Are we forgetting that we are all Indians. A discussion about two actors has snowballed into a throw-it-all fight. What a shame!! Instead of strengthening by unity why do we have to fight amongst ourselves?? Simple logic says this is what makes us susceptible! C'mon behave like responsible citizens of India!
RE:Attention People
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 12:14 PM
Hamein afsos aur dukh hota hai yeh dekhte huye uttar bhartiya yodha duthu, saathi Uttar bhartiya Om Prakash par is tarah tooth pade...
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"by duthu on Feb 22 Om prakash ch...d singh ,
"duthu ke hindi se yeh nahi lagta hai ki woh uttar bhartiya hai."
Loud-- ..tune chacha poore uttar bharat ka bhoj sambhalne ka theka liya hai...behenke lu-d main hoon uttar bharat ka...tO ?? poonch padh lega ?? beh--ch-d north-south karke kya teer maarega loud-...bhos-d-waala bada aaya north waala...hero hai kya north hai to ?? aur yeh setu hero ban raha south ka culture leke...jaise khud hi saara culture iske b--p ne banaya hai baith ke "
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Are bhai, yeh kaisa ghor anarth ho raha hai! Uttar bharat ke do veer yodha - Om aur duthu - Madrasi Setu Madhavan par vaar na kar aapas me hi lad rahein hai! Yeh to kadaapi uchit nahin.
Vats! Uttar bharat ki izzat ka sawaal hai. Ran bhoomi me aisa vyavhaar uchit nahin. Aise paraspar lad jhagadne se Uttar bharat ki garima ka kya hoga?
Putron, are Om aur dhutu, apne Mat-bhed samapt karo aur apne chit ekagra karo. Shatru madrasi Sethu ko parajit jo karna hai. Yahi aapka dharam hai, kartavya hai!
Magar ran bhoomi ki aur prasthan karne se pehle Matashri evam Pitashri ke charan sparsh kar aashirvad lena kaise bhool gaye? Are kidhar hain woh? Are kidhar hain MatashrI, Kidhar hai PitashrI? MATASHRI! PITASHRI!!
RE:Attention People
by saurabh banga on Feb 22, 2007 10:08 AM
I read ur message but i think its media which is hyping this issue more than waht it actually is between these two actors.They are actors,there work is to do best but everytime and then media peers for the answers relating to the opponent actor and make it an issue.They are both fine actors and i think they know there responsibility
I was sorta reading thru the messages and it seems like a south indian vs bollywood clash...well theres no doubt of the fact that amitabh bachan is an actor par excellence...the other actors who comes close to perfection in bollywood are dilip kumar,om puri,naseeruddin shah,kk menon and to an extent even aamir khan.... but to bias against south indian films is without doubt sheer ignorance....south india can boast of actors whose talents can never be doubted..they are in the pinnacle of acting excellence...however i must also add that there are many south indian films that are ridiculous and way off mark....to give due credit however to the serious forms of films...the raw talents in the indian film industry is restricted mainly to 4 states(on the basis of national awards and international recognition)..the first is undoubtedly kerala(adoor gopalakrishnan and gang)..2)west bengal 3)tamil(read only kamal hassan and mani ratnam)...4)certain marathi films.... but enuf of the analysis....jo bhi ho...we still love rajnikanth splitting bullets...amitabh and shava shava...SRK and ahem Karan johar...etc etc..Long live our actors however crap and good they r!!!!
RE:The actors my firends...
by Om on Feb 22, 2007 02:14 PM
have u seen kerala movies of today? total masala waste...don't try to take advantage of others not knowing much about kerala movies by putting them on a high pedestal...you are an absolute regionalist...first learn to appreciate people from other regions of the country too..
RE:RE:The actors my firends...
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 09:54 PM
That is correct Om.
Kerala movies only show "shava shava", "Sona sona, dil tera sona", "Oonchi hai building, lift teri band hai", "Ganga maiyya ki kasam, mein khoon pee jaaoonga" and "Mujhe mat roko, mujhe apna kartavya nibhane do, Mujhe marne do".
Afterall Malayalis dont have the intellect of bhaiyya bhaiyyani fans of Bollywood. Do they?
RE:How about a movie with these actors?
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 04:00 AM
BTW Manoj Bajpai is better than Amitabh. Why not include him as well.
RE:RE:How about a movie with these actors?
by Om on Feb 22, 2007 01:55 PM
manoj bajapi is goners..he has only satya against his name..rest all of his movies were pathetic..
RE:How about a movie with these actors?
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 03:58 AM
Sure shot flop. Only SRK can bring life to that movie. Loved Amitabh's performance 20 yrs ago. All he will do is 'shava shava' and Rajesh khanna - another great talent that is an absolute has been now.
Obviously you were not serious. Were you?
Leave SRK alone he brings some decent movies, dont 'shava shava' him to death now.
Bilkul sahi bolte ho, mitr. Mohan Lal, Kamal Hassan, Mammooty bhala 'shava shava', 'dil chura ke le gayi' aur 'Oonchi hai building, lift teri bandh hai' ityadi superduper Bollywood stars waali harkatein thodi hi kar paayenge.
Which movies of AB in the past 20 yrs are you exactly proud of? Your Bollywood scripts waste his enormous talents reducing him to a joke.
The difference between Bollywood and South Indian Cinema is the difference between BIMARU (Bihar, MP, Rajasthan, UP) and Kerala, TN, AP and Karnataka. Or the difference between Patna, Lucknow, Bhopal, Jaipur, Allahabad and Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Trivandrum and Kochi!
Om ji,
Jinko 'shava shava' aur 'tera khoon pee jaonga', 'ganga maiyya ke kasam khaata hoon' ityadi bakwas he dekhne ka shauk hai wo bhala quality cinema aur abhinay ke bare me kya jaanenge? Bandar kya jaane adrak ka swaad?
