So he beat up the Aussies and showed that Bradman was just another player (Remember they played with Aussie umpires too!) and for that he is reviled?
If Bradman averages 56 in a series in Aus against a hostile Harold Larwood and mild Bill Voce - what would he have averaged against Marshall, Holding, Croft and Garner? 36?
Jardine - the most ruthless captain ever and yes bodyline was legal at that time.
Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricket team....
by Niharika Sharma on Jul 20, 2011 09:56 PM
Bradman played 10/52 test i.e almost 20% tests against the weakest teams of his time[India and SA] with an avg of 190.25
Tendulkar played 14/171 i.e 8% of his tests against the weakest two teams of his time[Bangladesh and zimbabwe] with an avg of 91.47
Every players loves to play against one quality attack,Bradman loved English attack be it at home or in England. He has played 37/52 tests i.e. 71% of his matches against a single familiar opponent. so if V Shewag had played 71% of all his 82 test against his most favourite attack i.e Pakistan[He has an avg of 91 against them], his career avg would have been 80.43.
Bradman's avg had fallen considerably againt quality West Indian attack[74.50] or in bodyline series[55].Bodyline searies indicates one aspect that had he played in today's time with so much techno;ogy around opposition team would have definitely found some chinks or area of discomfort for Bradman, which he mostly escaped in that era.
The point is simple in todays age and time if Bradman had played he would have an avg of around 70 certainly nt 99.94 which was a sheer accident of time.
Had tendulkar played in similar type i.e more matches against the weakest teams or more matches against his favourite attack or only in India and Australian wicket year after year, his avg will also be somewhere near 70.
Also when Tendulkar is playing as a member of one of the finest batting line up where Shewag/Laxman/Dravid is diverting the focus of opposi
Re: Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricket team....
by Niharika Sharma on Jul 20, 2011 09:56 PM
Also when Tendulkar is playing as a member of one of the finest batting line up where Shewag/Laxman/Dravid is diverting the focus of opposition, in the last few years, he is scoring runs just like bradman did. Where as tendulakr mostly carried the burden of a weak indian batting line up at least up to 2000 [11 yrs of his career] where opposition knwe one thing [Out tendulkar and india is gone] and so they did everything to get him out. Today getting tendulkar out is nt enough.Bradman mostly played in a team where he was nt the only match winner.
Sachin Tendulkar is the best batsman ever....!!!!
Bradman had an average of 99.96...but 75% (5200 out 6996) runs have come against only one opposition....England.
Bradman played in an era where pitches were not covered....but that was negated by the restriction that bowlers should not be bowling above the waist height of a batsman...!!!!
Bradman and Co did not have an helmet...but the bowlers were not allowed to bowl into their ribcage.....when they bowled into their ribcage...it turned out to be a "Body Line Serie"....Bradman averaged 56 in the bodyline series...It brings down to the conclusion that had bradman also played in the current era where the bowlers target the ribcage of the batsman, he would have also ended up his average in his 50's...!!!
Re: Re: Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricket team..
by Niharika Sharma on Jul 20, 2011 09:57 PM
In spite of all these Don is perhaps the best but narrowly. Yes probably he is the only batsman in the cricket history who can come closer to bradman and perhaps equivalent to him.
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by Another Critic on Jul 20, 2011 10:07 PM
With 99 international tons, started at 16 with all the hype and going well even at 38 retaining that hype all these 22 years, Tendulkar is unarguably the best and above Bradman.
You can't become Don by naming yourself Don; our very own Sachin is the real Don. Sachin "The Don" Tendulkar.
Re: Re: Re: Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricket te
by Niharika Sharma on Jul 20, 2011 10:10 PM
Actually baring Bradman's unusual avg, at evry era most great batsmen had averaged between 50-60 whether they played with helmet or w/o it, whether pitch was covered or nt. Bt Don played too much of cricket either against his most fav or against weakest team, he didnt play so many countries in so many different pitches.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricke
by NashikMarathi on Jul 20, 2011 10:43 PM
Check the number of batsmen averaging over 50 in pre and post helmet era and you will be surprised....
Nowadays an average over 50 or near 50 is common - In the past it was one player per team averaging over 50 or near 50.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricke
by NashikMarathi on Jul 21, 2011 02:52 AM
No dissection is equal to the dissection of a fast ball directed at a bare head. That makes a batsman turn chicken in an instant. Today's batsmen don't have to worry about turning chicken as they have the helmet and the visor.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I would make Jardine the captain of my cricke
by Niharika Sharma on Jul 20, 2011 11:23 PM
Also dont forget today batsmen are disected like never before with the help of latest technology. Opposition team will rarely bowl at his scoring zone, making run is far more difficult now because of that and much better fielding[thanks 50-50 n 20-20].
