Demolision of disputed masjid at Ayodhya in 1993 should not b an issue at all. Recently Modi removed so many temples and some masjids for development. In Lybia Col Gadaffi removed many hospitals for development.
Many Mslims themselves bomb masjids belonging to other Mslims (Shia, Sunni, Kurd etc). Hence demolision of the disputed Babri masjid, should not b an issue.
The good and secularists amongst Mslims should understand that for H1ndus Aydhya is very secred, due to it being the Ram's birth place. Hence they themselves should propose to hand over the site for Ram mandir.
Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by Govindan on May 03, 2009 07:19 PM
Very good reply. In this case I will not fully blame all the Muslims. The politicians are blowing the issue out of proportion for their selfish interest.(Vote bank politics).
Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by Muhammed Rashid on May 03, 2009 05:39 PM
good point. where did u got these points. nobody had found them earlier. u must b very intelligent.
Re: Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by Ram Sharma on May 03, 2009 05:44 PM
Didn't u read about Modi's dismantling of temples & masjids? A civil engr from Lybia told me about Col Gadaffi (I understand that he is a secular person). It is surprising that u don't know about bombing of Masjids by Mslims themselves (belonging to different sects).
Re: Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by V SR on May 03, 2009 05:50 PM
What Muhammed, dont you know that many mosques are bombed in Iraq and Pakistan. Dont you know that mosques are shifted in Saudi Arabia for laying road and building colony. Dont you know that old mosque in dilapidated condition was brought down and now a the land is allocated for community center. If you are ignorant, it is your fault. Modi has removed temples for construction of road in Gujarat and this is well blasted in all TVs. A temple, church and a mosque for moved for expanding road in Tambaram in Chenai by Jayalalitha govt. In Hyderabad, the Hindu grave yard has been given away for expanding Road No. 2 in Banjara Hills, Hyderabad. Just a kilo meter away, the muslims are not giving away the the place, which is part of car partking space for mosque, for expansion of the same road. Everyone in Hyderabad curses this mosque in the peak hour as the road very wide all throughout except near the mosque. Does your god want the curse of people.
Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by V SR on May 03, 2009 05:42 PM
Unfortunately, India as a country and Indians attach sentimental value to places of worship. Moreover, Indians are never united at any point of time to protect our own interest. We allowed, Mohammadians, Britishers, French, Portugese and now Italian to rule the country. Until we change we will not prosper and someone will certainly devide us.
Re: Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by JGN on May 03, 2009 05:57 PM
V SR, I had seen a small mosque in the middle of newly constructed Pune-Kolhapur Four Lane Road. The road goes thru either side of the mosque!!!
Some time back I had seen a report that there are more places of worhsips in Karnataka than Schools. The condition in other states also may not be much better. No wonder majority of our people are living below poverty line.
Re: Re: Re: Babr1 demolition should not b an issue at all
by Muhammed Rashid on May 03, 2009 06:20 PM
Dear All! I know. shifting is one thing and dreaking by design when there is a case in the court is another. In your heart of heart you cannot believe that exactly on the place of temple that mosque was made. some body made up the story then this happened and it has cost India so many lives. The Hindu community should have sat down with muslims for a dialogue. Big brother attitude marred every thing.
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by Indian Citizen on May 04, 2009 04:50 PM
Mr Mohmd Rashid, Do you know that it was an abandoned mosque by muslims. Baber made a mistake of his religion to devide this country by demolishing Ram's Shrine and made a mosque over it. It is like this. If someone enters into your flat and doesnt want to vaccate, what you do ? Either go to court or go to police and pay some money, hire couple of Gundas and a van and pack all the material of the flat and persons into the van and leave them about of sight.
Fortunately, Hidus did not do that but they gave an option of shifting entire mosque peace by peace to other place of your choice.
It was adament nature due to mulla and moulavies who did not want this to happen otherwise who would give them importance ?
Both should have listened to scientific and reasonable logic of peace.
