MP MLA seats are given based on caste. Ministry is based on caste and religion. Appeasement to muslims at all levels by providing them Haj subsidy, opening of Madrasas, special colleges, schools and gving better treatment to Christians and thereafter claiming overselves to be Secular. therefore secular means appeasing Muslims and Christians. giving tickets to muslims only in muslim dominated areas by congress shows that muslims will not vote any other person who is not a mulsim in the areas where there are in majority. lady muslim MP does wear burqua while attending parliament and the same is restricted to common mulsim which is only to show their strength in the society. after all we are secular and everything is OK
Re: we are secular
by Umashanker Kapoor on May 20, 2009 04:36 PM
please ask the leader of opposition to take the matter, at once of the follwoing : 1 monority appeasement 2. haj sibsidy (the subsidy shud be stopped immidiately) 3. financial help to madrasaas (ask the baaj daals, sir reme seeena and sieve seeena to collect the data of madraas existing and in the list of new openings) 4. abouy burqaas etc. HE SHUD GET THE ANSWERS FROM THE GOVET AND THEN DEBATE THESE ANSWERS ON PUB PLAT AND NOT TALK LIKE HE PREVIOUSLY DID ON PUB PLAT (AFZAL KHAN HANGING, WEAK PM, SWISH ACCOUNT, BROWN MONIES ETC). HE SHUD ALSO RAISE THE QUESTION OF PSEUDO SECULARISM AND ALSO HAVE THE SAME CHANGED TO JINNAH SECULARISM.
Re: we are secular
by Suman Bhat on May 20, 2009 04:33 PM
not ppl of india mandate, it is vote for expoliatation of minorities & illeterate and poor ppl Many educated middle did not vote are going to heavy price in future puppet pm,president, election commissionerand congress beaure of investigation UPA had devalued ind security force, judicial and education system to exploit minority votebank perfect stage t Divide mejority on sc st obc dalit and pampre minorities with religion based reservation,15% special package from tax payers money, increase haj subsidies, separate urdu channel on govt cost, islmic banking/insurance, iterest free loans, protecting and supporting jighadies, mullas isi agents, all illegal immigants got voter id, job under minority tag. promote religious conversion to create new vote bank of dalit muslim & dalit xians. Last 6 yers congress upa govt worked hard to develop minority votebank, and 72 jihadi terrorists attack not a single culprits is punished. congress purcahsed some section of media promote upa and puppet pm as good and bjp communal. MOST MASTER STROKE ARRESTING ONE SADVI, SADU SAINIK AND CREATED A BRAND OF HINDU TERRORISTS congress won more seates bcuz of its minority appeasement and protecting illegal immigrants from bangladesh, pakistan and afganistan when a country PM openly said first of national resource to one particular community and presented communal budjet. farmer death, corruption, promote enemity between community and encourage restlessnessin society
Re: Re: we are secular
by Umashanker Kapoor on May 20, 2009 04:38 PM
please ask the opp leader to raise all the above issues in parl and not on pub plat.
Re: we are secular
by RAVISHANKAR SHARMA on May 20, 2009 04:48 PM
EVEN WHEN BRITISH HAVE LEFT,STILL OUR POLITICIONS AND GOVT. PRACTICE DIVISION.WE SHOULD PRACTISE UNITY BY PRACTISING NATIONALISM BY WAY OF SHOWING AND PRPOGATING LOVE,RESPECT AND PRIDE FOR INDIA IN OUR DAYTODAY LIFE AT ALL PLACES AND ON ALL OCCASIONS TO GENERATE A NATIONALISTIC MINDSET, SO ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE SECURITY AND PRSPERITY ,SMILE TO OUR FAMILIES ,WE ALWAYS CLAIM TO LOVE. rashtra bhavna,hyderabad
i think must b reservation for muslim around 22% bcoz they r totaly backword, illeterate and so they will hammered our society by the organisation of simi and other , there is only solution of reservation for them.
India is DEMOCRACY. India is not MERITOCRACY like Taiwan or SHARIA like Saudi Arabia. If merit is the criteria, India should NOT get Independence from British.
Since Hinduism is a covert mask for Casteism, Indian Parliament must amend constitution to promote cultural and socio-economic DIVERSITY in Private Institutions,Temples,Judiciary and in Defense Services.