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by rahul tiwari on Feb 22, 2007 01:37 AM
u hav been quite focused on up-bihar song,sava sava...blamed AB and other,but what abt ur own telgu and kanadigga movies which surrounds on same plot.open ur eyes..u ll see bulk of movies with meaning ful pattern.,
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by Sreekanth Nemani on Feb 22, 2007 10:08 AM
Hi guys,
First of all please don't compare 'telugu' and 'kannada' movies in the same bracket. 'Telugu' movie industry is a highly mature industry and makes as many movies as 'Tamil' or 'Hindi' movie Industry. (I will never use the word 'Bollywood', it is an insult!!).
Many movies that are made in Tamil and Hindi have been inspired from Telugu and vice versa. There are many good movies that are made in telugu too, but just like in 'Hindi' or 'Tamil', the good movies are made by small film makers and the crap are made by big production houses.
That is why you will only hear chiranjeevi etc, but you will never hear about something like 'Ananganaga Oka Roju' etc.. Remember before coming to Hindi, 'Ram Gopal Varma' was a Telugu director and made quite a few wonderful movies for that era.
'Kannada' movie industry by comparison is very small, and has been mostly overshadowed by the presence of large Telugu and Tamil industries.
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by rahul tiwari on Feb 22, 2007 01:32 AM
i like watching movies of south india.i m fond kamal hasn,rajnikant and mamuti.i liked recent movie chandramukhi and aryan.but there is no way to blame hindi cinema.ur kannadiga cinema and several more movies r not more than a dustbin.the same problem is with bollywood cinema.but here u can see movies like Black,Rang De Basanti ,Swadesh,Lagan,Devdas(little dramatical),Sarkar(true remake of God Father),swadesh,Munnabhai Sequels,Garv(a strry on riotes),parzania,black friday,page3,machis.hav been very very meaningful movies.another thing SRK and Amitabh pull dozen thousands people sometimes 50k on any show overseas.lot more than any hollwood actor or singer.Amitabh is known as STAR OF MILLANIUM.Ur stars r fine,movies r superb,but bollywood movies r equally good but more famous.
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by Sanjeev Kumar on Feb 22, 2007 02:04 AM
Setu, Probably ur choice of hindi movies are really bad and probably you have chosen it very badly. Bollywood cinema is anyday superior than any regional movies (include tamil, telugu, malayalam and kannada), you just have to make the right choice. Recently Mani Ratnam had made the movie Yuva and I was reading comparison between hindi version and tamil version. Reviewer has clearly noticed that in acting tamil version can be made better. What I mean to say that in hindi version, all actors have excelled whereas only Madhavan had performed strongly. Probably you wouldn't agree because you have tendency to put south indian movie and south indian cities ahead of hindi movies and cities. I have stayed in Madurai for a year and lived with a telugu roommate for one year. Believe me, I might have seen more respective movies than average people. All telugu movies used to start in colleges with all stupid acts and tamil movies would be all about heroism beyond logic. Few are good and so in every language. But to say that south indian movies are better, I have to be a big stupid. In tamil there is only Kamal Hasan and in malayalam, it is only Mohan lal so there is no competition and so they get to do some good movies. This is not the case in hindi. There are so much competition that there is no monopoly. You just have to choose the right movies. The same goes in cities. The cities you have mentioned are good but then why are you comparing them with BIMARU and not with Delhi, Chandigarh, Jamshedpur, Kolkata. You need to get out of your hang over and say I am better because it is just the psychologically challenged statement. Get up and see the world. You may find that it is far better than you had expected. You can still get back to reality and it is not late. Good luck!!
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 02:51 AM
Did you say DELHI? I have lived there so please spare me that lecture. The most uncivilized city in India, if not the world. World capital of eve teasers? Pollutions is pathetic, driving - lesser said the better. Garrulous cheats. When in Delhi I am always reminded of Shobha De's quote in one of her books on punjabis "Upar se chamak dhamak, undar se maili chaddi".
It is a disgrace that it is the country's capital. Just visit Pakistan someday and see how they have maintained Islamabad, and learn from them Pakistanis. I used to be pissed at the Queen of England remember when she visited the subcontinent and remarked that Delhi was so bad when compared with Pakistani cities. I have been there and to my surprise Pakistan is much cleaner, less beggars - and you will not find people answering natures call in the open as you will in Delhi and the railways tracks and roads of Mumbai. I find the Punjabi in Pakistan less garrulous than their counterparts in India. They share a lot of characteristics - very friendly, fantastic hospitality, nice food, tough rugged strong physique - but very straighforward people. Infact I found Lahore to be the best city in Pakistan and I rate is much better than Amristsar (even though I rate Amritsar high). The common man in Pakistan is exponentially more honest than a Delhiite.
(Not related to the topic, but I was surprised to find several Malayali owned South Indian restaurants there in Pakistan!)
Do yourself a favor, search for 'Poverty in India' on Wikipedia and lo and behold you have teh pic of a family on the road in Delhi. So there you have, your Delhi is the poster child of India's poverty!
Tum yaar ghazab ki tulna karte ho - Chandigarh, shimla, Dehradun, Amritsar are decent cities. Delhi Kolkata are bad. I find that Mumbai and Chennai have some redeeming features among the 4 metros as compared to Delhi because people are nice and civilized, women are much safer. Mumbai is the only truly cosmopolitan metro in India. Delhi predominantly Punjabi / North Indian, Kolkata bengali and Chennai is Tamil.
Ranchi and Jamshedpur are no big deal at all by any stretch.
