It was utter chaos after fall of dhoni's wicket.. there was appeals turn down, beaten with swing and stein was breathing fire. it looked india will collapse 100 runs short. a lesser mortal would have done something silly like counter attack and perished.. but not tendulkar. after watching him for 20 years..my admiration grew one more time yesterday...
As tendulkar scored the century, there is no option left for india except losing he atch to keep with the records. ist test with sa india lost, now also india is likely to lose.
Re: india will lose
by Adnan on Jan 05, 2011 11:11 AM
Thats the problem with Tendulkar's hundreds...don't you think he should be dropped for this 'habit'?
Re: Re: india will lose
by rajib sen on Jan 05, 2011 12:14 PM
@ Adnan Thats not the problem with Tendulkar's hundreds... The things is that u r not digest Sachin hundreds & felling jealous of it...
Re: Re: india will lose
by Radhakrishnan on Jan 05, 2011 11:39 AM
Kid... you need to grow... Just go through the sachin records, india won 75% of matches when sachin scored 100 ...
Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire....!!
by arvin g on Jan 05, 2011 09:03 AM
there is no if sehwag fails... sehwag will fail mostly... he is a hit or miss batsman mostly misses... but then he is protected by saying that is his style...
Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire....!!
by Sameer on Jan 05, 2011 09:24 AM
Arvin Q
Well you have to not depend on Sehwag for responsible innings.
He is the guy who can turn matches. Matches heading for draw can be turned because of him. But all this X factor comes with a price. The price that he cannot be burdened to play a responsible innings.
That burden is meant to be shared by tendy/dravid and laxman.
Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire...
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 09:31 AM
Sameer:
Maybe the answer is to have a more consistent opener who can contribute more to regular and consistent Indian wins rather than trying to turn around a few draws here and there?
Re: Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retir
by Sameer on Jan 05, 2011 09:36 AM
Against Pseudos
well yeah, but then again a team is successful when they have 1-2 players with that X factor. Having the same dimension player doesn't always work for a team
You need to have players that compliment others.
Steyn and Morkel -- good god They compliment each other so well. I know steyn got the wickets, but the day Steyn fails, Morkel might be the one among the wickets. You need players that compliment their team mates.
No ones perfect, hence you need members that can cover your weakness :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman R
by Sameer on Jan 05, 2011 09:49 AM
Against Psuedos
Steven Smith doesn't really compliment anyone as far as I could see. He is in the team as an allrounder , more of an bowling allrounder, though his strength is in his batting.
Sehwag compliments the middle order by his ability to give a flying start. Dravid at #3 is the steady batsman that India need.
Tendy/Dravid /Laxman are all solid and Steady. But to score quickly is not their forte anymore. Thats where Sehwag comes in. If he gives India the kind of start he is capable off , the middle order can Chip away at the remaining score and win.
Classic example is the 390 something that we chased in Chennai, where Sehwag's blitz made the diff between draw and a win.
ofcourse tendy and Yuvraj did finish the job for us :), but it was Sehwag's blitz that paved the way for the team to win :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retir
by Sameer on Jan 05, 2011 09:35 AM
well yeah, but then again a team is successful when they have 1-2 players with that X factor. Having the same dimension player doesn't always work for a team against Pseudos
You need to have players that compliment others.
Steyn and Morkel -- good god They compliment each other so well. I know steyn got the wickets, but the day Steyn fails, Morkel might be the one among the wickets. You need players that compliment their team mates.
No ones perfect, hence you need members that can cover your weakness :)
Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire....!!
by navdeep johar on Jan 05, 2011 09:33 AM
Sehwag is hit not miss biggest matchwinner INDIA HAS, MY FRIEND PL KNOW UR GAME
Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire...
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 09:43 AM
:) When was the last time he played outside the sub-continent pitches?
The last one I remember was his 151 at Adelaide 3 years back..
Re: Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retir
by joydip bhattacharya on Jan 05, 2011 12:00 PM
yes..That was the innings which transformed Indian team and statrted believing we can defeat Aus
Re: Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire...
by arvin g on Jan 05, 2011 10:26 AM
sehwag being the biggest match winner is false media created myth atleast when wins abroad are concerned... sehwag never scored 50 in a winning cause for india outside subcontinent... he can only smash on flat subcontinent pitches and there also he just got 19 scores of above 50 where india won... so there is no basis to call him biggest match winner... check ur statistics...