This poll has missed out on many many cricket greats ... a few are mentioned below ... doubt if the persons who have taken this poll know about them. Each one is special !!!
1. W G Grace 2. C Turner 3. J J Ferris 4. C G Maccartney 5. V Trumper 6. A D Nourse 7. Wally Hammond 8. S Barnes 9. G Lohmann 10. R Lindwall 11. G Headley 12. W Ponsford 13. G Jessop 14. F Wooley 15. F Spofforth 16. W Rhodes 17. J Hobbs
These players have played cricket without using helmets on uncovered pitches. If our current set of pampered cricketers played under those conditions, they would show their true colours!!!
In today's scenario, cricket has been made into a batsman's game ... just to satisfy the current cricket fans and spectators. Fans come to watch the cricketers bat -- not to watch them bowl. The bowler suffers the most.
In the not too distant past (before money came into the picture), there were sporting wickets which gave a chance both to the batsmen and the bowlers. That was when cricket was played in the true sense.
Today's cricket is about 4s, 6s, batsmen scoring heavily on flat pitches and so on ... a hybrid modern version ... which is "good viewing on television"!!!
With the money most of our current cricketers are earning, they are laughing all the way to the bank. And who pays them??? WE, the cricket spectator and fan!!!
Finally, this opinion poll has clearly demonstrated the lack of knowledge possessed by curre
Re: For a change ... Boycott is right
by Jaya S on Jul 20, 2011 07:04 PM
Rohan, very well written. Kids and especially Sachin fans know nothing about cricket. You have hit on some excellent past cricketers and your logic about fans being pampered by flat tracks is true. Those days, only a select few averaged over 50 in tests, now every Tom, Dick and Sachin has 50 . So what's the big deal.
Re: Re: For a change ... Boycott is right
by Jay S on Jul 20, 2011 08:10 PM
This is an insult to Sachin. Please don't mix the money with his achievements over the past 20 years. He has earned every single penny through his hard work. The game of cricket has brought so much joy and fun to the people of India in the past decade. Sachin started playing when he was only 16. He took the fast bowling of Waqar and Akram. I will never believe or support Boycott. He always hated Ganguly, who brought the fighting spirit to the Indian Cricket that was missing for so many decades. Such a shame that you write like this for Sachin. If you see the players in baseball or football in USA, they make so much money as well, some of the big players have used drugs to enhance their power. Sachin has achieved so much without any controversy. I rest my case...
Re: For a change ... Boycott is right
by sanjay on Jul 20, 2011 07:19 PM
1) WG grace matches 22 Runs 1098 Higest score 170 Average 32.29 centyrues 2 Fifty 5
All matches played against Australia no other team. Fielding - poor opened for England at the age of 50 His reputation for gamesmanship and as a bully was emphasised with each passing summer, and was facilitated by timid umpires and opponents and sycophants who, overwhelmed by his force of character, allowed him to prevail. In 1876, one of his greatest summers, in a non-first-class match for the travelling United South XI against Twenty-Two of Grimsby he was excused a plumb lbw when 6 because, conceded the umpire, the crowd had indeed come to see him play. He went on to 400 not out. In reality, as the players left the field, the scorer made it 399, but WG urged him to round it up to 400, and that was exactly what he did.
This poll has missed out on many many cricket greats ... a few are mentioned below ... doubt if the persons who have taken this poll know about them. Each one is special !!!
1. W G Grace 2. C Turner 3. J J Ferris 4. C G Maccartney 5. V Trumper 6. A D Nourse 7. Wally Hammond 8. S Barnes 9. G Lohmann 10. R Lindwall 11. G Headley 12. W Ponsford 13. G Jessop 14. F Wooley 15. F Spofforth 16. W Rhodes 17. J Hobbs
These players have played cricket without using helmets on uncovered pitches. If our current set of pampered cricketers played under those conditions, they would show their true colours!!!
In today's scenario, cricket has been made into a batsman's game ... just to satisfy the current cricket fans and spectators. Fans come to watch the cricketers bat -- not to watch them bowl. The bowler suffers the most.
In the not too distant past (before money came into the picture), there were sporting wickets which gave a chance both to the batsmen and the bowlers. That was when cricket was played in the true sense.
Today's cricket is about 4s, 6s, batsmen scoring heavily on flat pitches and so on ... a hybrid modern version ... which is "good viewing on television"!!!