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by iamhere on May 04, 2009 01:57 PM
what do u have to say about temples which are gone in kashmir? temples even now being destroyed in malaysia? how many bomb attacks for that "0".for that one babri how many bomb blasts? b sides its a well known fact that izzlamic invastion temples where put down...
Indian Mslims behaviour is puzzling. When Antule raised the issue of Karkare's killing raising doubts about his death by the militants, except Shabana Azmi, no Mslim was heard to criticise him. Though there were many Mslims and Jamat etc, who supported him. Even some pseudo secular Hindus like Digvijay Singh, Lalu, Amar Singh etc supported him. On the internet discussion msg boards I hv not seen any Muslim saying against him. Mslims even talked against Hindu leaders after Mumbai attack by Pak Mslim terrorists.
Why Indian Muslims r not secular? R they soft towards the terrorist country Pak? It seems that they r not loyal towards the country, they r more loyal towards Islamists, even if these Islamists r terrorists. This is really very sad.
What is the meaning of blindly and forcefully abiding by Quaran, which was written thousand of yrs ago, when scientific knowledge was poor? A religion, which does not give freedom to change itself with time is not worth following.
Let Indian Muslims think how much empowerment is given to minorities in India, which is unheard of anywhere else in the world and learn to b secular like most of the Hindus.
Re: Indian Mslims behaviour is puzzling
by Pramod Vaid on May 04, 2009 12:43 PM
Their behaviour is not puzlling, it is only & only anti-national behaviour
Re: Indian Mslims behaviour is puzzling
by sajith kooloth on May 03, 2009 06:14 PM
"What is the meaning of blindly and forcefully abiding by Quaran, which was written thousand of yrs ago, when scientific knowledge was poor? A religion, which does not give freedom to change itself with time is not worth following" then why many famous people like A.R. Rahman, Kamal Das, Michle Jackson, Boxer Ali converted to Islam??
Re: Re: Indian Mslims behaviour is puzzling
by Pramod Vaid on May 04, 2009 12:48 PM
A R Rehman & Kamal Das converted because of poverty & Michiel Jackson & Mohammed Ali because of ego problem
Re: Indian Mslims behaviour is puzzling
by Indian Citizen on May 04, 2009 05:16 PM
I too get perplexed by this behaviour. This needs education, education, and education in the words of Ram Krishna Pramhans.
Alarmed at Jail Singh's popularity Indira promoted Bhindrawale, as she did not want anyone in the party to become more popular than her. Bhindrawale went on to propmote terror in the name of Khalistan. It took some yrs before this got controlled.
In 1985 Shah Bano won a case in SC. After this communal Mslims started demonstrating. To appease these communal parasites, Rajiv, who had brute majority in Loksabha, ammended the constitution to undo the ruling of SC! After this there was resentment amomgst the peaceful secular Hindus. So he opened the gates of Ram Mandir in Ayodhya. This resulted in formation of Babri Action Committee. At this stage BJP took advantage of the people's resentment against 'pseudo secular' policies of Rajiv. Rajiv also threw the govt of Farooq Abdulah and rigged the elections in Kashmir, which gave birth to terrorism in Kashmir. Before that Kashmir was peaceful. He also banned Satanic verses, even before it was banned in Pak & Iran.
Thus Cong's policy of appeasing communal Mslims since 1985, is the root cause of communal divide in the country. The strengthening of BJP is as a backlash of this communal approach of Congress, who claim themselves to b secular. But they don't support secular Mslims like Taslima, Dr Kalam, Salman Rushdie etc.
Re: Congr responsible for communal problems
by Muhammed Rashid on May 03, 2009 05:02 PM
Controversial author Salman Rushdie believes "Pakistan is fundamentally flawed and insufficiently imagined," according to a new book. He also feels India was a happy contrast but its edge "slipped with the rise of Hindu nationalism".
Re: Re: Congr responsible for communal problems
by V SR on May 03, 2009 05:55 PM
Being in India (if you are), you have every freedom to talk and being part of this growth economy. When did it ever slip. In fact, in the NDA rule, it has grown prominance and congress govt piggy bagged the same growth. If you think, India has slipped with the rise of Hindu nationalism, you people would not be talking freely. Go and talk the same way in Pakistan and Taliban will cut your toungue. And that is the differece between muslim fundamentalists and hindu nationalists.