Re: Re: The day Sachin, Dravid & Laxman Retire....!!
by joydip bhattacharya on Jan 05, 2011 11:57 AM
But having Saying that one man who can make Indian win a easy cake is Shewag.... If he can play 2 sessions in 2nd innings then India will chase even 300 run quite easily.... I know there is beg if but only one man staying in teh crease for 2 session and India will win is only Shewag....Thats why he is so critical for India's 1 status
Re: When Sachin wins India loses.
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 07:01 AM
Michael Angelo:
It is indeed strange to see that you still hold Team India in such poor esteem... . :)
If you were a real patriot; you'd kindly explain why Laxman shouldn't retire immediately as he too - as per your own free admission - scores runs; which according to you is a 100% way to lose a match? ;-)
The maggots constantly creep out of the woodwork to snip at Tendulkar's heels! That is the gulf of achievement between the maggots(who continue in their ignorant bliss)and Tendulkar! The tall poppy has to be brought down by festering maggots who have nothing else going for them! Dale Steyn yesterday would have troubled every batsman in the world- past, present and future! The prodigious swing at high pace would have undone anyone. It was Tendulkar's supreme skill alone that kept him at bay! People who understand cricket will appreciate the tremendous contest between the best batsman in the world and the best bowler where neither gave ground!The ignorant readers who make sweeping comments without any appreciation of the finer aspects of cricket just reveal themselves as pitiable creatures(read maggots) who live in the darkness of their ignorance! Hope some light illumines their dense,foggy brains! Maybe chanting the Gayatri Mantra daily may help!
Re: Re: India will win this test and the series
by Gurjot Singh on Jan 05, 2011 04:42 AM
The first test's outcome was determined by the coin toss. Had SA batted first, India would be up 2-0. There is no stopping this Indian juggernaut.
Re: Re: Re: Re: India will win this test and the series
by Saravanan Subramanian on Jan 05, 2011 10:11 AM
I don't see any point in your argument. What Gurjot singh said is right. On the first day of first test, it just rained before we started to bat and the condition was very hostile to batting. So, if SA batted first, they too would have collapsed on that day. So, toss played a very crucial role in the first test. So, we shouldn't attribute the collapse on the first test first innings to Team's ability - that is unfair.
Re: Re: Re: Re: India will win this test and the series
by megha on Jan 05, 2011 08:20 AM
how can you record? where can u keep the record book? who are u to record?
Though Tendya played a good knock, what surprises all is why he inspite of playing so many matches cant have answers to Steyn bowling. He can pick his outswingers from outside off stump and clobber to onside right? Adam gilchrist,bradman,laxman are good at playing suck kind of outswingers, outside off rising deliveries by picking those from outside off stump and playing to onside area like pulling,driving etc
Re: Tendya - interesting questions
by Swati on Jan 05, 2011 02:52 AM
If you know how to play cricket better than Sachin, why are you not playing for India? Anybody can talk cause talk is cheap.
Re: Tendya - interesting questions
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 04:38 AM
CCFAN:
Very well said... If only Sachin had perfected as per YOUR expert coaching; he would have been the ONLY batsman in test history to never get out even a single time and score a minimum of 300 runs per innings due to his captain declaring always... :)
Re: Re: Tendya - interesting questions
by randhir reynolds on Jan 05, 2011 03:26 AM
He had to play this type of game because the situation demanded it. That's why he is the best there is. See Sewvag, he plays just one type of game and so you cannot depend on him. He is a good player, but if he scores he scores else he gets out for nothing. In a test match your skill is tested. You have to adapt and change according to the situation. Tendulkar did just that. Now a days a test finishes within 3 to 4 days because players dont have the ability to stick at the wicket or play according to the situatin and play a long innings. So enjoy the best while you can because once Tendulkar, Laxman and dravid go believe it or not you will never see that class in test matches ever. They are the last actual test players left in the game around the world and among all teams.
