so wat if india is partitioned?atleast there wud be many new prime ministers, many new ministers.even nehru did the same.he wanted to be PM so he partitioned india.
Re: Partition- so what?
by JGN on Jun 06, 2010 06:46 PM
upper castes hatred towards Muslims as Malechaas accelerated partition of India and not Nehru's lust for power!
the dalits of india are not allowed to pray in mandir they do it from outside or from any separate place for them , the dalit cant be priest , still today in inida they cant take water from the well or tube wll where upper caste people draw water
Re: dalit
by JGN on Jun 06, 2010 06:48 PM
but why Dalits choose to remain low castes? Why don't they convert to Islam or Christianity collectively? Radical problems need radical solutions!
There are only two castes.THE HAVES and THE HAVE NOTS. Let the census record their income, their assets,declared and undeclared. There should be reservation only for the have nots.
Re: the caste divide
by hotz on Jun 06, 2010 12:42 PM
Nice logic but present scenario is Both have and have nots from upper caste still have their social heirarchy to still oppresses the have and have nots of lower caste.Reservation is not an employment scheme it is a social upliftment initiative of socially oppressed and exploited to represent themselves in an exploitative society based on caste based hagemony.Reservation exists because of caste if caste is rooted out reservations will be also done with.Any person who even has a basic statistic knowledge will know that this campaign of rediff is one sided and biased,accumulating one sided opinion for a very long time keeping it in the headlines to get biased results.If the alternative supporting caste based census was there it would receive even more support and rediff must do it
Re: Re: the caste divide
by Rupakshi on Jun 06, 2010 06:10 PM
Hotz, When would you have social equality, having privileges for ever keeping the caste and at the same time criticizing the caste. What you write makes sense only to you.
Re: Re: Re: the caste divide
by hotz on Jun 06, 2010 07:09 PM
Nice hypocracy!This is the official stat for exploitation on the weakest and innocent people in India
27 atrocities against Dalits every day � 13 Dalits murdered every week � 5 Dalits' homes or possessions burnt every week � 6 Dalits kidnapped or abducted every week � 3 Dalit women raped every day � 11 Dalits beaten every day ..These are official statistics of the shameful practice of caste. while people of upper caste have had positive discrimination for 2000 years.Now that you are in the receiving end of the same caste system you have created you are crying foul for giving affirmative action to your victims..The census will put the accurate caste population so ones who are enjoying too much and exploiting in terms of majority claimed from 1931 data can find their decline of population and when the lower caste of majority find their true population.The caste based hagemony and exploitation will weaken further..This hue and cry are made by people who do not want to give up what they falsely claim
Re: the caste divide
by JGN on Jun 06, 2010 06:45 PM
Annashri, In that case, India should have been uder the rule of Maoists/ Leninists but that is not the case and therefore, your comment is invalid!
US needs INDIA to eliminate crime in US using a MINORITY REPORT style operations, SO that US police dont have to do any work and neither its military and it can freeload INDIAn peoples minds with its crap. Most people must have watched the 2002 movie MINORITY REPORT if not please go and watch it on your cable or read it on Wiki. These people want to overburden Indians with their HOMELAND security all for free. People should stop cooperating with government for the UID because it is a step in that direction. HOW ABOUT IN THE EVENT THAT PREVENTING CRIME IN US AND UK, IT GETS TRANSFERRED TO INDIA. ALL IT AND BPO INDUSTRY IS ABOUT PREVENTING CRIME IN US AND UK.
caste is the part and parcel of India, atlest from the day the Aryans arived in this country.Till now and for ever it will be in India even outside India wherever Indians live.Because caste gave for some previlages and for some no privalges,thereby fighting one agaist other,those who got privilages say no but still they maintain there caste as a pride but others wanted because to get developed on identification of them for development which was denied for centuries.There is nothing wrong, in any case they are not the creators of the caste but God himself as it is said. caste is a foundamental recognition in India,every thing is associated with caste.Any one dening is fooling themselves and others also.caste is the base for identification and status in the society and developmental position of that group.If India wants to develop all sections must develop,to select the group, caste is the primary base.In all respects caste based census is right Government can not ignored it.
Re: caste based census
by Rupakshi on Jun 06, 2010 06:14 PM
When did Aryans arrive Mister?. Caste was a natural evolution for survival of a state. If Ravana was a Dravidian, the caste was already there. Do not bring this illusion that some group came and imposed. If Aryans came and brought caste, how come in the land of Aryans (probably Europe in your view) does not practice as it exists in India?
I think this is totally illogical to say that this will partition India. This is a particular thought which Rediff want to entrust upon its readers. Have you seen any partition by the caste based reservations in last 63 years ? In fact this will give a clarity how the caste based reservation need to be changed ? As in the backward castes, the real benefits are being used by only specific castes and actual backward are still not getting any benefits. If you are really serious about proper media reports, then do publish even the views which are in favour of caste based census.
Re: me_prime
by Rupakshi on Jun 06, 2010 06:18 PM
India was not divided by Indians. British used the Hindu Muslim distinction and effectively used to weaken the subcontinent. Hindus paid a dear price, particularly those who were caught in the land of their forefathers which was declared Islamic henceforth. They could not identify a clear caste for further division. If they found it they would have. Even they missed the chance Mahatma gave. If some more time passed, they would have made a Dalit land. In fact, Hindu Muslim separation and idea came from Mahatma's slogan "Hindu Muslim unity".
Although Indians much like Europeans, Africans, Arabs, Chinese have many similar characteristic sharing many common culture and customs, yet a Bengali is different from Tamils, Punjabi different from Gujarati. India is not a homogeneous society and just cannot be brushed with one color. Each individual have an identification by which he or she can proudly show kinsmanship and brotherhood. They have their own belief, customs, culture that has evolved over centuries of refinement by men and women of each community. They also show many similar genetic traits although there is much overlap amongst different ethnic tribes and clans. Actually there is no caste in Hinduism. the word caste is a Portugese word. The hindi equivalent is "jat" i.e. the clan to which the individual belongs to. Each jat have a niche connected to their livelihood, hence we have Kaystha, Brahmins, Baniyas. Vaishyas, Krishi etc. We must show respect to ech ethnic group and provide according to their beliefs and customs. Even in urban India we have those who are professionals like doctors(physicans and surgeons), lawyers (Advocates and Solicitors), computer engineers, mechanical engineers, teachers (Maths and Hindi), Salesman and Managers, army jawans and army officers all these are modern castes and accordingly we give them status in terms of importance and contribution to the society.
Re: Caste is an important part of Indian Anthropology
by JustToHammer on Jun 05, 2010 08:40 PM
Brahmin, Vaishnaya , Shudra, and Kshatriya are vernas that were imposed on indians later. They are not castes. Any Caste can wear that verna and in current generation all government and private sector employees are shudras only....
Hindu or Hinduism is never a religion nor will be a religion. Caste(in english) or Jat(in Hindi) or something in other language is just a community of people sharing common traditions, cultures and beliefs. Nothing to do with portugese or someone else.
Caste is older than religion and all the Gods who are being prayed belonged to some castes only.
Re: Caste is an important part of Indian Anthropology
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 04, 2010 02:32 PM
subcastes are more important than the castes.....take the census to the root of the caste system from the lowermost caste within a caste to the highermost one!!!!!!