Re: Re: Congr responsible for communal problems
by JGN on May 03, 2009 05:53 PM
Muhammed Rashid, H1ndu Nationalism is the result of 1slamic fundamentalism. Do you expect the H1ndus to keep quite while some people want to create their "kalipahte" or some others want to "harvest the souls" of the Dalits/Tribals in the name of non-existent g0ds and heaven??
The yoke of secularism cannot rest on the shoulders of one sectin of the scoeity alone. We all have to strive for peace to prevail in our Country.
Re: Congr responsible for communal problems
by Niranjan on May 04, 2009 03:12 PM
I agree fully with you. However the root cause of communal divide in this country was started much before 1985, we can say that it strated during the Indira gandhi period. Indira gandhi used to get muslim vote by creating fear among muslims that RSS will destroy you and I only can protect you (from RSS) and take care of your interest. Because of this blackmailing tacktis all these communal hatered started in this country. Now also our present PM says that if we don not give preferential treatment (first right) to muslims they will become terrorist. It has now become faishon among the 2nd & third rate party to talk about secular/communal. All the so called secular parties have only interest to get minority votes by talking such rubbish things.
Sonia Parivar is using fake surname of Gandhi. Indira married Feroze Khan, but started writing Feroze & Indira Gandhi. It was a big fraud on the nation, which is still continuing. Now Priyanka is married to a 'Vadera', but she also likes to use the same fraud surname. Why Indira & Sonia did not use surnames of their respective fathers (Nehru & Maino), but Priyanka is trying to do so?
Re: Surname politics
by ARVINDJAISWAL on May 03, 2009 05:19 PM
gOOD THOUGHTS, GANDHI IS A COMMODITY BEING SOLD AT ELECTION, SLAVE MENTALITY ARE THE BIG BUYERS
Dynastic & dictatorial parties r disaster for democracy. Hence we should not vote for parties like Congress, BSP, SP, RJD, DMK, AIDMK, BJD, Shiv Sena, Akali Dal, JD(S), LJP, RLD, PMK, TC, NCP, TDP etc.
These parties r meant for the betterment of their leaders and leaders' families only. For example, despite repeated failure of Rahul to get votes for Congress in assembly elections to UP, Gujrat, K'taka etc, he is being promoted. Is there no other young Congressman to do electioneering? Concern for other problems is a secondary issue. Noone in these parties r allowed to air their views, which don't match with the leaders' views nor they r allowed to criticise the leaders or leaders' relatives. There is no internal democracy in these parties.
There is no problem if relative of a politician becomes a politician on his own strength. the problem arises, if this family becomes all in all of the party.
UPA has changed the emblem of the Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan from Lotus and shining Sun to Cross and Crescent. And this has been done in the name of “broader reflection of national ethos.” Board of Governors of KVS in its 79th meeting held on 26.6.2008 approved the new logo and a circular was sent to all offices and schools of the Sangathan on July 17, 2008, to change the emblem in all the publications and communications. Though the chairman of KVS, HRD Minister Arjun Singh did not attend the meeting, the minutes of the meeting stated that the emblem has been approved by the chairman. His deputy Shri Md Ali Ashraf Fatmi, Minister of State, HRD & Deputy Chairman, was also not present at the meeting. circular issued by the Asst. Commissioner (Acad I), KVS, said “in order to give a broader reflection of national ethos and ought (sic) to be inclusive of challenges, opportunities, rationalistic, scientific and global thinking, advances in science & technology & social changes taking place in the society” (sic) the new emblem has been created.The picture shows a book with blank pages, and apparently two human forms emerging from globe. The crescent (an Islamic symbol) and two crosses and stars (Christian) are obvious. UPA govt released coins of Rs 2 denomination with cross on them. There is move to change our national motto ‘Satyameva Jayate’
