IF YOU PROPAGATING SANKSRIT, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO HELP YPU MONETROILY, THOUGH IT IS SMALL AMOUNT. WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE SANSKRIT AS OUR NATIONAL LANGUAGE & IT SHOULD BE MADE COMPULSORY. THE UP DOMINATED HINDU ORGANISATION LIKE RSS, VHP, WANT HINDI SO THAT UP BRAHMINS CAN HAVE THEIR PROXY RULE OVER INDIA. THE NON-HINDI SPEAKING STATES APPOINT HINDI SPEAKING UP BRAHMINS AS THEIR PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES IN THE STATE GOVT. BECAUSE OF HINDI THE STATE GOVT. IS FINDING IR DIFFICULT TO COMMUNICATE WITH UP BABUS AT THE CENTTRE. BEAT OF LUCK TO YOU MR. SWAMI
Re: Re: gopalswami
by Ramanath Babu on Apr 22, 2009 09:09 AM
Vijaya and others,
Sanskit is the fatehr of all Indian languages. Tell me one Indian language which has not borrowed a word or two from Sanskrit.
It is a classic language like Latin, which the so-called MASSES find difficult to learn, because masses are asses! Without knowing what this language is, you people are commenting on it. Yesteryears,it was used by scholars, the learned ones, the brahmins because, all Vedas, Upanishads and the holy Hindus books were originally written in this language and only the brahmins had access to it. But now, it is democratic India and anyone interested can learn this language and enjoy the beauty of it. Hindi is a street language, which doesn't have its own script. Script Devanagiri is borrowed from Sanskrit.
Re: gopalswami
by Onlooker on Apr 22, 2009 07:49 AM
It is funny. In a age when people are talking in JAVA, C, C# etc. here is a man.. anyway, that is his personal choice.
But people who eye on Haj subsidy, should give up their Sanskrit subsidies first.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: gopalswami
by classical guy on Apr 22, 2009 09:09 AM
haah.. great joke.. you can listen to scores of political promises but not some good words... excellent..
Re: Re: gopalswami
by Ramanath Babu on Apr 22, 2009 09:15 AM
Onlooker,
People are talking in JAVA, C C# etc?? I could not understand man. I know it is coputer language, but so far I have not come across anybody talking in these languages. Can you explain. I am not highly literated like you, So I beg your pardon for asking such a silly question.
Re: Re: Re: gopalswami
by Onlooker on Apr 22, 2009 09:45 AM
Come on man. You look intelligent! when a computer knows only those languages how else will you talk to that computer. only in a language it knows you know? so you talk in JAVA, C, C#. understand?
Re: Re: Re: Re: gopalswami
by Ramanath Babu on Apr 22, 2009 10:45 AM
Onlooker,
But I talk to people man, not to the computer. I am not an IT expert. Majority of people understand normal language to converse and not computer language.
You should have some sort of fixed number of communities classified on the basis of a combination of religion, language and caste and social status. Until a rotation is complete the same community should not be able to hold posts again on that job.
Re: Community based rotation for high profile jobs
by balaji on Apr 22, 2009 09:02 AM
what an idea sirji!! :) PS: so you mean every person will be biased; so first 5 yrs the institution is biased towards caste/religion-1, 2nd five years towards caste/religion-2 and so on. It belittles the very system of democracy. absurd idea!
Re: Re: Community based rotation for high profile jobs
by Onlooker on Apr 22, 2009 09:22 AM
where you going to find unbiased person. you can remove bias only by a heterogeneous mix. if chawla was not there gopalswamy will silently tell subrahmaniaswamy and subhramaniaswamy will tell uncle advani.
Many people here do not understand the gravity of mistake in Sonia's act of accepting the Belgian Honour.
What she received from Belgium is not just an award. It is something like a Knighthood in British kingdom where you are given the "sir' title. Such titles and privileges are given only in Monarchial countries such as Belgium, UK and a few other.
Indian Constitution categorically refuses right to any Indian Citizen to owe alleigance to any other country. During these presentations you need to take oath that you would are a part of the country's monarchial rule and would abide by their laws and reign. This is very different from many other international awards. Even 'Chevalier' which was insituted during French monarchy now today is only a title without alleigance towards any consitution. So, you will find foreigners, especially Indians accepting it. You would not have found a Single Knight (SIR) from India after 1950.
