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UCC or Hindu Civil Code?


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Q
UCC or HCC? part II
by Q on Aug 05, 2003 08:24 AM

Its been so many years since Hindu law has been changed. For your kind info, my mother has 4 brothers and she also had an equal right to the property they shared. In fact she had to give a written statement to withdraw her claim legally on the property. And God knows who told u Arvind Sharma is an expert on Hindu religion.

I think Amberish it is time u jst shut up and stop spreading the half knowledge u possess. U doing nothing but just provoking people around. Well yes, the caste system does prevail in India, but we have managed to overcome it to a large extent. Hello, and the so called poor Muslim minorities have always been pampered by the long ruling Congress Govt for votes.

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Q
UCC or HCC?
by Q on Aug 05, 2003 08:21 AM

The article is absolutely humbug, and sorry to say, but Amberish has no knowledge whatsoever about Hindu religion nor about Hindu or Muslim Law. Let me remind you Mr. Amberish, Hindu personal laws are already reformed. The acts like dowry system, the Sati custom, which the Hindus had been imposing on the women have been legally banned. Hindu laws keep going through such reforms. U or many of the them feel that the Muslim personal laws are being targeted, then they are absolutely wrong. Muslims have been sticking to Shariyat even if it discriminates on the basis of sex. But for ur kind information, as per Hindu law, the females were not entitled to any right in the property, whether ancestral or her fathers property. But the law has been changed long back, and today even the girl child is entitled to equal right in the property. So please stop adding oil to the fire by saying that the Govt is trying to impose Hindu Code instead of UCC. If the Hindu law can be changed keeping in mind the good of all people, why can it be done for the Muslime and everbody in the country? Mr. u r really mistaken, you go and study law before u write such articles.

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rajan
UCC - another liberal pretending we need it, but not wanting it
by rajan on Aug 05, 2003 06:46 AM  | Hide replies

Diwanji as an aside whats this, "Hindu's reverential obsession with the cow". Would you ever write about "reverential obsession with converting people" or a "reverential obsession with the only way to salvation" or a "reverential obsession with calling hinduism demonic" or a "reverential obsession with Mecca". Of course you wouldn't because you are a nice little Indian secularist who wouldn't harm a fly, ahh but talk about cows and it looks like you get your fair minded liberal knickers in a twist.

and yes Hindus believe the cow is sacred, but how many NRI hindus believe in ramming this down the throats of the majority community. just imagine the furor in any country the day hindus start demanding a ban on cow slaughter. they have enough problems in india with "fair minded liberals" like you around.

and another thing you "fair minded liberal", you seem to have penchant to nit pick. you said "Some years ago, a shankaracharya even justified the caste system!", duh so, some years ago a Mr Robertson described hinduism as demonic, so did every christian run out and start describing it so

i am sorry i think you are just a prententious little "fair minded liberal".

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Agg
RE:UCC - another liberal pretending we need it, but not wanting it
by Agg on Aug 05, 2003 07:58 PM
Well said Rajan, this is exactly what it is - Another Liberal (with heavy marxist/commie bent) wants to pretend he wants it but actually does not want it - so he does not work towards it but he creates more confusion and as usual pitches one community against another. Another trait of these guys is if you expose them they cry out loud "oh don't attack us personally, critizise the article". Little realising the article is so much "junk" that it is beyond any healthy criticism!

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mandoos
More trouble for Hindus..
by mandoos on Aug 05, 2003 05:19 AM

It is going to bite back Sangh Parivar big time, since there is more diversity in personal laws across Hindu community than Muslims or Christians. How are going to have a common civil code encompassing all Hindus from Gujarat to Bengal and Kerala?.We need a uniform civil code, but it may not turn out the way right wing Hindus expect it to be.

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Deepak
Amberish is a hypocrite
by Deepak on Aug 05, 2003 05:04 AM

Amberish, you say Hindus should not ban Muslims from eating beef. You say Muslims eating beef is none of the Hindus' business. So how come you want to ban polygamy among Muslims? If 4 adult Muslim women want to marry an adult Muslim man, why is that any of your business? What gives you the right to stop them? You are just being a total hypocrite here.

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Mohtesham
Kudos to the article..
by Mohtesham on Aug 05, 2003 04:59 AM

this is the first article I have read from Mr. Diwan.. and more than anything I liked the 'over-all' crticism of the system in India rather than making Islam the scapegoat as is the case always.. and the advice to implement reasoning over religion, rationalism over rhetoric, is best stated. I hope some sense prevails regarding the UCC.

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lohpurush
Secular mask
by lohpurush on Aug 05, 2003 04:19 AM

You have to bring in Ayodhya and other Hindu bashing in this because you can't plainly say that Muslims should accept UCC -- you fear losing you secular mask!

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Prerak Sheth
Stick to subject
by Prerak Sheth on Aug 05, 2003 04:17 AM  | Hide replies

The Author has a habit of bringing from nowhere and everywhere Hindu bashing comments on any subjects.

This article, rather than becoming on the Uniform Civil Code, has again become usual Hindu custom bashing (currently not arguaing on validty or invalidity of "that" subject).

Mr. Divanji, if you don't like Hindu customs, fine, but don't make it an obsession for yourself.


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vijay
RE:Stick to subject
by vijay on Aug 10, 2003 06:21 PM
Why self criticism should be seen as hindu bashing, second let the victims from the muslim community also be joined in the demand for UCC so that it does not appear as hindu imposition. As long hindus think of UCC as means to subjugate the muslims and the muslims think of it as monster out to gobble their identity the UCC will fail to see light. Hindus should remember that when Dr Ambedkar set out to draft the Hindu code bill the hardliners whithin the hindu community like Dr Rajendra prasad, Malviya etc opposed it tooth and nail, it was only because of the support of Nehru the Hindu code bill was passed although in a truncated form and without including all provisions which Dr ambedkar wanted to make for hindu society to runs its business of life in tune with modernity and rationality. Highly deppressed from the opposition the bill fased Dr Ambedkar was convinced that their is no place for reform in hindu society and hence he and his folowers embraced buddhism, a religion based on compassion and rationality. Incidentily the people who opposed the hindu code bill were all sympathisers of the RSS, and surprisingly these very elements are pressing hard for the USS. strange isn`t it.

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