I find New Bombay very good - been there several times - fantastic place, nice people - not the garrulous pompous ignorant / arrogant types. Infact all across Maharashtra people are so decent cultured and civilized. Bangalore - lived there before the outside influx in recent years - was very good then in the late 80s and 90s. Kochi is extremely good as well.
So dont bring out Delhi, Kolkata as examples of nice cities. Buses in Kolkata are the most crowded in the country - perhaps even the world. Once inside you are lucky if you get to see when your stop has arrived through the forest of bodies, arms and legs that mesh your view.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 09:03 PM
idiot and loser, you just wrote in another thread that you never lived in North India, only tavelled extensively. Accept it you are a LIAR LIAR LIAR and a HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE
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by rahul tiwari on Feb 22, 2007 03:56 PM
1 sec Setu ,now u r insulting the national capital.i been to bangalore where my parents live since 1965.i love that place.but mind u the place has gone very congested,pathetically narrowed,no rules of road,u can't roam by vehicle b/w 8 am to 9pm.flyover construction speed is worst,it stands no where in comparison to delhi.auto drivers r completely roscals,they cheat and misbehav.ur tamilnadu state never like any outsiders,they hate hindi,they beat outsiders,they r like devils.i m really sorry to say.but its truth.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 10:46 PM
Tiwari ji, kuch piye ho kya?
Aap likhte ho, "ur tamilnadu state never like any outsiders,they hate hindi,they beat outsiders".
Ab hamare Tamil bhratron ka isme kya dosh? Uttar bharatiya bhaiyya bhaiyyaniyon ki pitaayi rozaana hamare Marathi bhai behen jamke karten hain. Jab peti aur ghathri baandh ke bhaiyya bhaiyyani Pune station me utarte hain to laat ghoosa markar ke "Hindu Hriday Samrat" maharashtrian janta bhaiyya bhiyyani to ghaseet kar vaapas uttar bharat rawana hone wali agli gaadi be phenk dete hain. Rahi baat ticket ki, rail ticket se bhaiyya bhaiyyaniyon ka kya vaasta, ticket khareedne ke jhantjat me bhaiyya bhaiyyani kabhi ulajhte hain kya? Mein bhi kya sawal kar raha hoon bhala? Hema Malini ji hal hi mein kaha ki uttar bharatiyon ko mumbaivasiyon to shikayat hai to mumbai na aayein. Bal Thackeray LTTE ke Tamil aatankwaadiyon ke bare be jahan "They are OUR Boys, we must help them" kehte hein vahin doosri aur kehte hein ki uttar bhartiyon ko mumbai nahin aane dena chahiye.
Ab Marathi bhai ke chungal se bach kar, apne veer uttar bhartiya bhaiyya bhaiyyani kahan pahunche? Assam! Aap to jaante honge ki hamare Assamiya bhai uttar bhartiyon ka swagad aarti utaar karke ya phool mala pehnake nahi karte. Assam mein to uttar bharat ke sapoot saputriyon ko pehle goli martein hai, aur sawaal baadme kartein hai.
Jab Maharashtra aur Assam mein hi bhaiyya bhaiyyaniyon ke prati jan sadharan me itna prem hai, to aap kaise ummeed kar baithe ki Chennai station mein bhaiyya bhaiyyaniyon ko idli sambhar aur vada se swagat karne ke liye madrasi janta me trahi trahi machi hai?
Madrasiyon to ajeeb anban hai aapka. Mumbai vaasiyon se laat ghoosa kha loge haste gaate, Assamiya bhai behen so goli khate ho aur chup rahte ho. Lekin Chennai me swaagat chahte hon Rajnikant wala!
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by lurkingbong on Feb 22, 2007 03:47 AM
Typical South Indian clap trap. Tamilians are generally the most communal people I have met and Madras the most unhospitable and hostile place I have set my foot on. And please come down from your South Indian movie high horse. There are only some half way decent mallu movies, Tamil and Telugu moives (generally) suck big time.
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by Dilip Kumar on Feb 22, 2007 09:54 AM
in madras no one raped a lady in police booth, nor there are murderers like surendar koli, nor stock market cheats , and madras is hostile he he he :) it is the only metro where there is no communal violence. common wake up and stop seeing ur place with rosy glasses dude.North indians are no better than south indians if u think so then it shows ur intellectual capacity
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 04:02 AM
C'mon give respect where it is due. How come South Indian movies corner a disproportionatly high number of National Film awards and South indian Literature the Jnanpith awards?
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 10:12 PM
Om,
I will never ignore a quality work when I see one. I will never ever criticize Bengali, even Oriya and Assamese works in Films and literature. These folks are rich in CULTURE and can justifiably be proud of their literature.
No will I just tar them with the brush of "North Indian" or "bhaiyya bhaiyyani"? No! Simply because I know they are cut from a different cloth. I respect GENUINE cultural and literary achievement, not fake superficial disgraceful amateurish MASALA that is touted as quality work.
Bengali, Tamil / Malayalam, Kannad, Telugu culture and literature have a history and identity that precedes / predates Hindi. Malayalam and Bengali in their pure form are the modern Indian languages that are closest to Sanskrit - Malayalam the closest. Infact these two languages have a lot of similarities too (For example Window can be 'janal' in Malayalam and 'janla' in Bengali).
These great ORIGINAL languages of India (there are some other regional languages too) have not been raped / shaped / corrupted by influences of invading Afghans and Mughals. To this day it shows in the cultured / civilized attitude of these peoples and their art / films and literature.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 01:59 PM
you ignore awards from other states like bengal, orissa etc. nowadsys hindi movies have also started getting national awards...don't blindly just focus on achievements of south indian movies...look at the world with a broad mind first
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by Vijay Dinanath Chauhan on Feb 22, 2007 10:31 PM
Mallu closest to Sanskrit? Dude you are a real arseh*le. Have you heard of Aryan and Dravidian family of languages? Nengle Per Enta is close to Sanskrit? Get a life Dude. Saala Akdam Chakdam Madrasi.
