has serious problems: india is more racist than any other country in the world - we discriminate against our OWN countrymen on the basis of colour (south/north), language, mannerisms, food habits... you name it.. and we discriminate on the basis of it. Who the 'f@#k' are we kidding!!!! We are patriotic only when it comes to writing about it or talking about it in front of hazaar people. Actions dude.. Actions... they speak louder than words. Look at the treatment meeted out to women on the streets ... in every frikkin city/town in India... visual undressing rules!!! If this is not loss of morality... then you pappus who are critisizing the general... go frikkin home and watch all the stupid dumb ass serials that have so sensitized you into believing that you're in a perfect moral world !!
RE:never ask a man in his last years about ''morality'' else you get lectures!
by RNarasimhan on Feb 03, 2007 04:47 PM
Hello, You get the freedom to write this message only because of brave and selfless people like Mr.Thapan and our freedom fighters earlier. Be brave to come out with your name. Thanks for addressing him as Mr.M.L.Thapan.
RE:RE:never ask a man in his last years about ''morality'' else you get lectures!
by vishal on Feb 03, 2007 05:33 PM
sorry, i didn;t meant tobe rude. Will all due respect Mr.RNarasimhan.
stop giving indians the lecture of morality. Its outdated idea now. everyone on this planet is a thief running behind oil.
so, why lecture indians?
In fact, india has always shared with others. just look at how much aid we gave to terrorists. its a shame that General is giving lecture to us now. That was my taxmoney which paid him. That is so unhonest of him to talk like this.
RE:rediff su*k now
by navin aysola on Feb 03, 2007 03:22 PM
Are you guys for real? Join the armed forces and you will know. And for more read the replies to the above articles. If you are so proud, imagine how proud people protecting the country will be. If you are so concerned about your money paid as taxes, why don't you speak about the politicians like this? Walk out on your street and tell the same to a rowdy sheeter. Or someone who's robbing the poor of their money. I'm sure you don't have the guts. Let the people who have the guts protect the country. Or else, you and me will be living under foreign rule.
RE:RE:rediff su*k now
by on Feb 03, 2007 02:18 PM
we Indians are in fact most big hearted people on planet. we gave aid to hungry people in the dog nation pak*******.
What we like>>>>> * earning money in short time through short cuts. * Getting job through reserved quota * Getting addmision through donation, leaving merit list aside * Getting promotion by short cuts * Even getting reserved tickets in bus / train /cinema / drama show without staying in a line. * Enjoying office time for self work not doing the office work. * Eager to get money from the customers /suppliers * Getting paid holidays more & more * Like to go out from work place for self work in office time. * Like to come late. * Like to produce fake bills to get money from emloyers * Like to get priority of self putting behind the deserving person for rise in salary. * Eager to get priority at doctor/hospital irrespective of emergency. * Winning awards by creating obligation or donating anything
Above all are our liking although we are expecting from others to do good for ourself...
RE:Moral Value
by Thambidurai Karthik on Feb 04, 2007 07:11 PM
Why do you blame Indians when the above mentioned points apply to people around the world? Are you doing this because Indians will tolerate everything? Pls look at it differntly ... Indians who live in a differnt country adapt to the rules in that country. If India came with such system, the citizens are going to abide by it. Blame the system not the people. All the above mentioned points are survival instincts, when living conditions become tough, people take short cuts, forget rules, forget ethics etc. Circumstances and conditions will change people, human nature is to survive given any condition. (Your gene is making that decision everyday .. else humans wont survive).
The rules governing the society should be dynamic, we can't live by laws written 50 yrs back or even ideology 50 yrs back. We need to adopt to the ever changing world or we will be left alone and our society will die (literally). The word morality also has a time stamp, what applies today is not applicable 20 yrs from now.
I do respect our elders and people who have given their life to shape our society but in a dynamic society we have to make changes to adopt. Our human body is making such changes everyday and the next generation are completly differnt physically to adopt to the environment, so change is inevitable and we have to change our thoughts and the way we think based on time and environment. What applies 50 yrs back won't apply now, thats the rule of nature.