* 50% of Priests,Supreme Court Judges,Defense Staff must be from OBC communities. * 35% Priests,Supreme Court Judges,Defense Staff must be from Dalits and Tribals. * 15% of Priests,Supreme Court Judges,Defense Staff must be from OTHER Castes.
India must have reservations **till** 85% of all registered marriages in India are inter-caste. This is the only way to STOP dis-integration of India.
"A country is not made of land; a country is made of its people." -- Unknown
I think the best mantra for muslims is to stop looking towards government for any help including reservation.
Join my campaign to support education of poor & needy.
result of class xth has just come out. In your locality alsi many poor boys & girls have passed the examination. Their parents are poor and will not be able to support the.
Take the lead and take out some money from your pocket and get them admitted in colleges. This money that you are giving should be a loan to them. They should be told that in their life time let them support education of some other poor and not return the money to you.
Make an informal chain of scholarship. Muslim boys & girls are equally good & brilliant. they just need some small financial support. getting this from government is nxt to impossible.
Come forward, take the lead yourself and spread this message to others.
Re: Re: must
by Suman Bhat on May 20, 2009 04:34 PM
congress did old trick vote bank poiliticsit is not bjp hindutavs upa consolidated muslim votebank by appeasment and divide & rule policy giving undue favour to muslim votebank BJP IS ONLY PARTY WHICH IS CHALLENGING CONGRESS. all other dmk, ncp TMC sp bsp are opperertunatic and Out of 55% voting bjp got 25.06 % voting and compared to 100 year old congress bjp is only 25 yrs old and ruled counWhen your own ppl will be burnt alive in train, victims of bomb blast while doing shopping for festive season or doing prayer or butchered by jihadie and kicked out of locality you will realise how dangerous is congress divide and rule under secular & minority tag mandate for minority appeasement and vote bank politics develoment try for 6 yrs which was better than congress prty dirty rule of 50yrs
Re: must
by joga rao on May 20, 2009 03:53 PM
Dear Sameer Khan, first priority that muslims think is control of population by restricting to 2 children.At an average, as per muslim law no restrictions on marriage and each time marriage takes place they will go for children and say it is "allah ke den" and family planning is against their law.By this way a cricket team will be made by a single person which will automatically create more SIMI's and other terrorist activities as they are poor and are easy to catch these jobless and foodless in the name of JIHAD for. Every one has freedom to take on religion but that does not mean that they get focussed. That is the reason any statement made against them will be focussed as insecurity to Minorities and politicans captilise the movement.It is very much evident that since 1947 Rich have become Rich and poor have becoming poor day by day. At least wake up my friends-No body is restricted to follow their religion but at the same time it should not effect them and also others at large.
Re: Re: Re: must
by Jayaraman V on May 20, 2009 04:48 PM
why, u don't like the truth, isn't it ?? who asked you to increase the population like rats and then claim that you are still poor ?? control your population, it is one of the ways to improve your overall society !
Re: must
by Shyam Sunder on May 20, 2009 03:42 PM
Reservation would not bring in any Loyalty to country. For most of them, religion is more important than the country. And if you see closely, those who are highly educated, like doctors, engineers, etc., are the most prone to terrorism and used by the neighbouring countries. The uneducated are much better than educated in this group. But I do not mean in any way that they should remain uneducated for this reason.
Re: Re: Re: must
by allahrakha on May 20, 2009 04:49 PM
Such a smart message to start with, why divert attention from it? Yes population control is must. 2 children should be the norm for any indian family irrespective of caste of religion. That alone can propel us muslims towards prosperity.
Sikhs getting slaughered in thousands = A MISTAKE. Hindous getting killed in Kashmir = Political problem. Muslims getting killed by a few hundred = Holocaust. Poor protestors getting shot in WB under Left Govt = Misunderstanding.
Banning Parzania in Gujarat = Communal. Banning Da Vinci Code and Jo Bole So Nihaal = Secular.
Kargil Attack = Government failure. Chinese invasion in 1962 = Unfortunate betrayal.
Reservations in every school and college on caste lines = Secular. Reservations in Minority institutions = Communal.
Fake encounters in Gujarat [Sohrabuddin] = BJP Communalism. Fake encounters under Cong-NCP in Maharashtra [Khwaja Younus] = Police atrocity.
Talking about Hindus and Hinduism appeasment = Communal. Talking about Muslims and Islam = Secular.
