we did not have a genuine dependable bowler not even Munaf Patel is good enough. Our country producing lots of talented batsman but not a single match winning bowler. Vinay Kumar, R.P.Singh, Munaf, Ishant, Praveen, even Zaheer Khan also ordinary bowlers in the international level. Munaf i can say is lucky to win one or two matches for India with his bowling but not dependable. Munaf giving away too many runs. Remember in the World cup against england we could not defend 338 and Munaf gave 11 runs in the final over. Zaheer Khan India's No.1 bowler is also not lethal he is an ordinary bowler just better than other indian bowlers. Remember in the World Cup final he gave away lot of runs in the final three overs. It is always our batting ( which some time fails and sometime shines) which gave us the World Cup. Our bowers did not bowl yorkers, slow bowls they have no control over their bowling. Spinners except Harbhajan, Ojha, Mishra, or Ashwin also looked very ordinary both in tests and in One dayers. Harbhajhan is a match winner for us though he was out of form now. So after Kumble we did not not a match winner in the test matches also. And less said about Ishant Sharma is better. Like Agarkar he bowls too many shot pitch bowls.
So our selectors and National Academies should work hard to produce genuine pace and spin bowlers and also All rounders. Thank u
Re: need to find bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 12:41 PM
We are a batsmen centric nation. Even yesterday the commentators were talking about india hitting form because we put up 300. Bowlers are what made our victories outside india possible, not recordkars. Atleast now we should make sure our fast bowlers get 5-6 months experience a year on bowler friendly pitches and also make sure we prepare wickets that support spin and encourage spinners to flight the ball.
Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 12:47 PM
Funny post Which fast bowlers are you talking about?Those 120 -25 km hr fast spinners?Pakistan our poor neighbour got similar dead and flat pitches but produced the modt devastating fasties How?One thing I am pretty sure that they cannot afford their fast bowlers to have 5-6 months experience in England Aus or SA
Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 02:30 PM
almost every single one of those who you call slow were able to bowl around 135-140. But then they get into medium bracket to prolong their career. Pakistan does not have only flat wickets. They produce wickets which support good bounce. So get your facts right. Dont arrange factoids around your preassumption of diet being responsible. Yes they can. English country plays players who come and play. BCCI does not need to spend money. Buddy pl inform yourself.
Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:03 PM
Dude you dont make any sense Why they convert to slow bowlers because they are fragile ,for high performance and endurance their bodies are not fit.For your info Eden Gardens and Mohali used to be the fastest pitches in Indian Subcontinent.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 04:01 PM
Thats probably bcz you dont understand the issue well enough. Why did these same bowlers decide not to go for building the muscles they need to sustain ?. Pl spare me the protein from meat myth as protein consists of amino acids and rice plus beans combination provides all amino acids to create a complete protein. Yes mohail and eden gardens are still good if we allow some grass on the pitches. Ask yourself how many matches do we play there and how many of such matches have pacer friendly wickets prepared ? That should give you the answer.
Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by sai krishna on Sep 17, 2011 12:56 PM
i agree with u. With the same climate Pakistan and Sri Lanka also producing good pace bowlers. What our academies and much talked about MRF pace foundation doing i could not understand.
Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 02:32 PM
Same climate and preparing wickets that does not support pace are 2 different things. Nobody said india cannot produce pace friendly wickets. Remember the 2 test matches SA won in India recently and the one won by australia from which ganguly was supposed to have opted out feigning injury. Those were held in India. They just let more grass on the wickets. Thats all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:06 PM
Hey what r u talking about?Discussion is about Fast Bowling and What r u writing?I am saying is our Fast Spnners Sucks.Now dont start to compare Dodda ganesh Mohanty Prasad and Kuruvilla with Waqar Wasim Imraan Sarfraj please
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:38 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 04:01 PM
silver mani, pl read and understand before commenting. Unless of coz basking in your bad analysis is what you aim to achieve. Then suit yourself. hehe.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 04:04 PM
lol. Mani none of those pitches are in england. Are we to assume english pitches and conditions are inferior ? DUMAZZ in india also we can create conditions favoring fast bowling. We just opted not to. If we had opted for it, then our fast bowlers could have kept their pace abilities alive. Instead we make them play on placid pitches prepared to score runs and they slowly become medium bowler who depend on variation so as to keep their career alive and kicking. Think and analyze and you will get it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to find bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 05:01 PM
Then Asswipe why PakistAn or even Srilankan pacers are still keeping their or increasing their pace in Slow and Deadpitches?Because Vege bowlers has no Balls and Strength .
dont worry guys we hav champions trophy coming, their our chennai super kings will defntly win, all our players will fit to play, sachin, harbhajan and gambhir will rok, lets enjoy that.