Don't blame Indians ... we have one of the strongest survival instincts. We have overcome many conditions (wars, climatic changes, opperssions, diseases, etc) and lived long enough.
RE:RE:Moral Value
by on Feb 06, 2007 01:40 AM
Dear Friend, System and people are not independent entities. People make the system. It is true that Indians are able to adapt in foreign countries but they fail to do so in their own homeland. I agree with the former general that Indians as a whole value morality less that we used to many years ago. One central problem is corruption in grass root level. and don't expect some magic hands to eradicate corruption. We, the common citizens of India should vouch against bribery.
All this Nehru-Gandhi stuff is utter Bullsh*t. They are merely amongst a long line of leaders who were all too human and made mistakes. The point is to create a system, an elite which develops a coherent vision for Indias security interests and functions irrespective of who is in power. This is the beauty of the US's functioning- whether democrat or republican, both sides pursue the interests of the US. In India, we are stuck to visionary leadership- who often miss the boat viz national security.
RE:this is not 1971. this is 2007 now. change with time else you are left behind.
by navin aysola on Feb 03, 2007 03:36 PM
I think you should go and live in the US.
RE:this is not 1971. this is 2007 now. change with time else you are left behind.
by on Feb 04, 2007 01:20 AM
I guess you have some pretty wrong notions about US. Let me give you a piece of advice....go find out who controls the US Treasury and U will have ur answers about US. I've been in here for about 3yrs and it is not as rosy as u paint it. Use a better example to learm from.
RE:'Morality has disappeared from India'
by on Feb 03, 2007 02:07 PM
Yes. we need more such people who fight wars then 20 years later question logic behind it.
Great Article. A small observation, though not very relevant about the quote below "Lieutenant General M L Thapan, PVSM, lives in a small apartment in Delhi's Som Vihar area." The Som Vihar apartments are now 80 lac or 1 crore plus in value.
RE:Excellent article
by on Feb 03, 2007 02:02 PM
Rediff is not saint either.
The way they have made this headline of article - "morality has disappeared from India". Now are you saying that in this whole world which is filled with thieves and thugs like ruthless americans and apportunistic british, chinese, only Indians should carry this utopian boat of "morality" ahead?
So tell us rediff, why you are singling out only Indians from world community and giving us lectures on morality?
RE:RE:Excellent article
by navin aysola on Feb 03, 2007 03:27 PM
Again Mr. No One or Scared To Give Out His Identity, Are you for real? Will you protect our country when needed? Are you moral enough? If you are you wouldn't hide your identity. Do one thing, tell Bush whats to be done. He will listen. Give you an award or a citizenship. I think even Africa (no offense intended) will think twice before taking you as a citizen.
Indians are negative and they will always keep whining and thinking negative about their society and nation.
Nothing will change in this way.
Problem is with Rediff management who is giving highlight to a "negative" remark from ex-L.general from Army instead of quoting something "positive" things he said about India in above article.
Rediff has disappointed me with such negative angle given to a great interview.
Dear rediff, why you are putting "negative" headlines always in your articles? Is someone paying you to spread depressive stuff among young generation?
You know guys(rediff), this is the reason our scientists and young minds perform better in West. They are given good environment, POSITIVE thinking and views in media. But our great Indian media who always takes pride in spreading negative news in public, it affects our young minds and it diverts their minds from creative or innovative work.
No wonder that our young people do better in West but fail in India. Because rediff and some foreign funders of it has some vested interests to keep indian public negative and depressed about their nation.
RE:for rediff
by navin aysola on Feb 03, 2007 03:29 PM
I love you and your thoughts. Go to a railway station or a bus station and see scores of children working there. Stop at a traffic signal and see the old beggars. They are depressed. If you think you are depressed then you want self sympathy. There is no room for people like you. If you really wish to let out your identity, let me know.
