akd, Idea of Indians avoiding beef because of muslims ssem bit far-fetched. I always thought the reason for not eating the cow was because we all grew up on cow's milk(generally). Thats why cow is called Go-matha (Mother cow). This again is a question of faith and should similarly be applicable to people worshiping other creatures.
If we are banning cow slaughter we should ban slaughter of all creatures, because each of them is particulary divine(bovine?) for some group including tribals. Then we would be left with no option than to eat vegetables, which is ofcourse the best diet.
So let us vote for AHIMSA as a directive principle in the constitution. Incidentally, thoughts about Ahimsa are undeniably Indian.
Most of the stated 'facts' is not applicable to Kerala.Children have equal share of family property. In some cases, girls do not get a share in the property, because their prop share would have been used to buy their husbands!However,Dowry system is dying fast,because more and more girls are well-educated and men are looking for a working wife rather than dowry.It is very very rare to see a Muslim having more than one wife at a given time(Infact,I havent heard about any).Religion/Caste is not an issue when we are not talking about marriages/job reservations.Muslims in Kerala are not poor,many successful businessmen&officials are muslims,even though Muslim women havent prospered as much as Christian or Hindus.Kerala has mostly implemented the directive principle of universal education.So education has helped Kerala to be on track and it may be a better place to live for the next generation.So implementation of UCC will only have a symbolic value,if any at all.The bulk of the bad statistics of India comes from Uttar pradesh,Bihar and rest of the the BI-MA-R-U states and these populus but poor states send most men to parliament who creates laws for the rest of the country...How Sad!
what is laughable is your stupidity. I challenge you to give a single proof or quote a single historical text which says Hindus ate Cows. This is just a lie by the communists. Wake up and smell the coffee. You civilization is under assault. Read Arun Shourie's Eminent Historians. It will open your eyes.
Discussion on UCC really amuse me !!! Manipulators (Politicians) never want that Indian become literate & united. Nowadays we have special group of manipulators who extended in India with different name all are engaged to make this country weak and proclaiming to them as Rashtrabakta. Their seniors were involved in informing British power against revolutionary. Certain beg Apology from British when they were punished by British.
Now they propose UCC without even making UCC. Indians where mass is illiterate Blindly support them certain cross the limit and accuse Indian Muslims as traitors. Now if any body ask me to accept UCC. I would prefer to reply in the language of those so called Rashtrabhakta that its the matter of faith. I can accept it when its Sharia if its against Sharia I cant because its the matter of faith.
Akbar wanted to ban Sati but could not succeed. Whereas, Lord Bentick with active support from Raja Ram Mohan Roy succeeded.
The Hindu society in Akbar's time was led by the Rajput kings (who had accepted Akbar's sovereign rule). For these rulers, Sati was a glorious tradition in the event of death or dishonor. Lord Bentick's time was the period of social renaissance within Hindu society. The inward looking society suddenly exposed to western concepts understood its folly. In the same spirit, when Hindu Succession laws were changed nobody grudged against the same.
Instead of payiong a tribute to the everchanging "way of life" and flexibility displayed by tolerent yet orthodix Hindu society, Mr. Diwanji harps upon cows. Veer Savarlkar, the most hated Hindu leader by the leftist academicians regarded cow as a utility animal and supported cow slaughter. It was Gandhiji who was opposed to cow slaughter.
If BJP or ABV, in particular, can swim against the tide in economic field as well as on Ayodhya issue having regard to the felt necessities of time, why Mr. Diwanji and his laerned leftist colleagues cannot trust the fact that Government will do what it sould do.
I was rather amused to read generic denunciation of succession rights of the Hindu females.
It is obvious he is not aware of the Hindu Succession Act, 1956 passed by the Parliament in the year 1956, despite strong opposition from the Hindu rights, large body of Parliamnetarian as well as the then President of Republic.
For knowledge of Mr Diwani, This Act defines the Heirs as " any person, male or female, who is entitled to succeed to the property of an intestate under this Act ;
Section 10 dealing with distribution of property further specifies the extent of sharing which treats everyone at par as can be seen from the following reading of the Act. Rules under Section 10 go to the extent of specifying the sharing pattern between the heirs of pre deceased daughters as well. Each heir , whether the son / daughter / widow / branch of pre-deceased son or daughter gets equal share.