Dhoni may be a good captain, only we has the right players firing in the team. He should also be unbiased and listen to experienced player. From now on he must concentrate on building the future of Indian batting and bowling, Bring in good batsmen like Manoj Tiwary, Manish Pandey, AT Rayudu, and real fast bowlers like Varun Aaron, Unmesh Yadav, and JD Unakdat
If we notice clearly BCCI is alone responsible for the defeat of India and the shame of India in England!!
The following is the chief reason:
No one sends an Team overseas after an grueling season.The team sent was an spent out team..they had no energy left in them..the selection was totally wrong..the timing of the tour shows how horribly BBCI selects and forces the Players to play to their dictum.High time we nationalize this CLUB..
Can any private CLUB select an NATIONAL TEAM?????
BCCI ---- East India Company...
the best time to take over and nationalize BCCI is Now..
Re: BCCI is soley responsible!!
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 12:42 PM
I agree 100%. It was waiting to happen considering how unprepared we go into every away series. But now the schedule is also cramped.
Re: Re: BCCI is soley responsible!!
by ASHISH KUMAR on Sep 17, 2011 06:33 PM
u all are typical dhoni fans with bised & political comments. When india win wcup- all credit to useless medicore captain dhoni who was a big failure as batsman till final. No one was talking about BCCI. When india loose- blame BCCI. Double standatd hypocrites. If dhoni got all tee credits/awards for win as a captain- When india white washed, he should only be blamed & kicked out from team. But many of resional fanatic fans are born hypocrites. If BCCI become govt- it will be worse like hockey, teniis federation -all bancorrupt & ruled by selfish politician/burecrats from north. But then all dhoni fans are typical political minded people & will always favour corruption, biasing, regionalosm & govt control on every thing
1. the joy of world cup win is washed out 2. There was no joy of Sachin's 100 th 100. 3. There was no find ( not a single player) of the tour 4. Dravid's last ODI ended in loss and ridicule from all commentetors while he was playing at snails pace yesterday.
No gain all pain tour. I don't remember such adisastrous tour since I am watching cricket from 1958
Re: all washed out
by kumar kn on Sep 17, 2011 12:18 PM
Our cricket team should immediately tour Bermuda or Holland and play and win a series against them to regain their confidence.
Re: Re: all washed out
by Christy Uthup on Sep 17, 2011 03:18 PM
But even those teams if they can get the ball to bounce above waist high then they can beat India
Re: Re: Re: all washed out
by ROBY STEPHEN on Sep 17, 2011 12:52 PM
don't be sure of wins in all these places with this bowling attach which gifted the win to england yesterday
Re: Re: all washed out
by ASHISH KUMAR on Sep 17, 2011 06:35 PM
but its better than selfiss dhoni records. Whenever dhoni scores few runs (it bhappens rarely)- India always looses. This shameless politicain who only plays for records refused to leave captaincy even after whitewashed in all formats of game
We observed from England tour 1. Great captaincy of Dhoni sir 2. Great batting of Dhoni Sir 3. Senior cricketer ruined hope of India. 4. Poor batting of sachin,he is responsible for test defeat. Much hype about 100 th century. 5. Poor batting of others. 6. Brave batting/bowling of young players
Re: From England tour
by Muhammed on Sep 17, 2011 05:15 PM
We observed from England tour 1. Great captaincy of Dhoni sir 2. Great batting of Dhoni Sir Forget winning, did Dhoni manage to SAVE at least 1 test match to avoid humiliating Whitewash; Did Dhoni's batting helped India to win at least 1 shorter version of the game? If that's what u call Great captaincy and Great batting, then sure Munaf Patel is as good as Waqar Yonous and R.P Singh as good as Wasim Akram, list goes on........