BJP freeing 3 terrorists to save 100 Indian hostages = Shameful Congress freeing 4 militants to save just a life of one daughter of I Home minister in Kashmir [Rubina Sayed] = Natural Political dilemma.
Attack on Parliament = BJP ineptitude. Not hanging Afzal Guru the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders = Humanity and Political dilemma.
BJP questioning Islam = Communal. Congress questioning Lord Ramas existance = Clerical Error.
Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by shrikant kulkarni on May 20, 2009 03:16 PM
It is high time for Bharat and UPA to cancell the all reservation based on cast/creeds & let test the secularisam who has given unconditional support to UPA
Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Rajaram RG on May 20, 2009 04:19 PM
it is a shame that a country extends reservation even after sixty years of indepenence. it cannot be perennial. it is hightime a study is conducted to identify the families which gained benefits and shall hence forth be removed from the list of reservation. reservation should be confined only to education by way of scholarships and concessions but not on jobs
Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Guest on May 20, 2009 03:55 PM
The freeing of 4 militants was done by the BJP supported National Front govt, led by VP Singh and nt the cong.
Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Vasanth Madhav on May 20, 2009 04:08 PM
none answers what would have congress done in similar situation. while the then government saved few persons, i believe congress would have allowed to kill the passangers besides releasing the terrorists. this questions remains unanswered by rahul, sonia in any of their meetings
Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Jayaraman V on May 20, 2009 04:52 PM
what did previous Govts do, when a central minister's daughter was kidnapped in J&K. That was the boost for Kashmir problem and even the daughter has become a separatist politician !! Congress has nowhere to hide, in light of all misdeeds !!
Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by S S on May 20, 2009 03:11 PM
Hindus are not united unlike other religions in India. Congress, from the very beginning, played their trump card of calling BJP as communal, and made the impression that if they come to power all minorities will be pushed out from India. On the contrary, BJP always upheld the fact of uniform civil code for every citizen Now I feel insecured in my country as a Hindu, and I see that lot of facilities are being showered to the so-called minorities by the so-called secular party. They have injected the feeling among citizens and divided them as per religion, which was successfully carried out by the British. The future is not so far when the present minorities will become majorities, and ultimately the percentage of majorities is going to be less than 25-30. The Congress and other so-called secularists are successful in injecting venom in MINORITIES and successful in dividing the country as per religion.
There comes the lack of understanding among Hindus; in fact they are also divided group by group. Now it is time to unite all Hindus and stand in as a protective shield just to defend ourselves from the attacks in the very near future. Otherwise, these Hindu communities will be vanished in history in the very few years to come. It is time for Hindu organizations to unite without any delay. The danger bell started ringing; arise! arise! arise!
Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by ss sk on May 20, 2009 03:21 PM
The credit goes to MANU, Author of "Manusmruthi", the manual of Hindu Varna System. Unity of Hindus is seems tobe next to impossible. The highest Authorities of Hindus, Shankaracharyas are not keen in abolishing the Caste system and not interested in Uniting the Hindus. They are concerned about their positions and wanted the status as it is. Whole Bharat was united under the teachings of BUDDHA. But again our Adi-Shankaracharya and his followers again destroyed the whole set-up. Now, only solution is wait and repeat Shloka of GEETA,..yada yada hi dharmasya...
Re: Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Harishankar PS on May 20, 2009 04:16 PM
Agree with most of your facts. I think you are misguided or misundertood or completely unawares regards Adi-Shankaracharya. He never started castism or cult creations. Insatead he preached on oneness of the mankind and the oneness of the deivinity called Advaitha Siddhantha. ( Universe is One; God is one callaed Paramathma ).
Re: Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by jack on May 20, 2009 03:47 PM
You are absolutely right
Hindu peoples are not giving respect to their hindu brothers , they are calling them as per their caste name. Hindu will not be united unless abolishing of CASTE SYSTEM from India. These system have made by MANU & their followers., so all Hindus come together and raise voice against CASTE SYSTEM, be united.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Rajaram RG on May 20, 2009 04:34 PM
SECULARISM has lost its meaning in indian context. secularism should mean no religion.. and not following any religion anywhere and in any style. in india secularism means hatred towards hinduism. in the name of minority and personal laws accepted by govt these minorities are slowly growing stronger and poverty stricken majorities are forced to woo minorities for pittance. there s a clear imbalance .to day you can find in chennai a gospel house or a chapel in every street. who gave the money and under what guise the money was brought it is up to the govt to see that religion is confined to the homes and not brouht to streets to bring in disharmony
This guys has no idea why congress voted back to power. The answer is inflation, when inflation has hurted us, it has benefited farmers, because of farm product cost has rose more 150% in last five years, they are happy and voted for congress.