I would only like to add that while it may make one appear a better secularist by rubbishing the Hindu Rightwingers and Hindu practices, please do not spread fiction and personal prejudices as "Secular Agenda"
Hi I am starting a new infinite justice party. My party principles are based on one and only one fact.That all human beings are equal and men and women are equal.Now that we accept that in principle there are the following fall outs. No caste based resrevation! See all human beings belonging to all castes are equal and so where is the need for suupporting one against the other?The casteless society should unify all hindus under one umbrella! Next no religious concessions to any religion be it ganesha festival and road blockages/haj subsidy/4 wives! Every one equal in the eyes of law! Only qualification for joining this party would be commitment to secularism at all costs!Honesty and truthfulness and merit and hard work etc.Lying and cheating etc will not be tolerated! Any takers? It goes with out saying any one can become leader of my party after my demise /even before !
RE:secular laws
by Bill J Kidd on Aug 12, 2003 09:27 PM
Your intentions are good, though you don't have any idea about what your talking about. Well at least about 4 wives and stuff. Anyway, if you are ready to go all the way and add a few more items to your agenda then am your man. How about rooting out corruption (starting with bribery at every goverment offices), education for all and elimination of poverty ?
RE:secular laws
by VILASSAKSENA on Feb 13, 2004 10:05 PM
interesting! u don't want caste based reservation. but why don't u oppose caste system itself ?if there is no caste then there will be no such term as sc,st, brahmin,kshatriya etc.whenever sc-st demand reservation everybody cries out. but what about the fact that non-brahmins are not allowed to become priests and that people still choose sons and daughters' in law by caste ?
To Ambarish Diwanji, While writing about Hindus you have overlooked one important point. During the past 100 years or so Hindus have gone for many social reforms with the impetus from within the society. Many outdated traditions and customs have been shed and many discriminatory practices have been uprooted. The caste system is also crumbling in spite of Shankaracharya. No such zeal for social reforms appears among muslims. Even the liberal muslim leadership acts helpless in the matter of social reforms due to the domination of opposing religious heads and prefer to sit on the fence. Secondly, you have said that the principle of "universal education to all" should have been the first to be implemented. This is also being done to the extent the material resources are available from time to time and therefore is bound to take its time. It is not necessary to suspend all other agendas like UCC till that time. Rather, by attempting to divert the attention to other issues, we are unnecessarily diluting the seriousness of the important issue like UCC, the implementation of which is necessary to destroy the ground for separatism and is also overdue as per the remarks of SC.
Cow is an ordinary animal. The belief that God has took shape in name of a cow someday doesn't force you to see all cows as Gods. Worship the God but spare the form. Even if you do at least spare the others. If a cow come dashing at you to attack, do you dont run away? Or just stand there chanting some manthra?
Except Brahmins and a few upper class people all in India eat beef. It is the cheapest source of protein for the poor people. We have a big resource of cows throughout our country. Many are beaten, not properly fed. Even Brahmins and the upper caste people beat the cows. Is it beating God? Dont tell me like that. It is an animal. I love it. I will take care of my cow, will feed it, and will punish it if needed. You cannot buy or sell God by giving money.
Some people eat beef is the biggest prob in India? All over the world people do it. Dont go back 5000 yrs before. BJP gov feel (Digvijay too) banning cow slaughter is the most essential thing in India. These are not at all the signs of a civilized society. Here nobody want to talk of governance. Banning cow slaughter, sledging other religions earn votes.... India is fast going towards a disaster.....
RE:cow and problems
by Makarand Sane on Aug 13, 2003 02:04 PM
I totally agree with you Radhakishan.A cow is holy because in her stomach 33 crores of Hindu Gods are residing.That's as per hindu mythology.In that sense a Pig should also be holy animal for hindus.Because Pig(called 'Varaha' in Sanskrit) was the Third incarnation of Lord Vishnu(As per 'Vishnu Purana',The first being a Fish,Second being the Turtle).So are we going to worship the pig also?.C'mon we are dwelling in modern world. Let me inform the readers of Rediff what Savarkar has quoted about the cow. He writes 'A cow is very useful pet animal.It's not at all worthy of worship and it's not at all can be worshipped as God.I cannot call it as 'Gomata'. Only the bulls have the right to call their Mother(Cow) as 'Gomata'(Mother cow)' I think those who have taken the Flag of so called 'Hindu Nationalism' on their shoulder should take a heed from Savarkar's quotes whom they worship as a great Patriot(!). Vande Matarm !!!Makarand Sane