Re: From England tour
by Muhammed on Sep 17, 2011 05:16 PM
We observed from England tour 1. Great captaincy of Dhoni sir 2. Great batting of Dhoni Sir Forget winning, did Dhoni manage to SAVE at least 1 test match to avoid humiliating Whitewash; Did Dhoni's batting helped India to win at least 1 shorter version of the game? If that's what u call Great captaincy and Great batting, then sure Munaf Patel is as good as Waqar Yonous and R.P Singh as good as Wasim Akram, list goes on........
Re: From England tour
by Muhammed on Sep 17, 2011 05:17 PM
We observed from England tour 1. Great captaincy of Dhoni sir 2. Great batting of Dhoni Sir Forget winning, did Dhoni manage to SAVE at least 1 test match to avoid humiliating Whitewash; Did Dhoni's batting helped India to win at least 1 shorter version of the game? If that's what u call Great captaincy and Great batting, then sure Munaf Patel is as good as Waqar Yonous and R.P Singh as good as Wasim Akram, list goes on........
Re: From England tour
by kumar kn on Sep 17, 2011 12:23 PM
Money and fame has gone to the head of our cricketers and they think they are demi gods.Our stupid Indians hero worship them.BCCI should only pay them as per their performance.Look at the plight of our Hockey players.Poor guys were to be paid Rs 25000 each before a big hue and cry made the authorities to pay them Rs 1.5 lakhs each.
Re: From England tour
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on Sep 17, 2011 12:40 PM
In test series Sachin scored 34,12,16,56,1,40,23,91 total 273 runs average 34.12
In test series Dhoni scored 28,16,5,0,77,74*,17,3 total 220 runs average 31.43
So how GREAT batting by Dhoni Sir and poor batting by Sachin ?
Re: From England tour
by rajashi ghosh on Sep 17, 2011 12:58 PM
Amazing captaincy, i must say. If he continues to captain like this, we will get whitewashed in ever series.
I think time has come for some soul search for MS Dhoni. We all know that we cannot be a great team without genuine fast bowlers. We have two promising youngsters in Varun Arron and Yadav who consistently bowl above 140 KMPH. It’s time to bring them in and guide them and develop them into world class genuine fast bowlers. There is no point in fantasizing with RP Singh and Praveen Kumar. They are and were always suspect at that level of cricket. The writing is on the wall for Indian cricket; develop, nurture genuine fast bowlers or perish. The most painful fact is we have raw young fast bowlers who are not given adequate opportunities and are allowed to age on sidelines of Indian cricket. Sometimes I have this fear that there is some invincible force deliberately discouraging our fast bowling youngsters. However it’s time to change, bring on young fast bowlers. Never ask them to bowl line and length at expense of speed. Encourage them to bowl fast with line, length etc. of course not to forget the vital Yorkers and bouncers.
Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 11:30 AM
Hey Venu since Indias Inclusion in Cricket how many genuine Express Bowlers have we Found?Answer-None.By eating Rajmaah Chawal Idli Dosa Daal you cannot produce Wasim Waqar Shoib Dennis lillee or Bret Lee.For that Red Meat Intake is necessary .Note-Kapil dev was fast medium Swing abd Pakistan got the most corrupt administration and Same FLAT and DEAD PITCHES like India then how they produced the most devastating fast bowlers???
Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by varghese on Sep 17, 2011 12:28 PM
Height of foolishness is saying red meat eaters produce more speed on pitches or have more energy than Veges..
If what ur saying is right then Indians should not play Cricket..nor should Indians expect to win any game..we should also then dismantle the army and defense as majority of our soldiers are dal eaters..
according to me an balanced Food would serve the purpose..sport foods are there which could also be used...
Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 12:37 PM
Hey Varghese what crap are u talking about?I am talking about Fast bowling only not of defence or Army.Just read tge first line of my previous post How many Veg Swing of Sultan Express bowlers India has produced?How many fast bowlers India has produced by balanced diet?Pakistan-Wasim Waqar Imran Sarfaraj Shoib Akhtar etc,South Africa -Steyn Donald Ntini etc ,Australia-Bret Lee Tait Lillee Mcdermott etc ,NewZealand-Morrison Bond hadlee ,Now can you please fill the series for India India________
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 18, 2011 07:11 AM
Just answer my above post if you have any .Your example is as irrelevant like u.
Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 12:44 PM
has got nothing to do with diet. Has got to do with conditions. We have had good pacers and then automagically they become medium pacers. We prepare wickets for our batsmen.
Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 01:02 PM
India has been playing Cricket for the past 80 years Right?no genuine Express bowler in the last 80 years Right?Our Opening bowlers were Venktesh Prasad Mohanty Kuruvilla Munaf RP Right?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 02:43 PM
yes buddy. And we only prepare flat bounceless wickets Right ? You get it Right ? Fast bowlers dont fall off trees. They only get created if conditions are favorable for it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:41 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 12:50 PM
How Pakistan with similar dead and FAST pitches produced likes of Wasim Waqar Imraan Sarfaraj Aaqib Shoib Asif Amer and many more .How?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 02:49 PM
Pakistan does not have dead pitches. Their pitches offer more bounce and conditions have more support for reverse swing compared to ours. We have a few in mohali and himachal and how many tests do we play there ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:10 PM
You must be kidding Karachi Lahore Faislabad Multan are all dry pitches go and check ur stats.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:19 PM
Joke of the day Pakistan got bouncy pitches.They got dry and flat pitches thats why their Fasties invent Reverse Swing ,Sarfaraj Nawaj is called as Father of Reverse Swing
Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by Jay on Sep 17, 2011 11:53 AM
Pace is not what matters. KMPH or MPH is just for the statisticians. A Kapil will walk into any side with his bowling skills. Wasim Akram or McGrath or Hadlee or Walsh were getting more wickets because of mastery over swing and seam and not because of intimidating pace. Mohd Asif (who is more in news for all bad reasons) is more likely to get wickets for Pak than others if he is disciplined. RP and KP can not bowl consistently and can not match any of those spells regularly bowled by Kapil. Pace along with accuracy matters - like Marshall, Steyn. But that is a rare combination. Shoib or Shaun Tait are not required. Bowlers like any of the other greats mentioned above are welcome.
Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 12:20 PM
Dude all the above bowlers were not bowling at 120-125 km per hour.Wasim even during his end was bowling around 140 km hour regularly.Once Sunil Gavaskar said that" If a batsman said he likes to play Fast bowling ,then He is lying".Our vegetarian bowlers are just too slow better call them Fast Spinners
Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by Varun on Sep 17, 2011 02:50 PM
Dude not were indian greats and recent bowlers when they started coming into limemight. Even the munaf who bowls so slow now could bowl 135-140 initially and then magically his pace dropped. Bcz that is the only way he can prolong his career in India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time to bring in young fast bowlers
by silver mani on Sep 17, 2011 03:14 PM
Whats the point bowling one delivery in an over of around 135 km .Imraan Wasim Waqar or bret lee lillee they played a long career bur didnot drop their pace so much.Why?because they got Balls and strength in their body not like this anaemic guy
The last 3 months have been an excercise in Pain,Shame AND Horror.....for the Indian cricketing fan.Not for the players...they have only 3 Goals:money,money and more money with a lot stashed away in Swiss banks.Not for the BCCI either..they are using cricket to further their political agenda.And finally the selectors...the less said about the Idiots the better. There is only one road to recovery.Take the extra-ordinary amounts of cash out of this game.Now I am not saying that anyone should be banned or kicked out...simply this: all moneys made out of this game whether player salaries or rewards or endorsements or profits made by BCCI should be taxed at 90% flat rates. We fans will continue to bring money into the game..through purchase of high cost tickets or paying exorbitant prices for products advertised or in many other ways...lets ensure that it goes into the right pockets..not these screwed up players or selectors or BCCI.
Re: With slowest 1st 3 batsmen
by readiff mod on Sep 17, 2011 11:15 AM
cannot blame the bowlers in the belter of a pitch, even rahul could play and score fluently
Re: Ha ha...whats the prob...
by SRINIVASAN MUTHUSAMY on Sep 17, 2011 11:11 AM
Now our hokey players beat Pakistan win the championship but our idiot issue a prize money only 25000/- but our eleven idiot world cup champions got each crores of rupees. What a funny sports authority in india. Never get more than 2 medels from olympic or international games and in future also.
