This is a very dangerous move in the long run for the quality of education in the country. In fact, there should be detention for each year from first class on. The quality of graduates and professionals today as compared to the matriculates of yesteryears is already so poor. The private schools in particular are giving very high scores to the students to show a bright image of their schools without bothering to impart proper education. If there is no exam for 10 class as well, there will be no drop out upto 12 standard. The government can safely claim majority of the population as matriculates even if a good junk of them cannot write alphabet. Just to show colorful statistics and fool people, the move is made by the government. Such thing is not expected, at least from well educated person like Kapil Sibal. Such things will put the image of the country in poor state in the outside world. What is expected is improved quality of education including in government schools, not mere certificates of completion of matriculation of Plus 2.
Re: Very dangerous move
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 01:21 PM
These are beneficial only for elite class. Suicides, pressure, stress is only in their families. A middleclass or a pooor will definitely work hard to get good marks and will never be under stress or think about suicide. ITs only the expectation of the elite parents from their children that they feel stressed and commit suicide. As it is the earlier HRD ministry under singh had drastically reduced the syllabus of the central school subjects. The state subjects and syllabus are much better. Again the syllabus was reduced for the babus children who just party and dont study. my child in primary class in KV doesnt have anything to study but gets A . Now how should I compare her with a state student who has huge syllabus and still gets 1st rank. A on what basis, Homework, classwork, handwriting and all other silly aspects????
Re: Very dangerous move
by Amit Shukla on Jul 01, 2009 01:44 PM
What is your understanding of education. I have seen the competition till getting selected into an IIM but nowhere I could understand the value add provided by class 10th exams or the marks bases structure. How does it help in anyway in life or success in life. Infact this is the biggest rotten thing in entire academic system
Re: Re: Very dangerous move
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 02:15 PM
amit once you are in 20s you are on your own and get to know about competition and about yourself. Dont you think a teenager ought to know his capability or their parents??? How can you measure your capability in which subject when you are getting marks from a influential teacher.???? You are talking about IITs and IIMS those are once you cross the bar, to cross that bar you should know yourself where you stand.
Re: Re: Very dangerous move
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 02:17 PM
And amit just go through the books of class 5th and class 6th. You say them to be reformed??? There is nothing to read in them and atonce when you are in 12th you are loaded. Does it make sense.
Re: Very dangerous move
by Pranab M on Jul 01, 2009 01:55 PM
All exams should be scrapped , we OBC,SC,ST s should get job.
We OBCS,SCS and STs have been deprived of basic amenities for 5000 years , exam is nothing but upper caste's vicious plan to give us poor marks , so all exams should be abolished , we should be given a doctorate degree from IITs and be given a job in DRDO,ISRO,etc as a scientist , we should be called Dr. OBC, Dr. SC and Dr. ST respectively
How long are we going to tolerate this 5000 years of deprivation ?
I appreciate the idea. It will save many mothers of their tension so that they will not have B.P at young age.I also suggest that system of education should include apart from language training classes human behavior and technical education like crafts, carpentry work, electrical work, automobile work and other likes so that children learn to work. Present system of education has only put the youngsters in such a situation that they feel shy to work and think that they have completed degree and will do only white collor jobs and they settle for a pune's job and they do not want to do cleaning work also. Lab our problems have become so much that people are looking forward to Nepal for workers. This type of education is only making the children lazy and good for nothing.
The jokers in pack of cabinets tries to some thing different but at whose cost and future prospect? The rotten examionation system OF US is facing brunts now but our ministers can not see the obvious. While US is trying all those things which INDIA is practicing---banks control,regulatory regimns-SWADESHI US,EDUCATION ...etc OUR FOOLS ARE BUSY COPING US SYSTEMS WHICH TESTED ON TIME HAVE FAILED!!!! IF INDIA WANTS TO BE NUMBER ONE THEN HAVE OWN IDEAS AND CREATIVITY.With best of coping you will be still number two only.
Re: Death Knoll
by Pranab M on Jul 01, 2009 01:55 PM
All exams should be scrapped , we OBC,SC,ST s should get job.
