Re: What India
by MeraBharatMahan on May 24, 2009 04:47 AM
all the world knows what you want ultimately. Your tribe(I purposefully dont qualify it as a religion) is such that it sells the same bosom that feeds you..
Re: Re: Re: What India
by MeraBharatMahan on May 24, 2009 07:08 AM
yeah we know where your osama bin laden is putrefying - in this own sh!t and ur1ne. So will be you and your ummah.. when hindus and jews join hands thats when you know what you want - your sh1tty life or ummahh!!
anyway the people of your tribe are know to sh1it in the same plate they eat from!!
AFter elections, there are a number of interviews by the English Media with BJP leaders. Panel discussions with RSS and BJP men in attendance - where the moderator (usually a puffed-up, self-important, half-educated, prima donna types) is actually sober and not hounding down the speakers.
I wish Mr. Tarun Vijay had written such a piece BEFORE THE ELECTION (for what ever it would have been worth) - or had he written something similar and rediff promptly banned it??? We never know.
As I have written in my previous post, the BJP needs to just reinvent itself and make its packaging more "trendy n cool". I am NOT being trivial - its all about marketing today and hence thought needs to be given to "brand positioning" in an analogous sense.
BJP also needs to start its own media channel and use it as a medium not so much to propagate ideology but also to have people engage in topics that are in national interest. Debate must be encouraged - and people made to see for themselves how the shameless, sinister, anti-national elements in the UPA are NOT AT ALL SECULAR. How can UPA call itself secular, when parties like MIM support it? MIM is the biggest communal party in the country?
The definition of "Secular" as the English media has almost made us believe in - thanx to their partisan patronage of the UPA types - needs to be redifined. Does "secular" mean being "anti-Hindu"? Does "secular" mean pampering Muslimes?
Re: Media space to BJP and Hindutva AFTER the Election
by kumar on May 24, 2009 04:32 PM
We had 1000 years of slavery and so the muslim kings collected all funds of temples for themselves , it was followed by British and now by Indian govt?? are we really free?? No where in world temple money is taken by governments. Its donated by people for welfare of temple, religion and poor and not to be taken by govt for its corrupt practices misdeeds, Why money of Tirupati je, Puri, Shri Vinayal Mandir etc etc taken by govt? Why Vatican/ Mecca Medina like cities build and why Hinduism preachers college not opened there so that they do missionary work for development of India ??
BJP is secular, Congress is a political crook: Nowhere in its electoral posturing has the BJP demonstrated the kind of bias for or against any community as the Congress's Manmohan Singh did when he declared that Muslims had the first right on all of India's resources.
Given the Congress party's soiled track record over the past 60 years -- Bhindarawale's rise, a culture of sycophancy and political corruption, negligence of national infrastrucure (education, health, the list is long), fuelling insurgencies for political objectives in Assam and elsewhere, uncontrolled Naxalism -- it is foolish to suggest that the Congress is inclusive or even progressive.
Brilliantly written and logically argued Mr. Vijay!!! Kudos to you!!! Pls dont worry - there are large sections of educated people in this country who are frustrated at the shameless hypocrisy and double standards of the Congress, our "seklaar phorces" and most wretched of all, the English media (that is completely bought out and controlled by Westerners who are hell bent on weakening the Hindu spirit). I am ashamed that we have such a partisan media.
BJP's loss is not to be construed as a defeat of Hindutva. Far from it. It only strenghtens our resolve to dig deeper and prepare to fight such invisible but formidable anti-national forces ranged against us.
What the BJP needs to do is the following (my personal view): 1. Package itself better - in today's world, packaging is king, and the BJP has not gotten its act right. Hindutva sounds too old-worldish, orthodox. The youth today, brought up on reality shows, TV soaps and Channel V, are too dumbed down (not entirely their fault) to understand the nuances of the Hindutva argument - they are easily misled to think its "uncool" by the so called secularists of JNU. 2. Start campaigning EARLY, get your manifestos prepared in ADVANCE. And spend adequate time TALKING ABOUT. 3. Build national presence, the alliane stuff is dysfunctional. 4. Hindus almost apoligise for their existence (they have been conditioned by the Brits and now by the JNU types and the English media) - strategise to counter thse two effectively
Re: A nation of foolhardy people
by kumar on May 24, 2009 04:39 PM
Is there need to worry if our hands are clean but we are implicated falsely. God is giving us this test to see how we bear ignominy and calumny with clear and unmuddled mind. As usual our BJP will come out in flying colours with the Lord Krishna's Grace! Patience is the order of the day! Jai Hind! What goes up comes down... the unseen waters sustains the roots and gives fruits! ALL 150 POLITICALY ACTIVE NDA/ BJP MEMBERS WON. NEED MORE , WHO ARE GROOMED WELL FOR 5 YEARS IN EACH CONSTITUENCY TO WIN ~ NEED NON CONTROVERSIAL FACE LIKE MMS TO LEAD THIS TEAM INSTEAD ADVANI WHO IS DROWNED in RATHYATRA, JINNAH, BABRI etc
I hated the Congress' stand on reservation, on the Ram Sethu and its choice of president. My vote was all set for the BJP.