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by jibi jacob on Feb 22, 2007 10:08 AM
don't beleive the hindi critics.th one man who knows is the director, mani.Mani told clearly that tamil yuva is better.U don't clearly understand tamil.their performance look real told mani.yes vivek oberoi was better than siddharth,but surya and madhavan are better than ajay and abhishek.no actor can match mohan lal,kamal and mammooty .hindi films are waste with song and dance.there are many films better than rdb,swadesh devdas.whenever a descend film in hindi is made it is considered classic.but malayalam and tamil are much better and they are remaking it and no remake has that impact.only aamir is good shahrukh and salman with ourt any talent are stars.no one can do the performance of vikram in anniyan and pithamagan even there is heriosm.
RE:Oonchi hai building, Lift teri bundh hai.
by santosh on Feb 22, 2007 10:26 AM
I don't understand why you guys are fighting for these stars. They are paid for their job. If u r feeling bore go out watch a movie, irrespective of language. What matters is, killing your boredum and enjoying the moment.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 01:30 AM
i meant pehle shak ke ghere se bahar aaiye aur khule dimag se baat karna seekhiye.
The only actor we have is Aamir khan.. Rest are bunch of jokers.. SRK whenever he does the karan johar movies and AB post Hum. why doesnt that old man retire?
It is so surprising that two actors who appealed the most to fans of this generation could never act in the same movie. what say? High time SRK and Aamir are casted with each other in a movie.
RE:Shahrukh Khan and Aamir Khan
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 12:07 AM
Hi Omprakash,
Agree with you on that SRK and Aamir are among the most versatile actors / stars of Bollywood today and hopefully some good directors can CAST them together in a movie. They could bring out a stunning movie.
Now Om Prakash ji, I am from South - though not Tamil as you brought out in your earlier message - but can see and appreciate quality when I see it. I wont criticize it just because it is Bollywood (though most of what Bollywood does I must enlighten you is NOT quality cinema but slapstick masala). I enjoy good movies from South India / Bengali and Hindi too.
I am sorry to rain on your Uttar bharat ki garima thing, but friend Bollywood does NOT hold a candle to quality South Indian cinema. Period.
Thats my unbiased opinion. For example when it comes to Ghazals, I enjoy Jagjit Singh a lot. But I consider Ghulam Ali the best - so what if he is Pakistani?
(I know i deviate from your observation about SRK and Aamir, but just resonded to your previous post as well).
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:14 AM
Hmmm...you say that you enjoy good movies and that bollywood is slapstick masala.n that shows your lack of overall knowledge about indian cinema.
have you seen movies like arth, sparsh, lagaan, swades, black, main azaad hoon, ardh satya, parinda, damini, jaane bhi do yaaron, kabhie haan kabhie naa, andaz apna apna etc etc to name a few movies of last 20 years????? i guess not.
and have you also seen those useless movies of actors like vijay,surya,ramarajan,napoleon and those semi-porn flicks made in gult land not to mention those hopeless remakes of kannada cinema and present day decadent malayalam cinema.
mate, good movies are made everywhere as well as bad movies. no need to put one down for the sake of the other!!!!!!
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by Sreekanth Nemani on Feb 22, 2007 10:25 AM
ok... of the movies you have listed.... swades - too slow - average movie saved by the music
black - a bad copy of 'miracle worker' - overly melodramatic
main azaad hoon - Pleeeaaase...
damini - typical masala nonsense - 'yeh dhaai kilo ka haath...'
kabhi haan kabhi naa - give me a break, better triangle movies get made everyday in telugu/tamil
andaz apna apna - one of only 2-3 hindi comedies, thats why you think it is great. Every year many south indian comedy movies are made, and some of them are equally good or better.
arth, sparsh, lagaan, ardh satya, parinda - good movies. 5 good movies in last 15 yrs?? Should we start naming the good south movies in last 15 yrs.
You guys think south movies start with rajanikanth and end with chiranjeevi. That is like saying all bollywood movies are made by yash raj films.
Grow up, the first learn to seperate the timepass from the great movies.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 12:26 AM
Really, OmPrakash, "Present day decadent Malayalam cinema". Where exactly did you pull that out from, your head? or elsewhere?
I will grant you one thing. Each of those Bollywood movies you mentioned I watched (except damini) and yes I give them an A . No doubt, when I see quality I accept it. Just so you know Amitabh Bachchan is my favorite actor, even though I appreciate Sanjeev Kumar, Mohan Lal, Mammotty, Kamal Hassan, Naseerudin, Aamir, even Manoj Bajpai a lot.
(just to correct you, I do NOT like RajniKant movies - no different from typical Bollywood movies masala nonsense).
Those class movies from Bollywood span a long period in time and if anything only emphasizes that for tons of filt that Bollywood churns out you get an arth or Sholay or Black once in a great while.
Malayalam movies - and let me correct you on this - bring quality cinema on a consistent basis. Tamil films do too, but the Bollywood virus has infected their movies as well.
Unlike you I can watch and understand / enjoy movies from various Indina industry - South Indian, Bengali and Bollywood. In terms of quality film making Bollywood does NOT hold a candle to anyone.
Can you deny that Big B is being wasted by Bollywood cinema over the past 20 years. On swallow (Black - the movie) does not a summer make.
When I go watch Big B movies one after the other and come back disappointed most occassions - not because of his talent but because of the kind of films he is in - I have an option you dont. I watch quality films in other languages.
