Re: YUVA BOMBED AT BO..WHICH HAD RATNAM AND REHMAN
by Nostradamus Great on Apr 26, 2010 10:20 PM
Idiot Chatur (it is an oxymoron.. he he). They are talking abt the Music. ALL Maniratnam - Rahman movies were hits in the music department and thats what the author mentions here!!
Re: Re: YUVA BOMBED AT BO..WHICH HAD RATNAM AND REHMAN
by Whodunit on Apr 27, 2010 04:24 AM
An oxymoron would be something like Pure mud or hot ice or Genius Chatur. In this I would call it redundant.
This music is not good and will not be remembered for long time. Classics are those music which are timeless and remembered by 4-5 generations like the 50-60s music which even the current generation listen and sing. This album will not be remembered for a year or less.
AR has lost touch with the earthly music he gave in Roja and Bombay(only 2 songs worth remembering in bombay) Hope he gets his passion for music back and its not a permanent phenomenon. This usually happens to successful people and is a phase of life and meleody was never Rehmans forte.
In Tamil which had great music till 1995-96 suddenly become very techno oriented. Same with Telugu music and very few kannada film songs are worth listening. Hope all three industries are not going the Hindi film songs way. i.e. Out of 1000 songs only 5 will be remembered for the next generations every year. These 5 also cannot be said as classic but will have melody to remember it easily in next 20-30 years.
Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by Raja Ismail on Apr 26, 2010 08:11 PM
Good analysis. Yes, the music nowadays has become techno oriented. More of instument can be heard than the lyrics itself. Rahman does this way most of the time.
Re: Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by Arvind on Apr 26, 2010 08:41 PM
Just go to y0utube and search for a.r.rahman sydney, you would get to know how much Indians are still mad of his music. I still dont feel like listening to any music after listening to Delhi 6, the mindblowing music of Rahman. His songs are like..... initially okay to listen... it will take few days to make us to start enjoying, later one would go mad!!
Re: Re: Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by indian on Apr 27, 2010 11:28 AM
@Aravind... you are correct..
'..later one would go mad!!...' and eventually to some mental hospital. his music would be a good tool for doing exercise (jumping), but it won't stay in your heart.
Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by Sudarsan on Apr 26, 2010 10:25 PM
Rahman's music is not of the instantly catchy kind (the kind that Pritam tries to dish out but even then, he fails). Rahman's songs sound average on the first listen (due to your sky high expectations on him). It takes 2-3 (maybe even 4) listenings to start enjoying the songs and once you enjoy them, there's no looking back. There are many people who enjoy the songs of Guru, Meenaxi, Zubeidaa even today and hear them even now. Roja, Bombay and Dil Se are not the only ones of Rahman that are classics.
Re: Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by indian on Apr 27, 2010 11:34 AM
No wonder if some die-hard ARR fan says like this.. 'It would take a whole life time to understand ARR music' :)
Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by Arfaz Habeeb on Apr 26, 2010 09:44 PM
You meant 50s and 60s monotonous and copycat songs are everlasting. It shows your lack of knowledge in music. Pink Floyd and Beatles created everlasting tunes in 60s and 70s and still people are hearing that more than the newer songs. But the Indian music was sick that time and only a few nuts like you hear those boring songs. Songs are to enjoy.
Re: Re: Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by Arfaz Habeeb on Apr 26, 2010 10:41 PM
I'm a diehard fan of Naushad sab. But almost all others created foolish(& copy) music. You fail to agree because of obsession towards it. I agree, now too there are fooish MD, but Rahman etc are a class apart.
Re: Re: Re: Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by indiafriend on Apr 27, 2010 03:07 PM
Arfaz...have u heard of composers called O.P.Nayyar, Shankar Jaikishan, Laxmi-Pyare, Kalyanji-anandji? or only Naushad-saab?
Re: Re: Re: Re: AR Rehman has lost touch or passion
by indian on Apr 27, 2010 11:33 AM
@Arfaz Habeeb, you need to expand your spectrum from Naushad Sahib to other MDs of 60s.