With the money most of our current cricketers are earning, they are laughing all the way to the bank. And who pays them??? WE, the cricket spectator and fan!!!
Finally, this opinion poll has clearly demonstrated the lack of knowledge possessed by curre
Re: For a change ... Boycott is right
by Jay S on Jul 20, 2011 08:02 PM
How much Geoff Bullshit Boycott paid you to write this? Boycott has always been a big bullshitter. There is no comparison with Sachin's records. I think, there is no other opening batsman like Sehvag. You need to go there and face the fast bowling of the current era before saying all these things. Stop supporting the Englishman who are upset because so many of the sub-continent players are in this team...
Re: Re: For a change ... Boycott is right
by Rohan Shah on Jul 20, 2011 09:12 PM
Jay
Boycott has not paid me anything to write this article.
Note that the list contains players who played on uncovered wickets without helmets. Under these conditions, Sachin would certainly score runs, but not as much as what he scores now. As for Sehwag, he would have some success if any.
If some of the batsmen in this list faced the fast bowling of the current era on these flat pitches and wearing helmets, they would certainly score mountains of runs. Are you aware that Ponsford has 2 first class scores over 400 runs? Or that Jessop has hit around 12 hundreds in less than an hour? Or Maccartney once scored 345 runs in a day? That too on uncovered wickets without protection. Imagine what they will do in the current era.
It is not easy to play on uncovered wickets where there is uncertain bounce. In addition, the pitches were sporting and were helpful to bowlers. Today, with flat pitches and helmets, any average player can score a lot of runs.
Most of the responses to this opinion poll are from people in the subcontinent who blindly consider statistics as the only yardstick to greatness. Further, they are not aware of the rich history of cricket ... as a result, they only know about cricket players over the last 30 years and have given their opinion based on this.
Finally, with regard to this opinion poll, someone once said that there are 3 types of falsehood: lies, damn lies & statistics ......
This poll has missed out on many many cricket greats ... a few are mentioned below ... doubt if the persons who have taken this poll know about them. Each one is special !!!
1. W G Grace 2. C Turner 3. J J Ferris 4. C G Maccartney 5. V Trumper 6. A D Nourse 7. Wally Hammond 8. S Barnes 9. G Lohmann 10. R Lindwall 11. G Headley 12. W Ponsford 13. G Jessop 14. F Wooley 15. F Spofforth 16. W Rhodes 17. J Hobbs
These players have played cricket without using helmets on uncovered pitches. If our current set of pampered cricketers played under those conditions, they would show their true colours!!!
In today's scenario, cricket has been made into a batsman's game ... just to satisfy the current cricket fans and spectators. Fans come to watch the cricketers bat -- not to watch them bowl. The bowler suffers the most.
In the not too distant past (before money came into the picture), there were sporting wickets which gave a chance both to the batsmen and the bowlers. That was when cricket was played in the true sense.
Today's cricket is about 4s, 6s, batsmen scoring heavily on flat pitches and so on ... a hybrid modern version ... which is "good viewing on television"!!!
With the money most of our current cricketers are earning, they are laughing all the way to the bank. And who pays them??? WE, the cricket spectator and fan!!!
Finally, this opinion poll has clearly demonstrated the lack of knowledge possessed by curre
This poll has missed out on many many cricket greats ... a few are mentioned below ... doubt if the persons who have taken this poll know about them. Each one is special !!!
1. W G Grace 2. C Turner 3. J J Ferris 4. C G Maccartney 5. V Trumper 6. A D Nourse 7. Wally Hammond 8. S Barnes 9. G Lohmann 10. R Lindwall 11. G Headley 12. W Ponsford 13. G Jessop 14. F Wooley 15. F Spofforth 16. W Rhodes 17. J Hobbs
These players have played cricket without using helmets on uncovered pitches. If our current set of pampered cricketers played under those conditions, they would show their true colours!!!
In today's scenario, cricket has been made into a batsman's game ... just to satisfy the current cricket fans and spectators. Fans come to watch the cricketers bat -- not to watch them bowl. The bowler suffers the most.
In the not too distant past (before money came into the picture), there were sporting wickets which gave a chance both to the batsmen and the bowlers. That was when cricket was played in the true sense.
Today's cricket is about 4s, 6s, batsmen scoring heavily on flat pitches and so on ... a hybrid modern version ... which is "good viewing on television"!!!
With the money most of our current cricketers are earning, they are laughing all the way to the bank. And who pays them??? WE, the cricket spectator and fan!!!
Finally, this opinion poll has clearly demonstrated the lack of knowledge possessed by curre
