The point is neither that all people in bollywood be marathi nor ppl from other states should go to their original ancestral places. The point is about respecting the local culture, local identity. Again, respecting does not mean worship, preach, follow Marathi at all times, at all places. Just donot be arrogant, donot instigate local people, do not provoke them by making fun of their language, their culture (remember historically their nature of inclusivity has allowed to thrive you here). Just be considerate enough in your action, speech, work so that you donot hurt sentiments of certain community. Is this big deal? Is this expectation too much for non-maharashtrians? Are they asking for too much? This is a common practice you follow elsewhere, be it WB, UP, Andhra or Punjab. Nobody has demanded or said that non-maharashtrians should walk out of the state. Its only those who cannot or rather do not want to respect local ethics are asked to pack their bags. (folks from JBs original state WB are proud to say 'Bhalo Chhe'when they meet fellow Bengali. And their is nothing wrong in it. Then why is she pissed off with marathi people who are proud of their own language..?) Why are other communities not being targetted? Because they either respect local culture or at least do not challenge it by disrespecting it. Its only north indians who by virtue of their aggressive nature(sometimes unnecessary) are facing the problem.
Re: The missing point
by Anjali on Sep 10, 2008 05:28 AM
Hi I read your comments. Its very nice. You pointed out a very essential thing and that is respecting other people's language and culture. If someone says I am from UP and I am comfortable in speaking Hindi, how does that person not respecting your culture and language. If you are getting offended, its mean you don't have ability respect other person's language and culture. I cannot understand why you have such a fragile sentiments that gets hurt by if someone speaks in his/her language.What kind of insecurity is that? Why are you so insecure? Hindi is National language and I think people are free to speak it anytime, anywhere in India.
I am Maharashtrian.I grew up in Pune.I don't live in India anymore, but I remember how people possessive about "me Marathi" sentiments. Mumbai is not only created by Marathi people. whoever came here contributed in development.Either Punjabi, Gujraati and folks from UP, so now making comments like we allowed you to thrive here is not correct. North Indians are in majority in Mumbai that is the reason they get targeted easily. Bacchan Family is well known Upiets that is the reason they are the main prey almost all the time for one reason or other. As not all Maharastrians think the way you think, same way, not all North Indians are aggressive. If you are a very sophisticated person, you shouldn't make such an aggressive comment.
Please don't devide this country. Don't you think you are missing something?
Re: The missing point
by rupak chitre on Sep 10, 2008 11:21 AM
Anjali U speak like an illeterate person or U R faking ignorance nobody has objection in what language U speak but the next remark from budhi buchhan wher she speaks about Maharashtrian in a taunting tone is the root of this disaster. Marathi ahes mhantes ani ugach udarmatvadi panacha au antes, tu kay bhaiyashi lagna kelas ka? Jevha musalman danga kartat kivha kontehi sankat ale ki vichraych Shivsena kay karte to paryant agau pane dyan shikvaych. Bai aaj shivsena nasti ter hya bhaiye ani musalmananni tula uchlun nela asta burkha ghalun kivha ghungat ghalun tu basleli astis Balsahebani ayushyachi Umedichi varsh tumchya changlya ani surakshit bhavishya sathi vechlit. Tula bolayache, phirayache swatantra tyanchamule milalay visrunakos ani samjat nasal tar murkha sarke Maharashtrachy virudh bakbak karu nakos.
Re: The missing point
by Mrinalini Kumari on Oct 11, 2008 06:49 AM
Rupak chitre, please donot translate it, because who is interested in your cranky ideals. O please for Gods sake, try to think rationally for one second, and you will be enlightened. Love and Peace.
Re: The missing point
by SS on Sep 10, 2008 05:30 PM
Lady, you are still missing the point. Did you not hear that jaya bachchan said'marathi ppl should forgive us' after she chose to speak in Hindi. Speaking in Hindi is not at all the problem. The problem is making an unnecessary and sarcastic statement about marathi/maharashtrian people. Do you think her saying sorry was a genuine remark? Wasn't it sarcastic enough to provoke locals? Its quite commonsense. 'Hum to UP wale hai, yeh film bhi Hindi hai, hum Hindi mein hi baat karenge' - Till here, its ok. What was the reason to say 'marathi log hume maaf kar de' This asking for pardon was nothing but sarcasm - ask your conscience. Hindi being a national langauge, could she make similar statement in Chennai or Kerala or Assam? Again, please understand, Hindi is not a problem, ridiculing other languages, other cultures (being sarcastic), being indifferent to a place where you have spent 30/40 years of your life is what marathi ppl object to. Mind you, they are just objecting. Not driving you out. Try being indifferent, insensitive, challenging local ethics elsewhere (even in foreign country) and you will see yourself running back in your original state.