The so called songs sound more like the movie Back ground score. These cant fit on a Audio CD and call for shelf life, u can listen to them for just the curiosity of having ARR and Mani combo and then u will find nothing laudable, it would for sure go well with visuals as BGM... we always expect a lot from ARR with his every new creation but alas we are not getting what we are looking for from ARR for a long time now.. ofcourse the themes and movie making has come of age and has change a lot now but we still love those young energetic and ofcourse those lilting melodies with amazing instrumentation with beautiful bass element incorporated songs from ARR from movies like Gentleman kadhalan, kadhal deasam, lovebirds maymadham en swasa katre, duet,indian, iruvar, jeans,rangeela,daud,pukar,taal,1947 earth,...hmmm the list goes on, but we may never get that ARR now :(
Re: Re: Nothing to rave about!
by RaviKrishna on Apr 27, 2010 11:37 AM
Yes for sure , i really didnt enjoy a bit of these songs...but am one of those ARR fanatics on earth and i do possess all his creations on original Audio CD and only listen to them when i turn on my home theatre system.. n everytime all his classics sound fresh and oh boy what a pleasant feeling! anyways ARR has given enough great songs to us to cherish for the rest of our lifetime and the generations to come but now the glory is lost n nothing to blame ARR as he too is human and cant be consistent for ever, thanks for whatever he has given us in the past
Re: Re: Nothing to rave about!
by indian on Apr 27, 2010 11:37 AM
@RaviKrishna.. Agreed 101%. You are grown up to identify the true melodies, and to reject the worthless music.
Well - the Raja sen effect is sure rubbing off on other rediff reviewers. And I have finally identified what irritates me most about rediff reviews in particular - It is this habit of the reviewer of speaking only in superlatives. This is perfectly fine if expressed once in a while. But when the whole review is peppered with adjectives, it just amounts to verbal vomit Being the jobless soul, i bothered to note down a few from this review
Re: The Raja Sen effect
by Dinesh R on Apr 26, 2010 07:50 PM
Excellent compilation. super, especially rajeev masand on cnn ibn has this irritating habit of verbal overkill. It is as if he is just sitting there to vomit out all his vocabulary on our face and be done with it for once
Re: The Raja Sen effect
by Z PuttIndies on Apr 26, 2010 07:17 PM
@JD: LOL!
Your intricate observations and vitriolic critique of the egregious Verma will have lamentable effects on the reverberating reviewers of Rediff...Whew! I am exhausted off all my vocabulary for the week! I'll be taking a couple of days off...
Re: The Raja Sen effect
by Ratan on Apr 26, 2010 06:39 PM
Well said! Your exemplary elucidation is extremely entertaining! :)
When you actually get to speak to some of these pseudo journos, their real vocabulary will come out in the open! I have had the misfortune of speaking to one such, who still continues to embarass the 'Ravishing Raveenas' !and 'Chirpy Chawlas'
Re: all ravan bashers...
by indiafriend on Apr 26, 2010 09:24 PM
Why should I let any poison grow on me? BTW...these songs are an utter bore! Maybe, they'll look better on screen. But, from a purely listening perspective (without the visuals), no single song catches ur attention even after a couple of hearings! Had better expectations from the album!
Re: Re: all ravan bashers...
by Sudarsan on Apr 26, 2010 10:13 PM
Keep it to yourself then. There are tons of people who are loving the songs. They spread like poison is what mangoe meant. This poison is a good thing to have in your body unless you are not willing to give it a chance (in which case, its ur headache).
Re: Re: Re: all ravan bashers...
by indian on Apr 27, 2010 11:44 AM
@Sudarsan, why so much worried about the visuals ?? The music itself is all time boring. If the listerning stream is not good, why getting tensed about the visual part.