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by rahul tiwari on Feb 22, 2007 01:45 AM
u hav been quite focused on up-bihar song,sava sava...blamed AB and other,but what abt ur own telgu and kanadigga movies which surrounds on same plot.open ur eyes..u ll see bulk of movies with meaning ful pattern., most of movies of mohanlal,chirinjeevi and gr8 rajanikant have same problems.u said u like good movies of south india and bengali,but u made no tributr or even a statement on good indian movies of only last 20yrs like Black,Rang De Basanti ,Swadesh,Lagan,Devdas(little dramatical),Sarkar(true remake of God Father),swadesh,Munnabhai Sequels,Garv(a strry on riotes),parzania,black friday,page3,machis o arth.plenty of done by SRK and AB the real Mega Stars.I wander if u hav seen Anand,awara,Mother India,guide,sri 420..if u enjoy the commercial movies of ur region then why not Hum Apke hai kaun,dedas,krish,lage raho,fanaa,kuch-2 hota hai,DDLG,Sholay.or u r jst stating all this coz u r weak in our national language..
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 02:58 AM
Really, Rahul Tiwariji. So please educate me - Since when did India begin having a National Language! Please quote who declared a National Language for India. Another famous Myths from the fertile imagination of our North Indian brothers.
Please educate me, I am waiting for your response. Once you educated me about india's National Language (because I know we only have official languages - all of them including Hindi being equal) we can then decide who is how weak in that language.
Thank you my ignorant North Indian brother. But dont worry, we will together educate India, one ignoramus at a time.
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by Sanjeev Kumar on Feb 22, 2007 02:33 AM
Well said Rahul, Probably they need to take some lessons to idntify good movies. They can come up with just three names Kamal, Mohanlal and Mammotty whereas we don't have enough place to mention everyone's name. We don't even mention Naseer, Om Puri, Nana Patekar and many more!
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 03:06 AM
Rahulji, Sanjeevji, Omji
Hey how come south Indian cinema corner a disproportionately hign number of National awards for Cinema, and Jnanpith award for Literature. They must be doing something right, dont you think so.
Besides, how come Rajnikanth's masal movies gross more than bollywood hits these days, and he gets paid highest as well. Whats with that?
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:32 AM
boss...you think only you are the know-it-all??? even i have seen many south movies. malayalam cinema of today is nothing compared to the brilliant work of the 80s like dasharadam,kireedam,thaalavattam,bharatam etc etc. have you seen today's mallyu flicks??? totally nonsense and commercialised. you say tamil movies are infected by bollywood virus. ha ha ha. have u seen tamil movies of yesteryears? they were masala right from the beginning. do you want me to point out the movies of vijaykant,early movies of kamal haasan,prabhu,kartik etc do you call them brilliant????
the fact is that bad movies are everywhere in india. only south indians have some weird logic in their brains that their movies are better than others when they are as good or as bad as the rest of the regions of india.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 01:27 AM
problem is setuji, you think u know a lot but the fact is you don't.
have u seen any mallu movies of recent years? first of all have u seen mallu movies of 1980s? just compre the two and u will get an iota of what i am saying. some mohanlal masala movies of recent past to name are Mahasamudram, Baba Kalyani, Rasathantram etc. all he does in movies nowadays is twist his moustache and raise his sleeves so that all those front-benchers in kerala will whistle at his moves...what a total waste of talent from a guy who did classics like Bharatam,Kireedam etc once upon a time...Now tell me who knows better - you or me?
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 01:07 AM
Please mention the names of some MASALA movies that mammooty and Mohanlal have acted in recent years? OmPrakash ji, If you dont know something it is better to keep quite and be considered ignorant, than open your mouth and remove all doubt? Do you know that Mohanlal has won more National Awards than Big B. Mohanlal is widely expected to win another for this year.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 02:08 PM
setu you are a waste..when i gave instances of mohanlal masala movies you just escaped from the thread...you have absolutely no knowledge of your home state malayalam movies....you are out of touch with them because you stayed in North india all the time...you only want to create chaos here by maligning hindi movies and creating a war of words..shame on you
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 01:29 AM
setu ji...why do u keep contradicting yourself? actually what you said about shutting your mouth applies best to yourself...when was the last time Mohanlal won a National award? Please do some research first before uttering nonsense.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:37 AM
if you say Big B is wasted, you should watch the masala movies that Mamooty and Mohanlal act in nowadays. Man, if someone has seen their movies 15 years back, they will start crying at the total waste of acting skills.
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by varun krishan on Feb 22, 2007 07:58 AM
If you do not know your country's history dont blame others. Just read the below article and find out who declared Hindi a national language and when. Just becoz u have politicians only on Tamil level and not on National level you can consider urself aloof from others but then India from South India. And as of National Awards who really cares for them? Dont think so we even care to nominate bollywood movies for that. Talk about oscars man.. is it of any importance...
"HINDI in Devnagari script was declared the national language of India on September 14, 1950. Since then this day has been observed as Hindi Day. It was decided to fix a period of 15 years to make Hindi suitable for official use.
It was decided that in the meantime employees would learn Hindi and a glossary of technical terms would also be compiled. The deadline for such recommendations, however, has been extended time and again.
Hindi, which is the main offspring of Sanskrit, has borrowed 20,000 words of English, Persian, Turkish and Arabic origin. Similarly French, Russian, Chinese and Portuguese words have also made their way into Hindi. Those fundamentalists who say that Hindi should not import words from other languages are the enemies of Hindi.
Mahatma Gandhi while deliberating on the issue of lingua franca during the early thirties had the following five points before him:
i) Government officials should have no difficulty in learning it;
ii) It should facilitate religious, economic and political intercourse throughout India;
iii) It should be the speech of the majority of the inhabitants of India;
iv) The whole country should be able to learn it easily;
v) Temporary or passing interest should not prevail while choosing the official language.