What Sonia Gandhi did is illegal and against the Constitution of India. A sitting member of parliament who has taken oath under the Consitution of India and a leader of of the Ruling Party doing such a thing is certainly outrageous.
Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Bodh Ramdeo on Apr 22, 2009 07:22 AM
I know there are many thousands of 'castes', sub-castes, sub-sub-castes, sub-sub-sub-sub-castes in this infernal land, but is there is CEC caste??
Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by satish sherma on Apr 22, 2009 07:43 AM
thamby you lucky to have tamil brahmins in tamilnadu, not sharma, mishra, shukla tiwari in tamilnadu. if you start hating the tamil brahmins you will end up having up brahmins in TN who will give you thambys to Srilankan army just like they did to lanka tamils
Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Ashwin Iyer on Apr 22, 2009 07:28 AM
Dear Goutam Nayak,
The South African Constitution does not bar anyone taking award from other countries. And moreover, Bharat Ratna is not something like Order of Leopold. It does not owe alleigance to Indian Consitution.
For your kind information, Indian Constituion does not ban taking "ANY" honours from foreign governments. Regularly, Indians have been receiving Magsasay award from Indonesian Government, Many Indians including our dear Vajpayee have received Nishan-I-Pakistan which is equivalent to Bharat Ratna. However, none have received the Knighthood from British Government. Not becase, the Brits wont give it, it is because Indian's wont receive it. For example, outstanding cricketers of all time receive the KNighthood, like Sir Vivian Richards and Sir Richard Hadlee. Just incidenatal that both Jamaica and New Zealan are not republic countries and still fall under British Crown, though independant. But players like Sunil Gavaskar and Kapil Dev, who is british terms could have received the Knighthood have not received, just because they are citizens of republic of India and not subjects of British Kingdom.
To understand all these, you need to do understand the differences between the honours and know what is right and what is wrong. It is Ok that ordinary citizens do not know the differences, but when people like Sonia is high profile jobs do, ignorance is not an excuse. It was sheer disrespect to Indian Consitution.
Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by balasubramaniyan ps on Apr 22, 2009 07:47 AM
According to my knowledge Shri Morarji Desai received Nishan I Pakistan award and not Shri Vajpayee.
Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by R Jagannathan on Apr 22, 2009 03:19 PM
You are absolutely correct Ashwin. Sunil Gavaskar was only invited for the Dinner which is hosted by the British Queen post the award ceremony, for the knighthood awardees.
Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Onlooker on Apr 22, 2009 07:39 AM
Sunil Gavaskar did not receive Sir title means I think that is his personal choice. If India has a rule against receiving a set list of honors, nobody will bother awarding it to you in first place. This is just a politics to kindle some emotions among the masses. When culprits like Modi and Advani can contest elections where was respect or disrespect of constitution? Does our constituition allow such things?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Ashwin Iyer on Apr 22, 2009 07:50 AM
Dear Onlooker,
If Sunil Gavaskar has not recieved it was not just his personal choice, but a constitutional requirement. He has to relinquish his Indian Citizenship before accepting Knighthood. An INDIAN CITIZEN cannot receive this. PERIOD. I think you should understand the difference first.
If at all she has to accept it, Indian Constitution has to be amended to pave way for Sonia Gandhi becoming Grand Officer of Order of Leopold and thus being a part of Belgian Monarchy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Onlooker on Apr 22, 2009 08:10 AM
Hey Ashwin, so, is it ok to call Sir CV Raman? Or should you drop the Sir?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by deepti de on Apr 22, 2009 08:54 AM
Dear on looker, Dr. Raman was was knighted in 1929 whilst he was still a citizen of Britain
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Onlooker on Apr 22, 2009 09:11 AM
deepti de de, are you saying Raman took British citizenship? But anyway this is just honorary title. do I lose my citizenship if I receive the award. or is it just a moral police fatwa?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sonia Accepting Belgian Honour
by Sunil Davda on Apr 22, 2009 08:27 AM
Dear Non-looker, it is beyond ur capacity to understand. "Mulla ki dod masjid tak hi hoti hai"
Re: I wonder
by Patriot on Apr 22, 2009 06:03 AM
Asai - "Crossbelt" or "Komanam" wearing who cares - as long they are sincere in work. Both Seshan and Gopalaswamy have not done any crime or got bribes. They have done their job. Go check your Politicians out - does any one not work without caste agenda? These guys atleast studied IAS and have worked sincerely.