We OBCS,SCS and STs have been deprived of basic amenities for 5000 years , exam is nothing but upper caste's vicious plan to give us poor marks , so all exams should be abolished , we should be given a doctorate degree from IITs and be given a job in DRDO,ISRO,etc as a scientist , we should be called Dr. OBC, Dr. SC and Dr. ST respectively
How long are we going to tolerate this 5000 years of deprivation ?
I hail the decision of Shri. Kapilji Sibbal as the best decision taken over by the politician ever in the history of our Indian Parliament. Not only this decision stood as historical but i appreciate the guts of this torch bearer of the 21st Century. In the name of SSC exams many students have ruined their life irrespective of their extra ordinary skills. Till now, the marks scored in Maths, Science, Social Studies and languages are deciding factor for the future of a Student irrespective of his own choice.
Kudos Mr. Sibbal sahab. Dont wait for more discussion on this subject as Mr. Amartya sen correctly named us as "Argumentative Indians". We know only arguments and this for and against arguments will never end. Pl. do away with this SSC exams immediately sir.
Re: BEST DECISION IN THE HISTORY OF OUR INDIAN POLITICS !!!
by Pranab M on Jul 01, 2009 01:55 PM
All exams should be scrapped , we OBC,SC,ST s should get job.
We OBCS,SCS and STs have been deprived of basic amenities for 5000 years , exam is nothing but upper caste's vicious plan to give us poor marks , so all exams should be abolished , we should be given a doctorate degree from IITs and be given a job in DRDO,ISRO,etc as a scientist , we should be called Dr. OBC, Dr. SC and Dr. ST respectively
How long are we going to tolerate this 5000 years of deprivation ?
To me this means a step thought by the Government in the right direction. The job market is drying up day by day and a lot of insecurity is creeping up for the days to come. Education is definitely becoming very expensive and high quality education is destined to move away from the financially backward. New emerging automation technology is lessening the need for additional manpower further eroding the options available in the job market. So its clear higher education is not meant for everybody and if you don't have the means to support yourself you can opt out and do something else. Well in the future less of high educated jobless and more of primary educated jobless. Good thought for the future!!!
Re: A Step in the right direction
by markand desai on Jul 01, 2009 01:10 PM
NEXT STEP IS WHY ANY EXAMS? GIVE DEGREE ON PAYMENT. NO STUDY NO TENSION NO BURDON?HA...HA... HA... WHAT AN IDEA SIRJI?sORRY SARDARJI?!!
Re: Re: A Step in the right direction
by Amit Shukla on Jul 01, 2009 01:46 PM
Mr. Markand it is about 10th class exams, how does it tests your ability to understand. One cannot help but appreciate the intellect shown by Kapil Sibal on this front.
Re: A Step in the right direction
by ankyr on Jul 01, 2009 12:51 PM
This process wil come as a relief for rich guns,,,those who dun study or dun attened schools ...once board criteria wil be abolished with internal assesments , there wil b no worries for richi richs ,,,every non deserving kid wil be goin to upper classes without ne fuss,,,n no doubt,it wil generate business for schools also ,,,,big game into play ,,,,
Re: Re: A Step in the right direction
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 01:04 PM
s..ankyr you are absolutely right. These are beneficial only for elite class. Suicides, pressure, stress is only in their families. A middleclass or a pooor will definitely work hard to get good marks and will never be under stress or think about suicide. ITs only the expectation of the elite parents from their children that they feel stressed and commit suicide. As it is the earlier HRD ministry under singh had drastically reduced the syllabus of the central school subjects. The state subjects and syllabus are much better. Again the syllabus was reduced for the babus children who just party and dont study. my child in primary class in KV doesnt have anything to study but gets A . Now how should I compare her with a state student who has huge syllabus and still gets 1st rank. A on what basis, Homework, classwork, handwriting and all other silly aspects????
The proposal to scrap Class X exams is good and should be welcomed. A large number of students and their parents will be relieved of the stress and tension associated with Class x exams.