Mahatma Gandhi was not a linguist but all these points led him to give this issue serious consideration. Since unity in diversity was India%u2019s foremost goal, he realised the importance of an appropriate language which could link the whole country. So he flirted with the idea of introducing a new language, Hindustani, to satisfy all sections of Indian society. He did make a few experiments but it was an exercise in futility. It was not long before wisdom dawned upon him that language was like a stream that springs up on its own and then follows its own path. So he had to declare in unequivocal terms that philologically, phonetically, philosophically, and by virtue of the endless inherited wealth that it carries, there was no language other than Hindi that could reign supreme."
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 09:11 AM
Welcome Varun Krishanji,
Let me release you from the darkness of your ignorance. Come, lets spread the light of knowledge in BIMARU Land - one ignoramus at a time.
All you did was quote from Gandhi's speech made in 1917 (well BEFORE India's independence at the Second Gujarat Educational Conference at Baruch). Indian constitution did NOT even exist then. Quoting Gandhi, or even God, will not make any language India's National language - unless specifically included in an article of the Constitution. Just so you know, forget South India, he faced stiff opposition to his dreams of Hindi as a National language from WITHIN Indian National Congress itself!
So is that the best you could come up with my North Indian brother!
Your story was nice. It lacks substance, and CREDIBILITY. Typical North Indian ignorance masquerading as arrogance. No source / link quoted.
Let me educate you. Indian Constitution does NOT provide for any National Language. Infact the phrase 'NATIONAL LANGUAGE' itself is scruplously avoided by the constitution.
Hindi is an OFFICIAL language, like other regional languages (listed in Schedule VIII of the Constitution). English continues to exist as a regional Language. Articles 343 to 351 of the constitution speak about the languages.
You may like to read up on the Language riots in Tamil Nadu. It will also help you understand why realistically Hindi will NEVER becomes a National Language. With the growing economic clout of the Southern States no one will dare ram Hindi as the National Language down anyone's unwiling throat.
Not that by declaring Hindi a National Language BIMARUs (Bihar, MP, Rajasthan and UP) will develop overnight.
Stop going out with a candle to find half baked information to soothe your ego, and learn to READ and ANALYZE facts dispassionately before unwittingly exposing your North Indian ignorance.
Aur aap deshbakht hain. National Award ki kadar nahin karte, magar Gori Chamadi waalon se Oscar Samman jitne ke shuhaawne khwaab bakayeda dekhte rente hain - aur bade fakar se. Shabaash mere dost.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 09:13 AM
Correction to the above - English continues to exist as an Official Language (Not regional Language as erroneously stated).
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:18 AM
do u call self-indulgent movies like abhay good??? do you call movies of rajni kan't devoid of masala??? do u call the movies of today in which mammooty and mohanlal act very artistic? do u call semi-porn flicks of chiranjeevi and venkatesh great stuff??? C'mmmmmmmmmonnnnnnnnnnnnn.
beware of any south indian especially tamil coming here and claiming some tamil star to be better than a Hindi actor. they are starved for attention and all they want is people to reply to them and indirectly talk about their stars..this thread is about AB vs SRK..why get other actors unnecessarily into it????
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by Om on Feb 21, 2007 11:59 PM
mr. fanatic, you are right. A Rajni Kan't, a Kamal Hasyan can never do a Raj in DDLJ or a Vijay Chauhan in Agneepath or a Jai in Sholay. Leave alone Black and Swades. It is beyond their acting range.
You think North comprises of only Bimaru states? That shows your total lack of knowledge of India. Not suprising that since for you the world stats in kanyakumari and ends in chennai. Have you heard of cities like Mumbai(India's commercial capital), Delhi(India's national capital), Pune(India's automobile capital), Ahmedabad(Manchester of India), Chandigarh(India's best planned city) or Kolkata(birthplace of Tagore) etc etc etc.
Do you want me to compare Shava Shava to midnight masala on Sun TV or those inane Tamil channels showing songs with navel-showing, boob-shaking half-naked women??? Well i better not as it will put you to shame and i want you to have a good night's sleep.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 06:44 AM
Phir dikha diya aapne Uttar Bharatiya sanskruti ka jahalak. Bahut prasanna honge aapke maatashri aur pitashri apne lal ke kartooton par.
Shayad inhee sanskar ke karan uttar bharat BIMARU (Bihar, MP, Rajasthan, UP) kahalata hai, or rahega.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:01 AM
and if you know most of India;s PMs came from the so-called bimaru land of UP. It is the birthplace of culture of India. Bihar is birth place of Buddhism. Name one south indian city which is known as having given birth to anything significant in the 5000 year old culture of india.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 10:25 AM
Sabse adhik PMs or MPs ke baawjood bhi BIMARU ke BIMARU rah gaye - kabhi gaur kiya is bare mein? "UP is the birth place of culture of India" - really? Can you kindly enlighten me when and how this birth took place?
So "Bihar is the birth place of Budhhism" is Bihar's eternal claim to fame. Therefore we need not work or progress any more because 2500 years ago Budhha attained enlightenment at Bodhgaya.
How about where Bihar is today? The most underdeveloped State of India! The UNDP (United nations Development Project) says it ranks worse than sub-Saharan Africa in Human development index. Which means Bihar's development indices is the worst on planet earth! Kerala on the other hand goes head to head with Western Europe. It has the best development index in the country and is considered the state with the best standard of living in India.
If you keep looking 5000 years behind, that is the direction you will continue to take. This mera Bollywood mahan doesnt translate to development my friend.
Forget 5000 years, the United States did not exist 500 years ago and certainly did not "give birth to" any religion. I am sure in your books the US is even more undeveloped than Bihar and UP. Right?
