The author of this News George Joseph is not aware of Memorandum on H1b released on 08th Jan10. Dont create false news or false interpretation. " The new rule stipulates that those who arrive on a work visa should 'arrive at the place of work" - this is 100% fasle interpretation.
... H1B visa is not a priority. save your fellow afro american christians. there is a dire need for humanitarian considerations. give citizenship to the thousands and tens of thousands of haitians. God bless you.
Re: US should rehabilitate all haitian civilians
by Rahul Verma on Jan 26, 2010 01:31 AM
Your wish will be granted soon.
Hollywood is in top gear to help you.
Once they have exhausted their monetary giving capacity, they will petition the government to help the victims by giving them the most sought-after citizenship in the world.
Moral of the story - If you want this citizenship, convert to Christianity.
In fact, you don't need to even be Haitian for this to apply.
Now do a concise cost-benefit analysis and figure out how little you've benefited from being a Hindu.
Too complicated issue but anyways we dont have any right to pinpoint other country policies ... if we work there we have to obey there rules.. in india itself states are fightin against each other... a person coming from different state is seen as a outsider...
Rediff, get your fact right before publishing important news like this. USCIS came up with new memo on 1/8/2010 which defined the new employee-employer relationship. Small company consultants woking at third party client location may have to suffer because of the new rule.It does not say anywhere that "those who arrive on a work visa should arrive at the place of work".
Re: Wrong News
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:08 AM
quote "Small company consultants woking at third party client location may have to suffer "
so, as per these "new" rules, can an H1B work at a client of the consulting company? do the client and the hiring consulting company have to colocated? in same town? in the same metro area?
Re: Re: Wrong News
by sunny on Jan 26, 2010 12:25 AM
According to the new rule getting and renewing H1's will be difficult for the small companies because they just run the pay roll of the constultants and don't have any control on the day to day activities at the client location which is voilating the new employee-employer relationship. Yeah I agree with you that its a stupid rule and legal immigrants will have to suffer.
Re: Re: Re: Wrong News
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:52 AM
abbe nalayak, that was never the case .. no consulting or staffing company has anything to do with consultants day-to-day activities at the client location
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrong News
by sunny on Jan 26, 2010 02:56 AM
aabe BSDK i know that was never the case. But USCIS want it to be like that according to the new rule.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrong News
by Amit Shah on Jan 26, 2010 04:46 AM
If consultants can produce evidence that they are under payrol of petitioner or they are are geting health or other benefits and also petitioner is filing taxes for the employee then Employer-Employee relation does exist. The employer should have the 'actual' control or the 'right' to control the employee, to hire, fire, pay, and to decide when, where, and how the employee will be employed.
Rediff is printing different story here. False propoganda. The H1B has to go to the direct employer location not the third party. At issue is a memo on the definition of "Employee-employer" relationship that the USCIS came up with a while ago. It affects H1Bs working at third party client sites.
Re: This news based on False
by siddharth on Jan 25, 2010 10:51 PM
The H1B who dont have complete knowledge who is direct employer and who is third party are unable to answer the questions put up by the USCIS and most of the H1B arrive to work for third party only and they are sent back
Re: Re: This news based on False
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:11 AM
this is palin stup1d that the guy does not know the diff between his employer/agent/da1a1 and the client ... if he has a cient, he also would know the name and address where to report
only if they haven't yet got a project yet will the poor immigrant not know his final destination (or detiny ... LOL)
Re: WHY DOESNT
by Ramamurthy Venkatarengan on Jan 25, 2010 10:53 PM
No need to go to US if they do so. They are now the beggars of the world seeking help from other nations like China, India, etc..
Re: Re: WHY DOESNT
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:14 AM
LOL ... US does not need any help from China or India .... not even in these difficult times ... these chinese and Indians can stop coming to USA and stop manufacturing nor otherwise do business with them
China's Forex reserves are US's 4 months of GDP and India's reseves are like less than a month's GDP
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHY DOESNT
by techno geek on Jan 26, 2010 05:04 AM
Why are you so pro US? Are you US citizen? Can't you see obvious inhuman, degrading & humiliating treatment meted out to these passengers? If the rules were there, why was H1B approved in the first place? to humiliate them later?
If Indians are going to the US on HIB it is because they are needed there. If they are stopped, the concerned companies will oursource the jobs to India and other countries. Either way, the US authorities are making a fool of themselves.
Re: H-1B visa-holders being deported from port of landing
by X Y on Jan 25, 2010 10:32 PM
These jobs exist in the US only because they cannot be off-shored, else they would have been moved to India/China or Brazil a long time ago.
If the employer cannot find cheap h-1b labor, then he has no recourse but to hire non-visa holders - which should easy enough in this economy as there are plenty of qualified & jobless people, who are willing to work for lower wages.
Re: Re: H-1B visa-holders being deported from port of landing
by tadaka shekar on Jan 25, 2010 10:45 PM
Funny
People who had been through this h1b and got GC does not support H1b as they are not effected. The major problem with indians is they have differences in thier community itself. GC hates H1b and Desi citizens hate GC. It goes like this. Now GC and Citizens are happy becoz they will not have H1b competition.
Re: Re: Re: H-1B visa-holders being deported from port of landing
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:16 AM
citizens dont hate GC ... in fact nothing changes between citizenship and GC wrt job prospects .... some federal jobs excluded
Re: Re: Re: Re: H-1B visa-holders being deported from port of lan
by jay b on Jan 26, 2010 12:03 AM
stupid,narrow minded, escapist and funny but very very true
once a visa issued is it not legally binding for the immigration of that country to allow the travellor a hassle free entry.absurd that rule stipulates that one should deboard at the place of work.what if there is no airport in that area then the imigration should make arrangements that straight from the airport the person is escorted to the place of work with security guards so he does not get down anyplace else.have faced the same situation though they let me in once while deplaning in w.europe and i fully sympathise with the deported.like some posts mention that the us is no longer a goose which lays golden eggs.
Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by jay b on Jan 26, 2010 12:09 AM
That is a highly overstimated no , else people would do a 3 month course and get h1b just like they do in AP but this has not happened proof is the slow filling of h1b quota this year .
Also many people in India and infact rest if the world still do not know the severe problems they would face in the US once they land and start settling down here right from
second to third class citizen status
severe weather atleast half of the year
hidden costs of owning house
lack of good culture
high rates of drug and sexual abuse
high rate of gun ownership
increasingly unprofessional work enviroment
impact of genocide of native indians centuries ago but the effect of it still is felt at a person , society level ....
Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:23 AM
second to third class citizen status - better status than India ... everyone minds own business, no interference .
severe weather atleast half of the year - they sell winter clothes in stores and homes are heated and airconditioned (in summer), 24 hr hot and cold running water
hidden costs of owning house - nothing hidden, everything upfront. rent if you cannot own
lack of good culture - individual perspective ... nothin wrong with beachwear at beach
high rates of drug and sexual abuse - you dont have to do drugs
high rate of gun ownership - ditto, you dont have to own guns ...dont go in bad areas
increasingly unprofessional work enviroment - must be your personal experience ... stillbetter than India
impact of genocide of native indians centuries ago but the effect of it still is felt at a person , society level .... - LOL
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by jay b on Jan 26, 2010 12:37 AM
your replies are like a paid agent who has been hired to neutralise any factful comments , either case your replies hardly makes sense
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by techno geek on Jan 26, 2010 05:29 AM
Although the standard of living in US is better than India in terms of machines that are provided, secondary citizen is not better anywhere you are treated secondary. In India, you always feel its your country, it feels heavenly when I return every year for vacation. Things have improved leaps and bounds every year and I think primary Indian citizenship is irreplaceable by anything secondary, because, I am the son of soil. If you sold your self respect for money, thats your choice, its better for you, not for me.
Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by Eagle on Jan 25, 2010 10:44 PM
You are dreaming man! If US allows than only people not getting good opportunity will come to US not all. Make your fact right again...There were several NRI holding Grren Card but now going back to India because getting better aspect. Not just to be a part of second citizen mob.
Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by X Y on Jan 25, 2010 10:49 PM
Sorry friend,
All the desis in the US are educated enough to get excellent work in India. And yet, they are in the US, including IIT and IIM grads. If the IIT or IIM grad - with all the opportunities in India - chooses the US over India, then someone from a lesser school/college has a higher probability of preferring the US over India.
Look at the H-1b quota. Back during the Y2K season (late 90s), it used to take months to fill up the quota. Now it fills up in exactly 1 day. The only reason it took longer in 2009 is because of the crackdown.
So you will agree that the US craze has only increased over the years.
Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by Chana Masala on Jan 25, 2010 10:46 PM
I agree with XY. Given a chance, even Manmohan Singh will migrate to the U.S. He has already sent his daughter to the U.S. After his retirement, you will find him shopping at Walmart in the U.S.
Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by jay b on Jan 26, 2010 12:11 AM
false hype , do not beleive this fellow desis , there are good no of problems in the short and long term once you start settling here.
come here for some short term exposure if you are too much impressed by the hype
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by jay b on Jan 26, 2010 04:49 AM
again to gopal panda none of your guesses is even closely right , infact i work with citizens all the time, not visited $ store for past year or so and have explored most of US
loan shark you do not even have the sense to write properly and want to prove false statements of yours by using foul language (which is easy for anybody to pickup who visits rediff messageboard)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by jay b on Jan 26, 2010 12:39 AM
to loan shark , i do Not live like you have mentioned below and my comments aren't copy paste like you either . All of it is from experience living in 4 different states and travelling for work , otherwise in atleast 15 states
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:17 AM
you must be one of those 6 living in a 1br apt ... and queued outisde the bathroom ... LOL
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by Loan Shark on Jan 26, 2010 12:56 AM
then why are you so frustrated with US ... you must have had bad experience, low paid, over worked, analraped ... LOL
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: once a visa
by Gopal Panda on Jan 26, 2010 02:52 AM
Looks like Jay b has not spoken to single Ameican citizen, he goes to office works there as servent and comes back home, and makes atrip to Dollar store, dude!! expore is what makes you man, be a man...
Now what they will do is have the people come to the city where the consulting company is based, and then from there they will be sent to the client sites. This is too easy to circumvent the rule and get past it.
Re: Re: Circumvent!
by X Y on Jan 25, 2010 10:38 PM
It is not as absurd as rediff claims. H-1bs are filed by location. As long as the individual has his paperwork in order and an itinerary leading to the right destination, he should be fine.
Even though I am on H1b too, its a right move in this regard. Desi consultants have made life hell to genuine guys. Associates are called even when they have no projects in hand,... they lie ab inhouse project to USCIS, thereafter, these associates find some chacha mama bhatija sala somewhere in US and stay with them and try to get any project.. sometimes even 6 people stay in 1 BR apt.
Re: A right move but may not be totally effective
by santosh nayak on Jan 25, 2010 10:36 PM
I think U R scared that if more IT people from india will come U may lose ur job..may b u r not competent.
Re: Re: A right move but may not be totally effective
by True Indian on Jan 25, 2010 10:20 PM
Consultants with hope?? Arent they the one who are well aware of what they are doing and their masters are doing... they are no ignorant so why should they be spared? Anyway, their deporting affects the employer too