Re: Re: Re: all ravan bashers...
by indiafriend on Apr 26, 2010 10:29 PM
In that case, pls keep your views to urself! Rediff is a free board, and I am entitled to express my opinion after paying for the album and listening to b0ring stuff! And oh yeah, there are tons of people loving the songs, I can already see it in the forum...Good luck daydreaming!
Re: Re: all ravan bashers...
by Sudarsan on Apr 26, 2010 10:28 PM
@ indiafriend: This is not a standalone music album that you can enjoy without any visuals. If you enjoy it without visuals, its great. But music thats composed for movies are mostly composed in tune with the film's situation (esp. music for Mani Ratnam films). The criteria for the success of the album is if it fits the movie well. Which we cant decide now.
Re: Re: Re: all ravan bashers...
by indiafriend on Apr 26, 2010 10:31 PM
point taken sudershan...but thats what I exactly said! Secondly, Maiyya from Guru or Chhaiya Chhaiya from Dile Se were rage even before the movie hit the market! Sadly, Ravan doesnt have any single chartbuster number (according to me, and I am entitled to my opinion).
Re: Re: Re: Re: all ravan bashers...
by Jayasanker P on Apr 27, 2010 08:47 AM
take ranjha ranjha ong as chartbuster, it's already talk in the town mr indiafriend....
Oh..God.It was ultimate music composed by ARR. It went with the theme of movie rather than handling some western music instruments to produce beats like other hindi copy cat music directors do.Ranjha Ranjha is a pick up from the album. How can ARR lends this kind of music with full soul in it? Hats off.. Yes..Usually His Tamil songs are far better than Hindi ones as he is from Tamil Nadu,But His Hindi albums are far far better than any Hindi Music directors work even its uncomparable..Gr8 ARR Ji..Thnx a lot for entertainment
Re: Re: Superb
by karthik k on Apr 26, 2010 04:54 PM
Right from the days of roja to till date, people in the north have accepted, appreciated & have embraced Rahman's music thinking him to be one among them. And a "menon's" short sighted, narrow minded views won't belittle his accepatnce & achievement up north. Keep ur pseudo intellectual thoughts & views to your own self & start growing up Mr.Harish Menon...
Re: Re: Re: Superb
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 05:04 PM
Well the north Indians have accepted a Himesh Reshammiya too... that doesn't make him a great composer...
As for the barbs... you can use them with a worthwhile opponent sir... I am not one... am merely an old-A R Rahman lover trying to put thoughts onto the keyboard, if that's not a huge hassle for you...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Superb
by karthik k on Apr 26, 2010 05:18 PM
Your comment of asking ARR to limit his work to Tamil movies is too harsh & a ill thought one. Maybe he has not satisfied you with his compositions off late but just bcos of that u cant pass on ur own judgements and try to impose up on ur views as that of all north indians. Your humbleness of calling yourself a mere old ARR fan appears sarcastic & fake..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Superb
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 05:26 PM
I pay for an A R Rahman album, or to listen to his music in a movie, and I am not satisfied; and then I don't have the right to complain?! Well well... some reasoning...
As for judgment, that is my prerogative -- to judge as well as publish. Its a different thing that I am not asking you -- nor any north Indian (I am not one by any chance) -- to accept my view in toto! But it remains my view nevertheless. Just like its your view that my take on Rahman comes from my "Menon-ness".
And pray why should I show you the certificate of my A R Rahman fan-club membership?
As for sarcasm and fakery, here's another view of mine: Take a hike. That might help you! ;)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Superb
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 05:29 PM
As for the north Indian's love for Rahman - how much do they know about his work in south India to really appreciate him? Without knowing his real genius, they love him because he is only "better" than the average Bollywood composer. That doesn't say much about Rahman's Bollywood creativity!
A R Rahman must stick to south Indian films -- particularly Tamizh movies.
Because, whatever he tries, he cannot bring in the authentic north Indian feel to his Bollywood music. There is always a synthetic air to his music.
In any case, Rahman rarely tries authentic music -- in terms of instrument. He is so obsessed with electronic sounds that it is a tragedy that his talent is not being reproduced in original musical instruments.