And then the Ram Sena came up in Karnataka. Modi was presented as the next in line. Even if the Ram Sena is not associated with BJP, these sort of mad goons take confidence from the BJP in power.
I respect Hinduism tremendously. But, I think India must be secular - no two ways about it. The BJP lost my vote simply because they encourage polarization within India. I cannot accept fundamentalism. Accept your loss, Tarun Vijay. To me it seems like it is your responsibility completely. For constantly misreading this inherent secularity within Hindus in India.
Re: Real Analysis
by Sudhir on May 24, 2009 03:07 AM
There is a fine line between supporting Hindu causes and not polarizing people. To some extent, isn't it inevitable that polarizing will happen if they take up Hindu causes?
I heard similar views from a couple of my friends who switched from Cong to BJP. Events like Mangalore, Sadhvi Pragya etc. have been associated with BJP even if the party was not involved in it. I believe BJP should stick to its core while making sure that they do not become fundamentalists. While supporting Hindu causes, they should ensure that whoever crosses the line is strongly opposed - whether it is Ram Sena or Varun Gandhi.
BJP should stick to its core of supporting Hindu causes and strengthening its institutions, without having a confronting other religions, while ensuring they strictly deal with people who cross the line to take law into their hands.
Only problem that I see in India is resource mismangement. It is still a large country with highly populated cities. The country has failed to generate the demand to sustain its population. Population rate is healthy except in UP & Bihar where it is too high. Education has been proven to control population rate. A properly segmented resource strategy directed towards appropriate target segment should alleviate the current problems. Essentially, Indian Administrative Service has failed India. I am not sure how these guys/gals got selected into the service. I believe in limited reservation of areas for SC/STs (with 100% reservation) so that they can ramp up on development growth. At national level, reservation should be zero. Let there be competition. Then, there is always blah, blah, blah... to improve the country. Bottom Line: A good country gone bad due to stupid people ruling it and creating just too many bottlenecks.
Has either Advani, Vajpayee or nay other of his BJP pals come out and forcefully denounced caste as the most destructive national evil- to rooted out from this divided society? Has any of them ever categorically said that all are equal, that none are higher or lower or untouchable and that caste does not exist? NO! They talk and pussyfoot around the caste issue but falls short of denouncing it. When they do, and their action show that they practice waht they preach- taht they not just talk the talk but walk the walk, then the aam aadmi will take them seriously. And promising every manner of freebies- free rice, TVs, electricity, Nanos etc wouldn't hurt them either, though the same couldn't be said for depleted and defunct treasury- but the aam aadmi will be happy.
The average Indian voter just does not have the intellectual capacity to understand the issues. Plus there is the biased media which will never allow the truth about certain communities to be told. When the voter does not have the intellectual capacity and the lies that the media purveys how is he going to understand the real issues? The whole election is fixed even before the start to favour the Congress party.
Re: Democracy was not meant for India
by deetee on May 24, 2009 01:08 AM
delhi will never vote for bjp because under bjp state government all polluting industries and vehicles were stopped. lot of people suffered losses. it does not matter that the air quality improved overnight.
Re: Re: Democracy was not meant for India
by Manish Dalit on May 24, 2009 10:20 AM
jago mohan payre!! Delhi has been ruled by congress for last 3 terms and bjp was nowhere near for pollution cleanup.
Re: Re: Re: Democracy was not meant for India
by Vivek Dev on May 24, 2009 10:35 AM
Besides, most of the arms merchants and other swiss bank customers and in Delhi, the crime capital of the world.
cant be any closer to truth. Indian voters have very scant idea of how the governance affects them. They vote depending on the price of onion and rice in the market. They forget that a nation means more than the price of rice and wheat.
When shallw ehave parties fighting elections on the real issues, like nation building, foreign policy, scientific investment etc ? Till when we shall have 1Rs/Kg Rice as the winning formula ?
Wake up dear indian voters. coz in the end the populace deserves the kind of govt it gets.