Re: I wonder
by ramgovind on Apr 22, 2009 06:24 AM
y dont u comment on thier integrity and honesty y u r so bothered abt thier caste y ppl will look tru that eye only we have better officers frm dalit communities also
Re: I wonder
by pria m on Apr 22, 2009 06:05 AM
Sonia took the 'Leopold award' from the Catholic Belgian government where she declares allegiance to the Catholic Belgium king and not to the Indian constitution. That is not welfare to the Indian nation. Leopold award from Belgium is for military bravery in Catholic Belgium. During 1971 India-Pakistan war Madame Sonia was an Italian citizen. She and her husband Rajiv ran away to hide in Italy. After the brave Indian soldiers won the war Madame then Italian Sonia came back to India with husband Rajiv in tow. Sonia did not show bravery like the Indian jawans.
Re: Re: I wonder
by Rana Gautam on Apr 22, 2009 04:47 PM
and where were you bud, and what are you doing now for the jawans. they certainly dont need your crocodile rears.
Re: Re: I wonder
by Paritosh Sinha on Apr 22, 2009 06:29 AM
Rajiv ran away to Italy in 1971 is another story invented by RSS to discredit them.Check Airlines record, Rajiv was behind cockpit
Re: Re: Re: I wonder
by pria m on Apr 22, 2009 06:43 AM
If Rajiv was in the cockpit, Sonia was just a pilot's wife. There are thousand other Indian pilots wives. Why the Leopold award for her? The award should be given to a brave Indian air force pilot. There is nothing brave about Sonia to deserve the award unless the Belgian government benefits from this. Belgium is not a secular nation like India is. In that award there is a particular statement (an affront to India as a nation) praising Sonia for India's secularism. The praise should go to Mahatma Gandhi not Sonia.
Re: Another one with brahmin agenda before national agenda
by Patriot on Apr 22, 2009 05:33 AM
dude - you are correct but if start analyzing how one got there and what are his personal traits - we will not find one good beureaucrat as our Politicians will cut their career soon. So those qualities are ok as long as they work for Citizens and Country and not swindle money.
Let him be Brahmin, Musalmaan, Christian, SC or whatever. If we find the traits Seshan or Gopalaswamy has, thats like hitting a jackpot in India.
Your character analysis becomes detrimental in India as the Politicians generally don't allow good , sincere officers to prosper. The one's who has escaped the Politicians trap safely, then if we start analyzing he is Brahmin, SC or Muslim, I can imagine where we all end. Lalloo's and Mulayam would be be booth capturing in this election also. Do you think someone could have enforced Voter IDs so quickly across all states in a country like India?
So we have to give and take a few things with these rare breed IAS people who are sincere, honest and do good to people. As such they dont swindle money for themself but they do have their minus points.
Re: Re: Another one with brahmin agenda before national agenda
by asai thamby on Apr 22, 2009 05:44 AM
nonsense, this gopalasemai fellow is an out and out bjp boot licker
Re: Another one with brahmin agenda before national agenda
by asai thamby on Apr 22, 2009 05:43 AM
exactly, and like seshan, this goplaswami is another b--nra-hmin r-a--t doing his caste duty, raising noise at the end of his career
Re: Another one with brahmin agenda before national agenda
by asai thamby on Apr 22, 2009 05:47 AM
I wonder why crossbelts like goplalswami and seshan are so anti-national putting their caste agenda before the welfare of the nation
Re: Another one with brahmin agenda before national agenda
by asai thamby on Apr 22, 2009 05:42 AM
exactly, and like seshan, this goplaswami is another bnrahmin rat doing his caste duty, raising noise at the end of his career