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:07 AM
difference between bollywood and tamil cinema is also the difference between Maharashtra, the most industrialised state and Tamil Nadu, industrialised but still lagging behind Maharashtra by a fair distance. Got the pont??????
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 02:13 AM
Om,
Phir wahi baat! Sawaal karte ho or 'reply' disable karte ho!
Sawal aapne kiya ki, "on a different note, clearly you seem to be a south indian brought up in north..don't know why you are so much against your northie brothers? ;) do you think that tamilians staying in Tamil Nadu are very open-minded about North Indian personalioties? Give an honest answer please".
Let me clarify, I am a south indian that spent most my years in South - Kerala to be precise - before I settled in the US. I have extensively travelled India and toured / lived briefy in most provinces of India. As for the felicity with which I write and speak Hindi - it is a combination of my interest in languages, good schooling that i was lucky to have in Kochi, and extensive reading of Hind and other literature, and north Indian friends. Incidentally I am reasonably good in other languages as well. This is not "khud ka dhindora.." but a statement of fact.
To correct you I am not against "my Northie brothers". I am against insular bigotry anywhere. I agree that in the South, our Tamilian brothers have tremendous pride for Tamil (language and culture) that they will die to protect - like they did during the language / anti Hindi riots.
I have not understood their extreme passion for their culture - but I understand that a country can survive and flourish and succeed(like Canada with French and English) without imposing one culture or language on another. (Incidentally Hindi is NOT our National Language though most North indian brothers think so. That day will never come because Tamil brothers will die / kill to confront that 'insult to Tamil').
The Tamil fanaticism I see is matched in the North. The only difference is a Tamilian will never throw the first stone, but once someone does, he will leave no stone unturned to prove he is not a pushover.
The Tamilian pride comes from a FACT that they have a very rich history / culture and literature - that PREDATES Hindi literature. Tamil is the official language of Singapore and widely spoken in Malaysia, even indonesia and several other countries.
Did you know that Tamil kings have conquered kingdoms outside India and influenced life as far as java / Sumatra, but you will never hear a Tamil brag about it. In contrast, we always hear North Indians brag about their brave kings but the reality is Not one king of North India ever conquered a foreign land. (Dont mention Taxila, Afghanistan - they were part of India which we lost!) Actually, all the brave Kings of North India never stopped ONE foreign invader from invading India. Some invaders were stopped or captured but invariably pardoned to only come back and kill / maim the Indian king (Prithviraj Chauhan comes to mind.) Actually several Indian kings helped the foreigner against his fellow north indian brother.
Long story short Subhadra Kumar Chauhan can keep writing beautiful poems about "Jhansi ki raani" the fact is when the British came to capture her kingdom she was alone, not one 'Rakhi brother' - another fake North Indian tradition ridiculed by the South - came to her support. somnath temples were plundered year after year in a shameless ritual of Indian spinelessness but it was virtually left to the Jain merchants to protect those treasures. I wonder where all the brave kings from neighboring kingdom went to hide?
unfortunately Indian History books write more about foreign invaders like Ghaznavis, Ghoris and Mughals and rarely if ever about why the Mughals never captured the South when they walked over most of the North. Rarely a mention about Vijaynagar Kingdom, or the great conquests of the Chola kings (who have even raided up to the Gangetic plains) while the north was capitulating to foreigners.
Revisionist historians from the North prefer to glorify the Mughals than focus on actual achievement of Southern Kings that have as much, if not more to be proud of.
There is this myth among North Indians that Tamils are meek cowardly people. It is not so - Just ask the Indian Army and their experiences with the Tamil boys and girl in Srilanka.
A simple answer to your question - I DO NOT think that Tamilians inside, or even outside, TamilNadu are open to North Indian anything - Personalities included. If you ask me it shouldnt bother the North Indian, just like it doesnt bother anyone in the south that the North is largely ignorant about the south.
But the fact is it does bother the North when a South Indian praises his own. A south Indian seldom protests if a North Indian feels good about his own.
That is the best I can speak about two people that I am not a part of - Tamil Vs. North.
What I can say is my opinions on how I feel. I feel we should take less pride in superficial things like language and imposing our on others, and instead on actual progress on the ground.
A Punjab or Gujarat or Bombay (other parts of Mharashtra excluding Pune and some pockets are pretty bad.) does not make India or North India.
What agitates me is that No north Indian ever screams that the Southern states are progressing exponentially especially since 1992 - and says lets pull BIMARU states up as well. Tamil Nadu ( excluding Keral area of Madras state those days) which during independence years was so backward in education is today right behind Kerala in that MOST important area of development. It is the manufacturing powerhouse of India. I dont know where you pulled your statistics on industrialization in states - Tamil Nadu is head to Head with Gujarat. (Maharashtra is NOT as big a industrial powerhouse as it seems on paper. Most industry head offices are in MUMBAI and as such the exchequer collects this revenue from Mumbai (50% of the revenue of India from one City - Mumbai!). In terms of actual industry Pune and suburbs will overtake Mumbai soon!
I have a lot of regards for the North - particularly for their industrious nature. I particularly like folks from HP - a fantastic state and people. No wonder then that Transparency Internatioal rated HP the 2nd least corrupt state after kerala.
As a malayali I am proud of Malayalam, but I am more proud of REAL concrete achievement of Keralites on the ground without being fanatic. Most literate in the country, best healthcare, longest lifespan, Least corrupt, sorry no industrial growth unlike the other southern states, but a strong service oriented industry - Tourism (declared best tourist location in the country), administration, and heavy foreign remittances (27000 crores out of total remittance of 53000 crores to India, came to Kerala), great cleanliness and beautiful landscapes.