Re: The missing point
by niraj pawar on Sep 10, 2008 06:01 AM
Hats off Anjali !! I could not have thought more fitting reply than this....I just want to cite one example here....I asked to one first year girl from Maharashtra what is your opinion about "Raj and his recent drive against North Indian" without telling her my origin (she assumed I am maharashtrian though). I was amused to hear her reply in one sentence. She just told "Raj is most stupid person in Maharashtra". Without creating any hatred I want to convey that I have started to feel that people living abroad are more Indian than people living in country. I miss my country irrespective of the fact that she has to be cured of diseases like Raj thakre, Lalu, Mulayam, Mayavati, karunanidhi, jayalalitha et cetra
Re: Re: The missing point
by SS on Sep 10, 2008 06:26 PM
Pls do not generalize. You will find people cursing Amitabh Bachchan even in Jaunpur or Allahabad. Even I do not support vandalism by MNS or whoever is doing it. Till recent years, Marathi person has been tolerating influx, the diminishing importance being given to his language, culture, etc. in his own state. As I said earlier, North Indians in Mumbai, by virtue their aggressive nature (now dont tell me that I am generalizing. You don’t see similar trend of confrontation between Marathi and Gujarati, Marathi and marawadi, Marathi and south Indians, do you?) would not ‘care a damn’ to normal formal request by local people. Given their aggression, there was need for someone with political/financially sound background and someone who would take the issue to closure to tell them loudly, clearly and more aggressively so that they listen and concur. If it was not Raj Thackre, it could have been someone, if not this year then next year, if not MNS then some other group. But the disregard for Marathi in Maharashtra, Mumbai in particular has reached the brink. Someone needed to take up the issue.
Re: The missing point
by SS on Sep 10, 2008 04:02 AM
(contdd..)Can they not restrain and check back whats wrong with their mind? Why do they want to flaunt their language, culture, habits in public and in unsolicited manner, at a place (Maharashtra) which has its own culture, language, etc. Confrontation is not solution, adapting to local surrounding is -this is the thumb rule whereever to you on the earth.
Jaya Bachchan's remark was totally unwarranted, uncalled for. A politician with the kind of background she inherits becomes so careless while making statement (probably in a fit of rage)is a matter of surprise.
I think Jaya Bacchan is mature enough to know what she should speak and where? I created contorversy for herself and didn't realise, how MNS will react to this. Bacchan family is now under protection, but did Jaya think how comman property is damaged by uneducated and uncivilised member of MNS????? Better keep mouth shut than spilling out tauting characters.
Re: Mature Enough
by krishnakanth on Sep 10, 2008 08:25 AM
Instead of protest, u must advice to Jaya & SRK not hurt people by giving foolish statement inpublic places.In india everyone has right to stay anywhere in india but they should mind think & give resspect to local people.
She is releasing movie audio in Mumbai & giving stetment that she is from UP. why she used these words.No need of using these unncessary words.
Is there a point in tellin "Hum UP wale hain to hindi bolenge..Maharashtra wala maaf kare"...this is a purely racist comment (may be this was her frustatation being not accepted in Bbay..always Raj nd people point Bachhans whtevr they do)...
Re: Jaya Bachhan made herself into trouble
by Balakumar ELR on Sep 10, 2008 01:37 AM
She will learn lesson now from this.. All producers now deny them for their movies... She is taking in her high ego... or could be amar singh's moral support , she must be uttering such stupid words
Re: Jaya Bachhan made herself into trouble
by krishnakanth on Sep 10, 2008 08:29 AM
Because of Bala saheb, she will saved.. but she must learn lesson from now.
Jaya Bachchan has created controversy herself. It was a bollywood function. So, obviously it was expected to speak in Hindi or English( mother tounge of 90% bollywood). In between she said, "Hum UP wale ..........". These type of statements was not expected. In that she used the word "Maharashtrawale". How can she use it??? She belongs to Maharashtra from many years. It seems she has no relations with the State. She is a respected politician & bollywood personality. She should speak properly. If she has so much Hindi prem, then why don't she asks to bollywood to use Hindi in the functions like awards etc. Why don't she ask to south Indian pepople, leaders like Chandrababu Naidu, Jayalalita etc. for Hindi. She Should apologise.
Re: Re: Jaya Bachchan's blah blah!!!!!
by Ravichander Banerjee on Sep 10, 2008 04:05 AM
I am with you but physically not present in Mumbai... So my best wishes are with you against all these politics that promote regionalism and linguism.
If Mumbai were to go back in time to the 14th century, we would see the 'bhaiyyas' return to UP, Khans return to Afghanistan, the Bongs return to West Bengal, Patel Bens and bhais return to Gujarat, Marwaris return to Rajasthan, Tamils to TN, Telugus to AP, Malayalis to Kerala, Kannadas to Karnataka...and of course even the Marathas would return to their original places in Ratnagiri, Nagpur, Pune, etc.,...Mumbai, which was then 7-8 small islands, would be left with a few hundred kolis - fisherfolk who wear a kerchief around their loins. If anybody has a right to this land then it is these kolis, some of whom later became 'East Indians' with the British influence. These people rightly 'own' the place nobody else.
