Mr. Jeeva, whatever you said is correct. IITs are among the best institutes of the country. Jairam has only said that they need to go some distance before they can be counted among the top institutes of the world. The stats are out there. Just compare the number of quality papers that get published in international journals with those from univs like MIT, Stanford, etc. Just look at how many companies get incubated in the research labs of the top univs. Having said that, Jairam has his own govt to take the blame, at least partially. The funding spent on research in the IITs is peanuts compared to what they spend in the top univs. The bottom line is we (not just IITs, but the overall education system) should keep looking for ways to keep improving.
These saffron institutes hv not proved their worth. Jayram ramesh is an ex IITian. He should be so frustrated that so whole heartedly he should hv expressed his views.
There should be level play in the Job market. Whereas, these saffron institutes hv monopolised the job market. The unreasonable salary differences in the job market should be immediately addressed.
For creating a monopoly and depriving others should viewed seriously by the competition commission of India.
Fully agreed Mr.Jeeva. But here are some more facts: In the last 45 years many have become SSLC, Intermediate, 2 toppers,how many have consistently performed throughout after wards? So, the minister is partly right and let me know of those toppers as I know many have failed miserably in the later courses etc; The fact remains - our student still go abroad for education and parents with extra money opt for that. V.Sivasubramaniam
Ramesh is both right and wrong.He is right on the faculty and wrong on the students. The mandate of the IITs was to create engineers and technologists not marketing gurus, hr profiessionals, and merchant bankers or even politicians like himself. IITs are the most useless but highly pampered institutes in the country. Two cheers to Ramesh for inginting a much needed debate.
Re: Ramesh is both right and wrong
by A P on May 25, 2011 07:56 AM
absolutely.. u couldn't have been more correct.. IITs were meant for technology and research , not for producing Investment bankers and Brand Managers..
Re: Re: Re: Ramesh is both right and wrong
by Observer on May 25, 2011 04:07 PM
Sure ... there is no myth about IITs. But it's good brand. No need to be jealous. You can prove your worth inspite of which institute you have studied at.
Instead of emotional response, a careful analysis of the statement is needed.
Who made the message? JR as minister or politician
Main message: Students at such institutes are good (world class), not faculty.
Who is the audience? media, voters, IITs, parents of students, students themselves?
Purpose of message? create a useless debate, to criticize some one, or promote some other institutions or improve IITs or deflect attention from other issues in public gaze?
What is the context? Private and Foreign direct investment bill in higher education infrastructure or any other.
What remedial actions, if any, are proposed in the message?
Why feedback is not given to the concerned ministry and suitable corrective action not initiated?
What accountability will the Government take with regard to its role as overseer of quality of education to address the deficiencies.
How does this fit in the context of prior statements of Education Minister, GoI, etc? Serves as groundwork for campaigning for foreign investments and institutes in India.
Potential beneficial impact of statement on voters: small
Potential adverse impact of statement on voters: negligible (too few faculty and too apolitical for it to have any repercussions, too small number of students enter IIT so it should not matter in terms of votes either).
Potential beneficial impact of FDI in higher education for politician: perhaps significant.
Can some one compare how the IIT students from non quota do as compared to quota students who come in with lower qualifying marks fare in their career. The capability of the faculty in providing such students real quality education would then be visible and available to judge transparently. if the imbalance continues, you have to agree with Ramesh that it is the quality of the intake that makes an IIT an and not the faculty. If they even out then the institute and the faculty would have done justice to their brand.
Re: IIT Faculty
by Arun on May 25, 2011 07:47 AM
All Indian educational system is bullllshit and you wanna rate the best amongst them? Quaota or non quota, all you require is to jus mugggup and vomit. No commonsense. Weird system and un natural praises.
No one knew anyone who reached the level of Dr. Abdul Kalam who is a Diploma holder from MIT. Period.
I am an alumni of IITK. Does Ramesh has any idea what is reseach? One can feel the actual meaning of "reseach" when he/she is doing a full time phd. u can never realize just by doing one or two projects in one or two sems. I will ask Ramesh to publish one paper in reputed intl journal in one year. How many papers he has? I think nothing. And he is making comments on reasech in IITs. Ridiculous!Yes, we can do much better if we have the world class instrumental facilities and sufficient funds. These are the main concerns right now, not the quality of either faculties or students.
Re: Research paper
by krishna sumanth on May 25, 2011 09:23 AM
Comeon dude. To criticize Sachin, does one have to score a hundred 100s? Looks at the content, not the background of the speaker. To be fair to Jairam, it is not even criticizing that he has done. He has just pointed out something that can be improved. It is like telling Sachin has played a reckless shot in a crucial man. IITs are good, no doubt. But, yes the quality of Research done there cannot be compared with what they do in univs like MIT, Stan, Harvard, UCB, etc. How many new tools/languages/methodologies/devices/companies have our IITs been able to incubate in their research labs? Having said that, Jairam should have also pointed out the amount of funds allocated for research in these univs. That's the point that needs to be raised, not the number of papers in XYZ journal that Jairam has published
next betray the country and go to America. The excuse that they remit earnings to India is all BS. Non-IIT Indians who go to America or Gulf countries remit their earnings to India as well. Secondly, the "trickle-down economics" is valid for scamsters like Raja as well. IIT-ians who got to America after getting free govt funded education in India are thieves like any other corrupt Indian stealing Indian money for personal benefit.