I am proud that Kerala comes in the list of developed states of the country (infact it is considered the state with the highest standard of living in India - google it or check wikipidea). I also feel nice that all southern states are in the list of developed states in the country.
I feel sad that the biggest and main purely Hindi speaking giants - Bihar, UP, MP and Rajasthan - come in the underdeveloped list. that hurts. Particularly that UP with a population more than Pakistan and resources that are best in the country lags, and drags, the nation behind. Clearly just speaking in Hindi - or any particular language - does not make any state or nation great.
I am sure our National Pride or North indian pride should not be limited to language, or Big B, or making sure that every Tamilian bows his head infront of Big B.
Rahi baat SRK or Big B aur Mohanlal ki yeh log sab paise bator ke bank me jama karte jayenge aur hum ladte reh jayenge.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:46 AM
i agree about idli sambar thing. it is bad behaviour. but south indians are no less. they make stoopid comments like "so and so tamil star is better than AB and SRK". do u agree that this is made just to provoke others? Fine if they say that "Why are you guys ignoring Kamal Haasan. He is a great actor too". Now you tell me..which comment makes more sense the former or the latter? jaise ki kahte hai na "sheeshon ke gharon se patthar phekna".
on a different note, clearly you seem to be a south indian brought up in north..don't know why you are so much against your northie brothers? ;) do you think that tamilians staying in Tamil Nadu are very open-minded about North Indian personalioties? Give an honest answer please.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 12:39 AM
OmPrakash ji,
A quick answer to your question? Something I always love to bring to my North Indian brothers notice.
Your question is - aapko uttar bharatiyon se koi problem hai kya? woh be bharat ka ek ang hai jis dharti par ram rajya, bhaagvad gita aur baudh karma ka shristikran hua tha.
My answer is - Please go back to this thread and read who wrote anything negative about the other person's region first. Always the Northern brothers. But when someone like me comes - and WITHOUT ABUSING - brings facts out the question is IRONICALLY asked of the southern brothers "Aapko Uttar bharatiyon se problem hai kya"? How funny.
Go down this message board and check your OWN commnets and those of your other North India friends. Who threw the first stone. Even so - and I respect the south Indian decency for this - the south Indians bring facts out and have a civil discourse.
The North Indian brother typically get down to 'idli sambar, 'sala Madrasi' or something like that.
But go find out for yourself - who criticized the other on a regional basis first? (If some one just stated - " I like Shivaji Ganesan, He is best" that is not criticizing anyone. That guy just expressed his desire.
Next, dont ask a question, and then disable the 'Reply' button. Looks a bit indecent, if not cowardly.
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by Om on Feb 22, 2007 12:24 AM
theek hai...lekin jab koi "bahaar waala" aake bihari aur bollywood ko gaali dega to uske liye ghaati kya pura uttar,purab aur paschim bharat lathi le ke khada ho jayega.
aapko uttar bharatiyon se koi problem hai kya? woh be bharat ka ek ang hai jis dharti par ram rajya, bhaagvad gita aur baudh karma ka shristikran hua tha.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 12:13 AM
Ab aap to Uttar Bharat Mahan nara baazi chod kar, Maharashtra mein sharan lene bhaag pahunche? Bhool gaye ke Bhaiyya bhaiyyaniyon ko hamare Marathi bhai behen laat ghoosa maar kar vaapis Pune station se agli gaadi me uttar bharat bhej rahen hain?
RE:beware all north indians!!!!
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 22, 2007 12:17 PM
Hamein afsos aur dukh hota hai yeh dekhte huye uttar bhartiya yodha duthu, saathi Uttar bhartiya Om Prakash par is tarah tooth pade...
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"by duthu on Feb 22 Om prakash ch...d singh ,
"duthu ke hindi se yeh nahi lagta hai ki woh uttar bhartiya hai."
Loud-- ..tune chacha poore uttar bharat ka bhoj sambhalne ka theka liya hai...behenke lu-d main hoon uttar bharat ka...tO ?? poonch padh lega ?? beh--ch-d north-south karke kya teer maarega loud-...bhos-d-waala bada aaya north waala...hero hai kya north hai to ?? aur yeh setu hero ban raha south ka culture leke...jaise khud hi saara culture iske b--p ne banaya hai baith ke "
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Are bhai, yeh kaisa ghor anarth ho raha hai! Uttar bharat ke do veer yodha - Om aur duthu - Madrasi Setu Madhavan par vaar na kar aapas me hi lad rahein hai! Yeh to kadaapi uchit nahin.
Vats! Uttar bharat ki izzat ka sawaal hai. Ran bhoomi me aisa vyavhaar uchit nahin. Aise paraspar lad jhagadne se Uttar bharat ki garima ka kya hoga?
Putron, are Om aur dhutu, apne Mat-bhed samapt karo aur apne chit ekagra karo. Shatru madrasi Sethu ko parajit jo karna hai. Yahi aapka dharam hai, kartavya hai!
Magar ran bhoomi ki aur prasthan karne se pehle Matashri evam Pitashri ke charan sparsh kar aashirvad lena kaise bhool gaye? Are kidhar hain woh? Are kidhar hain MatashrI, Kidhar hai PitashrI? MATASHRI! PITASHRI!!
list of great indian actors MITHUN ( HE IS NO.1 ANY DOUBT) GOVINDA SUNIL SHETTY SALMAN (SORRY BUT I FEEL SO) SANJAY KAPOOR PRADIP KUMAR ARJUN RAMPAL KUMAR GAURAV AND HIS DAD RAJENDRA (BOTH R SIMPLY GREAT)
THESE R JUST FEW U CAN ADD ON LIST IS TOO LONG ANY SUGGESTION...