Re: Has anybody thought that if everybody returns to their poace or origin...
by SS on Sep 10, 2008 03:55 AM
Why are other communities not being targetted? Because they either respect local culture or at least do not challenge it by disrespecting it. Its only north indians who by virtue of their aggressive nature(sometimes unnecessary) are facing the problem. Can they not restrain and check back whats wrong with their mind? Why do they want to flaunt their language, culture, habits in public and in unsolicited manner, at a place (Maharashtra) which has its own culture, language, etc. Confrontation is not solution, adapting to local surrounding is -this is the thumb rule whereever to you on the earth.
Re: Has anybody thought that if everybody returns to their poace or origin...
by Ankur Jain on Sep 10, 2008 09:14 AM
i agree with what ss says. but the main reason why bachchans are being targeted by rt is that by targetting the bachchan family, rt will get maximum media coverage which is what his party needs now.
all said and done, jaya should have thought before saying what she did.
Re: Has anybody thought that if everybody returns to their poace or origin...
by Roger Binny on Sep 09, 2008 11:25 PM
Hey Sandy do you know what Southie Kuuuulis wear? A Luuuungi wherever they do you know what haiyyas wear, nothing? So between a luungi and nothing what is the similarity? Well simple "bimaru mind and bimaru state". Nothing to eat, nothing to wear,nothing to stay, what to do? Oh well go to Maharashtra.By the way I am a Koli and do you know what language I speak? Marathi and Konkani, so dont try to give a convaluated,third grade history lesson to us Marathis. We have heard it before many a times. You trying to change the history as it fits your argument doesnot make it right. So buzz off.
Re: Has anybody thought that if everybody returns to their poace or origin...
by SS on Sep 10, 2008 03:38 AM
The point is not that all people go to their original ancestral places. The point is about respecting the local culture, local identity. Again, respecting does not mean worship, preach, follow Marathi at all times, at all places. Just donot be arrogant, donot instigate local people, do not provoke them by making fun of their language, their culture (remember historically their nature of inclusivity has allowed to thrive you here). Just be considerate enough in your action, speech, work so that you donot hurt sentiments of certain community. Is this big deal? Is this expectation too much for non-maharashtrians? Are they asking for too much? This is a common practice you follow elsewhere, be it WB, UP, Andhra or Punjab. Nobody has demanded or said that non-maharashtrians should walk out of the state. Its only those who cannot or rather do not want to respect local ethics are asked to pack their bags.
Re: Has anybody thought that if everybody returns to their poace or origin...
by NoManLand on Sep 10, 2008 05:10 AM
Still It's ok & but at least leave mumbai now. I know nobody mumbai, in thier native place they cannot make bread & butter also. So don't utter a word.
Re: Has anybody thought that if everybody returns to their poace or origin...
by Samual Adams on Sep 10, 2008 01:04 AM
if today Gujaratis return to Gujarat...Mumbai will definitely go back in time to 14th century :)
Tearing posters for filmstars, be it even Abhishek or Amitabh in Mumbai, what kind of culture it is? Sad, if Jaja Bhaduri can't speak in Marathi, Looks like all films stars should be of Maharastra origin or speak Marathi. It is real shame that you ban a release of a good film. How come people in Mumbai tolerate and watch this kind of episodes we ask? By banning a film are you not all threatening innocent viewers? Are you not disturbing the work-pace of a state? Why stop some activity, a film screening?
Re: what kind of vandalism
by SS on Sep 10, 2008 03:43 AM
The point is neither that all people in bollywood be marathi nor ppl from other states should go to their original ancestral places. The point is about respecting the local culture, local identity. Again, respecting does not mean worship, preach, follow Marathi at all times, at all places. Just donot be arrogant, donot instigate local people, do not provoke them by making fun of their language, their culture (remember historically their nature of inclusivity has allowed to thrive you here). Just be considerate enough in your action, speech, work so that you donot hurt sentiments of certain community. Is this big deal? Is this expectation too much for non-maharashtrians? Are they asking for too much? This is a common practice you follow elsewhere, be it WB, UP, Andhra or Punjab. Nobody has demanded or said that non-maharashtrians should walk out of the state. Its only those who cannot or rather do not want to respect local ethics are asked to pack their bags. (folks from JBs original state WB are proud to say 'Bhalo Chhe'when they meet fellow Bengali. And their is nothing wrong in it. Then why is she pissed off with marathi people who are proud of their own language..?)
Re: Will Mumbai Police Arrest This Hindu Terrorist ?
by Unfriendly on Sep 09, 2008 09:31 PM
Hi*j*re mummy daddy ki paidaish. G*n*d ke keede ki g*n*d ka kida hai tu. Kata hua l*v*de se khud ko ch*d*
Why ban films? films are watched by all Indians, not just Maharshtra citizen/ And then to what extent banning is right of politics in Maharashtra? films are seen by not just Marathis. To what extent banning film is right? Does it not provoke sentiments of Indians?