SC/ST and muslims never vote for BJP, but they switch among rest. The congress turned winner in this situation. It has nothing to do with end of caste politics or Rahul gandhi pro-poor.
Another issue was, BJP only party which sacrifice its ideology for alliance before election.(i.e. Ram mandir, Article 370, Uniform civil code)
Third issue: Rich voter of BJP do not go out and vote in this summer.
Re: Imp is to make daily wager to vote beyond case not Farmers
by Shyam Sunder on May 20, 2009 03:44 PM
Don't be foolish. Farmers did not and do not benefit by inflation. It is the dalals and brokers who benefit by it. The farmers still continue to burn away their produce, throw the produce in drain and commit suicide due to non-existence of reasonable procurement price.
Re: Re: Imp is to make daily wager to vote beyond case not Farmer
by Anuj Goyal on May 20, 2009 04:11 PM
just compare wholesale mundi price 5 years back and now, you will get all the facts dear.
Dalits ... OBC ... SCST .. Brahmins ... Thakurs ... Bhumihars ... What a shame that an Indian is no longer just an Indian but is always categorised by his race. Let us honest indians work together towards getting Inidia declared by the world community as a RACIST country where the government discriminates against people on the basis of their caste and race. Let the world impose sanctions.
Re: India is a RACIST country
by ss sk on May 20, 2009 03:05 PM
unfortunately we are racist for thousands of years. Eklavya was not given education by Drona, bcoz he was not a Kshatriya. Shambook has been murdered by Rama, bcoz he was also Shoodra by birth. Vishwamitra was called upon as RAJARSHI bcoz he was Kshatriya. So racism is prevalent in olden times, so we are.. bitter truth..huh...accept it.. instead of crying foul, try to eradicate it...now dont ask me how ? u know better mr. 3pathi.
Govt. should make quality education freely available to everyone without any need of reservation, donation, fees etc. Anyone should be able to learn as much as he deserves/wishes free of cost. All problems such as population, caste-based division of society, poverty, etc. can be resolved only by educating the people. Knowledge is the only solution to all the problems...Not only problems but it is also solution to the real happiness & peace. Keeping the "Gandhi" name in the party is not important, but fulfilling "Gandhiji's" wishes is more important. If congress can do that, then they will always enjoy the majority...they don't need to maintain vote bank by maintaining poverty, caste-division, etc.
When caste articulation transcends the boundary line of individual social life aided by issues such as under representation, discrimination, identity, it will propel this articulation beyond the limited sphere of individual in to a larger sphere of society, and reflects in political articulation.
Rahul Gandhi, during his visit to Orissa, arranged meetings specially for separate lower caste people in Cuttack and Bhubaneswar where people belonging to other castes, even the Congress leaders, were not allowed.
SS, Your study and understanding about Vedas is good. People should understand that caste system was made for better for society to create skilled manpower. But, it was interpreted wrongly. Today's ITI's are doing same thing. In Europe it is present as you hear names as TAILOR, BARBAR, and CARPENTER etc. They are same as Caste system in India. We only lack in Education which can make these people better. I am sure they will not ask reservation when they know about truth behind these politics. Political parties are responsible for creating further division in mind (BSP,SP, LJP,JD, RJD etc). These people can't not understand so they are taken over by so called BSP/SP/LJP/JD etc.
So, please, understand the importance of Vedas as these are not property of so called Brahmins or upper caste. Mayawati/Mulayam/Paswan/Lalu did ever tell those voters to read or understand Vedas. They will never tell because, if voters understand truth no one will vote for them. Did they open any better facilities like education, job creation etc.
So it is my advise, for all these so called CONTRACTORS to change something. We don’t need need Statues of Ambedkar/Devi Lal in Villages/parks (no one to clean them), We need education for the masses. Improve status of Govt. Schools and recruitment of real trained teachers so that they can give us real man. For more details please, read “MY INDIA” based on Swami Vivekananda’s teachings (from Ramakrishana Mission), if you really want to know about I