And when he does that with a genre he can't handle -- Hindi songs -- he only ends up screwing up things. Add to that his penchant for singing his own songs and you have completely confusion. His thick accent and nasal twang hit the songs for a six.
The songs in Lagaan are a case in point. None of the songs, including Madhuban Mein Jo Kanhaiya, sounds so 'studio'!
The thing is as long as you do not have the feel of the genuine north Indian air, it is difficult for someone with a carnatic background and seeped in electronic sounds to bring out a genuine Hindi song.
Its the same with a north Indian trying to sing/compose a south Indian song.
Re: Authentic?
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 04:16 PM
Its the same with most north Indian composers themselves. Without a genuine feel of the land, its culture, and traditions, he cannot churn out an authentic no. The song "Kajra Re" is a case in point.
Shankar, Ehsaan and Loy may have done a commendable job in taking Bollywood music into the rustic Hindi heartland. But did they succeed fully? Most certainly not. That is where Vishal Bharadwaj's "Beedi Jalaile" scores. But I am sure Bharadwaj cannot do justice if he tries a Malayalam song.
Re: Authentic?
by karthik k on Apr 26, 2010 04:50 PM
Right from the days of roja to till date, people in the north have accepted, appreciated & have embraced Rahman's music thinking him to be one among them. And a "menon's" short sighted, narrow minded views won't belittle his accepatnce & achievement up north. Keep ur pseudo intellectual thoughts & views to your own self & start growing up Mr.Harish Menon...
Re: Re: Authentic?
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 04:55 PM
Well the north Indians have accepted a Himesh Reshammiya too... that doesn't make him a great composer...
As for the barbs... you can use them with a worthwhile opponent sir... I am not one... am merely an old-A R Rahman lover trying to put thoughts onto the keyboard, if that's not a huge hassle for you...
Re: Re: Re: Authentic?
by karthik k on Apr 26, 2010 05:14 PM
Your comment of asking ARR to limit his work to Tamil movies is too harsh & a ill thought one. Maybe he has not satisfied you with his compositions off late but just bcos of that u cant pass on ur own judgements and try to impose up on ur views as that of all north indians. Your humbleness of calling yourself a mere old ARR fan appears sarcastic & fake..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Authentic?
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 05:29 PM
As for the north Indian's love for Rahman - how much do they know about his work in south India to really appreciate him? Without knowing his real genius, they love him because he is only "better" than the Bollywood composer. That doesn't say much about Rahman's Bollywood creativity!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Authentic?
by Harish Menon on Apr 26, 2010 05:25 PM
I pay for an A R Rahman album, or to listen to his music in a movie, and I am not satisfied; and then I don't have the right to complain?! Well well... some reasoning...
As for judgment, that is my prerogative -- to judge as well as publish. Its a different thing that I am not asking you -- nor any north Indian (I am not one by any chance) -- to accept my view in toto! But it remains my view nevertheless. Just like its your view that my take on Rahman comes from my "Menon-ness".
And pray why should I show you the certificate of my A R Rahman fan-club membership?
As for sarcasm and fakery, here's another view of mine: Take a hike. That might help you! ;)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Authentic?
by indiafriend on Apr 26, 2010 09:29 PM
For Karthik...North Indian music is heavily influenced by North Indian folk flavor. Sorry to say, ARR has been able to accomplish that only a few times in few songs (some songs of Taal, 1 song of Guru, couple from Dil Se, 2 from Swades and maybe thatisit)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Authentic?
by karthik k on Apr 26, 2010 05:58 PM
You have all the right to complain & make any prerogative judgements.. Although i haven't done any Doctorate on What a authentic North Indian Bollywood Music, I think i carry a little knowledge & taste for film music.. Hope you could suggest ways on how to identify & appreciate a so called "Authentic North Indian Bollywood Music.." Will pass on the same to ARR if i meet him & i will ask him not to sign further Bollywood projects..