Re: Tendya - interesting questions
by PS on Jan 05, 2011 06:16 AM
So what!! Dale Steyn is no 1 bowler in test cricket. It doesnt mean that if you have experience of too many matches means that you can score century/double century in each and every match by default. Cricket is a game where anyone who plays better will win.So it doesnt matter whether an highly experienced batsman fails against a novice bowler or a experienced bowler is hammered for too many sixes by a new comer batsmen(Shane warne though a good bowler was hammered for too many sixes by batsmen of Indian subcontinent). "The better you play than your opponents,you have every chance to win" this is the law of any game. Well every game is a new game and climatic conditions for every game at different venues are not same. Well you mentioned of other so many players in your post.I would say that Sachin is different from them. So how can you expect Sachin to play like those players. Every batsman has a different style. I hope that your curiosity is solved to a better extent.
Re: Re: Re: Tendya - interesting questions
by rajib sen on Jan 05, 2011 12:29 PM
Sameer...
Nowdays its a regular habits of some Sachin haters to barks in so many ways..if he played well or not that does not matter or make any differences..They only know one things,how to blame only Sachin..
Re: Re: Tendya - interesting questions
by arvin g on Jan 05, 2011 09:12 AM
people doubting sachin or bashing him are just born losers with mental imbalance... they need to bark like crazy street stray dogz at sachin to let our their frustration...
Steyn and co bowlers showed the art of consistent centered good length area(of the pitch map) bowling a mix of outswing,inswing,rising outgoing,incoming deliveries.
Thats what I have been saying since a long time that, Indian bowlers especially Sreeshant,Ishant who are both talented to learn the art of bowling consistent outswingers,late outswingers, inswingers,late inswingers etc from the center of good length area(of the pitch map). Unless our bowlers learns this art, learn to bowl like that regulary by looking and comparing their bowling against SA bowlers using videos, they cant be great strike bowlers and win matches for India.
Yesterday bowling by Steyn is a great lesson for any bowler(even aspiring) to learn the art of bowling and what it means bowling consistently from the center of good length area(of the pitch map).
Also, our bowlers should anaylze why they cant take wickets like SA etc by watching yesterday match video that depicts Steyn and co bowling.
In the 2nd innings of SA batting, our bowlers zak and Sreeshant getting clobbered all over the park is an indication that our bowlers lack the art the understanding of consistent centered good length area bowling(mix of outswingers,inswingers etc)
Re: India Bowlers vs SA Bowlers
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 04:39 AM
CCFAN:
Very well analysed... It also shows the pathetic batting line up South Africa has; which couldn't score even 375 in front of that poor bowling you just described... :)
Re: India Bowlers vs SA Bowlers
by NashikMarathi on Jan 05, 2011 02:40 AM
Maybe there is also the matter of bending the back. Steyn bowling upper 88,89,90,91 mph is more threatening than Zaheer who was today bowling 76, 77,78,79 mph rarely touching 80mph.
Re: Re: India Bowlers vs SA Bowlers
by PS on Jan 05, 2011 06:23 AM
Absolutely correct Also one point is that Bowlers of SA/AUS/ENG/WI have advantage of height hence they can generate good pace in bowling with bending their back while bowling. Bowlers from Indian subcontinent has to rely on shoulders hence cannot bend their back too often for generating pace and also their height is slightly above average.Hence our bowlers have to take precautions against shoulder injuries hence less speed.
Steyn and co bowlers should the art of consistent centered good length area(of the pitch map) bowling both outswing,inswing,rising outgoing,incoming deliveries.
Thats what I have been seeing since a long time that, Indian bowlers especially Sreeshant,Ishant who are both talented to learn the art of bowling consistent outswingers,late outswingers, inswingers,late inswingers etc from the center of good length area(of the pitch map). Unless our bowlers learns this art, bowls like that regulary by looking and comparing their bowling against SA bowlers using videos, they cant be great strike bowlers. Yesterday bowling by Steyn is a great lesson for any bowler to learn the art of bowling and what it means bowling from the center of good length area(of the pitch map).
Also, our bowlers should anaylze why they cant take wickets like SA etc by watching yesterday match video that depicts Steyn and co bowling.
Re: Indian bowlers vs SA Bowlers
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 04:40 AM
CCFAN:
Very well analysed... It also shows the pathetic batting line up South Africa has; which couldn't score even 375 in front of that poor bowling you just described... :)
Re: Indian bowlers vs SA Bowlers
by Against Pseudos on Jan 05, 2011 04:40 AM
CCFAN:
Very well analysed... It also shows the pathetic batting line up South Africa has; which couldn't score even 375 in front of that poor bowling you just described... :)