Education up to Class XII is only intended to equip children to handle day to day affairs in the society; and this does not require any knowledge of algebra, geometry, trigonometry, physics or chemistry. What they need is only a working acquaintance with the subject to help them choose a suitable vocation for which they have aptitude.
It is only after Class XII, the students decide whether to go to college for higher education or take a vocational course. At this stage they can study the subjects appropriate to the courses selected by them.
Marks system should be abolished and grades should be introduced. There shall be no failed candidates.For each grade, the level of proficiency should be stated, i.e. how much the student has mastered and not how much he has not mastered.
Outside the school, the employing institutions can stipulate the grade they expect for each job advertised.
Lastly, schools are there to help students to acquire knowledge. School leaving certificates will indicate the level of proficiency by grades and it is up to the employer to decide who is suitable for a particular job.
Re: Scrapping of Class X Board Exams
by Pranab M on Jul 01, 2009 01:56 PM
All exams should be scrapped , we OBC,SC,ST s should get job.
We OBCS,SCS and STs have been deprived of basic amenities for 5000 years , exam is nothing but upper caste's vicious plan to give us poor marks , so all exams should be abolished , we should be given a doctorate degree from IITs and be given a job in DRDO,ISRO,etc as a scientist , we should be called Dr. OBC, Dr. SC and Dr. ST respectively
How long are we going to tolerate this 5000 years of deprivation ?
Re: Scrapping of Class X Board Exams
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 01:05 PM
s..ankyr you are absolutely right. These are beneficial only for elite class. Suicides, pressure, stress is only in their families. A middleclass or a pooor will definitely work hard to get good marks and will never be under stress or think about suicide. ITs only the expectation of the elite parents from their children that they feel stressed and commit suicide. As it is the earlier HRD ministry under singh had drastically reduced the syllabus of the central school subjects. The state subjects and syllabus are much better. Again the syllabus was reduced for the babus children who just party and dont study. my child in primary class in KV doesnt have anything to study but gets A . Now how should I compare her with a state student who has huge syllabus and still gets 1st rank. A on what basis, Homework, classwork, handwriting and all other silly aspects????
Re: Re: Scrapping of Class X Board Exams
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 01:10 PM
When my daughter till 5th I cldnt judge her who she fared with her class mates due to grading. I was happy that she was entering secondary and I though I cld now judge her cause from 6th it was ranking, but as soon as she stepped in 6th ranking was scrapped and grading started, I am at square one. And Now when I was dependent on board exam to judge her the next year, again I am to square one since its being scrapped. How should I judge her. Will the teacher not favour her pet students. Will there be any transperancy. Do the central school teachers who are on the verge of retirement have any standard. Do they teach well, does the school fill in the teachers who get transfer or retired during the acedemic year, this happens every year. A pvt. teacher who is not experienced is recruited for the stop gap period. This way childrens education is getting spoiled. First the teachers who get salary automatically should be scrutinized and should be made accountable.
This is an excellent move by our MHRD Minister and needs to be commended for this out of the box thinking. One uniform school board for one India is an excellent idea. Scrapping of 10th exams and introducing grading system is superb. Entrance to professional college be it medicine or engineering should also be uniformly administered with each college having intake for local state students as well as a good percentage of out side state students. This is national integration at grass root level. An engineering council to administer changes in sylabus every four years for professional education as well as introducing national level new courses will also help the nation building process. Bravo!!! it does look like the center is moving in the right direction. MHRD please implement the changes at god speed.
ALL STUDENTS THOSE WHO WANT TO GOTO 11TH STANDARD , 1) HE MUST BE REGULAR IN ATTENDANCE, 2) MONTHLY EXAM ALWAYS PASS MARK 3) INTERNAL ALWAYS GOOD 4) HE MUST HAVE LEARNED TWO LANGUAGES THOROUGHLY 5) EXTRA CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES MUST 6) PUNCHUALITY, BEHAVIOUR , ATTITUDE AND TEMPERMENT - HE MUST PASS
Re: EXAM NOT NECESSARY
by markand desai on Jul 01, 2009 01:12 PM
HOW DO YOU CHECK WHAT ALL YOU HAVE PROPOSED " UNBIASED" WITHOUT THIRD PARTY KNOWN AS BOARD?
at present we see a good percentage of students comming up to 9 th standard even without knowing fundementals, there are even chidren who do not know the basic alphabets even in their mother tounge, the teachers in elementary classes are not held accountable and the burden lies heavily on teachers of 9th and 10th who are held accountable for the failing students, if even 10th standard exams are scraped then the same situation will continue up to 11th standard- this will only help the teachers of 10th standard . Are we going to help our children or keep them ignored for a couple of years more
Re: Scrapping Class X board exams
by vamsi nori on Jul 01, 2009 12:19 PM
Do you think exams ensure that fundamentals are known? He is only scrapping board exams, not all evaluation and assessment. There will be internal exams, project assessments and so on. So lets wait and see till the whole picture becomes clear.
Re: Re: Scrapping Class X board exams
by RR on Jul 01, 2009 01:14 PM
INternal exams> B.Sht Only influenced lot, corrupt lot will get good marks and the genuine ones will get bad marks. Had it been board it wld reverse. So who is benefitted a guy like you??
Re: Re: Re: Scrapping Class X board exams
by Shyam Sunder on Jul 01, 2009 01:17 PM
The students who take private tuitions with the teachers will be given A grade in Internal Assessments, not the poor but bright students. This is easy way out for teachers to make more money. They may even demand money to award marks and grades in the new system and the so far somewhat better teachers not touched by corruption would also become corrupt.
Re: Scrapping Class X board exams
by Shyam Sunder on Jul 01, 2009 01:14 PM
I agree with you 100%. Just by postponing the failure of a student by two more years you are only elevating a bit higher before failing him. After all 15 years is not very young. In most of the western countries at 15, parents stop taking care of children and ask them to earn their own. In India, we want to carry the children piggy-back even after they are married and have children. If a boy or girl studies daily for atleast 2 hours, there need be no tension of exams in March/ April. Parents only need to ensure that children study regularly instead of study in february, write in march and forget in april strategy. In fact the yearly detention system should be brought back.
Re: Re: Scrapping Class X board exams
by Amit Shukla on Jul 01, 2009 01:48 PM
Is the life only about Pass and Fail. This is something rotten about the system. And for that matter 10th class exams are hardly to judge even an merit. Most of the people who studies in 90's know that people topping in 10th or 12th do not necessarily get selected into engineering or medical exams. This is primarily because of the rotten way of evaluating and nondeterministic nature of 10th exams
The move by Human Resources Development Minister Kapil Sibal to do away with X board examination, or make it an optional choice; and to have single board exam across the country for class XII is undoubtedly a wise step in the right direction in revamping and redesigning the education system in the country.
Some states in the country have already decided to do away with 10th class examination as a prerequisite to vocational training programmes. Now they will be governed by XII class result.
There is need to infuse quality content in high school education, with qualified and trained teachers; and the vocational preference of students must commence at the school level as per pupils taste. This will prepare students for qualitative leap in the plus 2 level of study, to become better professionals.
Greater focus must be given to train students in job oriented skills, to be artisans in various fields, like masonry, carpentry, smithy etc. Such measurers will go a long way in improving and reviving our country’s rural industrial scenario.
Re: Scrapping Class X board exams is a welcome move
by dravidfan on Jul 01, 2009 12:31 PM
Mr.Raghuram,
I won't agree with your point "single board exam across the country for class XII". Because, the quality of teaching, school accessibilty, infrastucture, Rural Vs Urban ratio etc are not even across the states in India. As per stats, few southern states and west of india are far developed compared to the rest of the states in India. So, it may end up in domination.
Re: Re: Scrapping Class X board exams is a welcome move
by Shyam Sunder on Jul 01, 2009 01:19 PM
I am sorry, you are wrong drafidfan. These days most of the places are occupied only by biharis not the South Indians.
