Dhoni is an excellent one-day batsman undoubtedly.But he has no technique to play against quality bowling attack. This has been proved several times and it will be proved tomorrow as well. We are unfortunately going to lose the match tomorrow by more than 100 odd runs.
Re: Re: Dhoni is not a proper test batsman.
by Varun on Dec 28, 2011 03:17 PM
People learn how to raj. Mc grath is no magic bullet. Mcgrath can be played out as much as another bowler. But to do that one has to let go of some of the shots. For ex sachin .. he could counter mcgrath well when he could keep his nerve and not drive/push away from the body on the offside. And once settled, he did play mcgrath quite well. Your analysis is quite hollow.
Re: Dhoni is not a proper test batsman.
by Varun on Dec 28, 2011 03:15 PM
He does not have as sound a technique as our top players. That is correct. But his issues in tests is not inability to play quality bowling as one of the prevalent myths, but confusion as to how to pace his innings. He has fared quite well in ODIs in these conditions and also when ball has done quite a bit. But there he had the sense to let go of some of the shots, which he does not demonstrate in tests. I see a confused dhoni in tests. Even the body language when he bats is something else. He is fighting some daemons in tests for sure.
Re: Re: Dhoni is not a proper test batsman.
by sivaji theboss on Dec 28, 2011 03:44 PM
watajokerurLOL.Tendulkar dominated mcgrath frm 96 to 99.and after that it was the mcgrath the winner.LOL
is in building teams and making fighters out of minnows. Let Dhoni prepare a team first and make them world beaters after troika retires. Having chamchas like raina around will not make life easy for Indian cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by raj iyer on Dec 28, 2011 02:16 PM
dhoni is average keeper...poor batsman overseas...team leader???..there are several capable of that..he is only enjoying the benefits of a great readymade team put together in early 2000s. In this test also batting revolvs around sachin dravid and laxman..what will happen to your team leader after these guys finally retire?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:20 PM
ravi misra if everything is so easy according to you then why these results have come only after dhoni appeared on the scene...if he is so useless why did not such results come before his appearance on the international scene?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:21 PM
sorry, i mean raj iyer...give anybody else the captaincy and let india play where dhoni is not there as a captain, batsman and wicket keeper...then you will understand the value of dhoni and how he impacts the indian team and its results...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by raj iyer on Dec 28, 2011 02:29 PM
no results started coming after azhar left and dada took over.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Crazy Diamond on Dec 28, 2011 02:25 PM
Dude, why to report messages? If dont have the guts to talk/discuss... dont turn up here!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:32 PM
wrong again raj iyer, results started coming after azhar came on the scene...only after azhar came we started winning more than before...in fact we have win more odi tournaments (that is FINALS) than when ganguly was captain...in fact ganguly has the dubious record of reaching most of no. of finals and NOT winning...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by raj iyer on Dec 28, 2011 02:38 PM
Azhar's only contribution is his later years was match fixing and promoting mongia and jadeja. In fact mongia specialized in running out tendulkar...all time best indian keeper in my view is kirmani and sadanand vishwanath.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Varun on Dec 28, 2011 03:05 PM
hehe. More and more BS. Raj pl read and compare with facts before writing these myths again and again. Indeed when somebody experienced goes, it takes time for someone to fill that spot. But it does not mean world ends. There are people with talent and will come and replace.
Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:18 PM
thats very true...he is india's best wicket keeper-batsman till date...and he is light years ahead of his close competitors be it patel, karthick or saha...and he has his performance to back him...
Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by raj iyer on Dec 28, 2011 02:26 PM
my dear vaidya ji...everyone in indian team has value..no question about it..but preparing dead track and fixing WC is not taking us ahead. Dhoni is not as high value player as sachin saurav laxman dravid etc etc..further level of competition has also diminished. Best Indian team was in 2003 WC and they did very well considering opposition then.
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Varun on Dec 28, 2011 03:21 PM
hehe. You mean your fav team couldnt win it. If it was played in aus and they who are familiar with the conditions win, then all is well right ? dude you are parading your bias than any kind of logic.
Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by raj iyer on Dec 28, 2011 02:28 PM
we need good WC who can bat a bit..like saha type..and need 5 good batsmen..dont have defensive mentality. Dhoni is fit to play in India only.
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Crazy Diamond on Dec 28, 2011 02:33 PM
"we need good WC who can bat a bit..." Dont you think that this "who" of yours can be best replaced with Dhoni? Not only in the Indian team but any team for that matter... He has featured as captain in the ICC teams for something... may be not as great as you... but something Mr Iyer... Do you agree?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Crazy Diamond on Dec 28, 2011 02:37 PM
On what basis are you saying that? For a fresh instance, did you watch today's play at the MCG where he took a flying catch after Dravid dropped a sitter?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:37 PM
raj iyer, just check records of all indian wicket keepers and dhoni in all formats...you will get your answer...
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:36 PM
raj iyer ji, so far dhoni has proved better than saha, patel, karthik both in wicket keeping and batting both at home and abroad...and i dont why you want to take away credit from dhoni and claim wc was fixed...he has won away odi tournaments also and he has performed well in them also...like i said on one these pages he even started on a winning note abroad...he captained india to tri series win against aus, in aus with their best team and when they were no. 1 and we were without most of our seniors...and i have also given his batting performance in the tri series...
iyer bring patel, karthik or saha or anybody else let me assure you are not going to get a BETTER keeper and/or batsman than dhoni...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by raj iyer on Dec 28, 2011 02:40 PM
i am not promoting patel kartik or saha. I have been following dhonis keeping for quite sometime and feel he is just an average keeper and lucky captain to have a good side. But now with bhajji yuvi on sidelines...dravid saurav sachin laxman kumble etc gone or going...he will see his reality.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:52 PM
iyer, dhoni is a very practical and real person...he is humble and knows to live in present...he does not get depressed with losses and does not get overjoyed with success...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Jiju on Dec 28, 2011 03:48 PM
Raj Iyer, according to Vaidya Dhoni is the Indian Idol 2011 :) Dhoni is practical whereas the whole world is impractical, Dhoni is real whereas the whole world is unreal, anyone who criticizes Dhoni is a Sachin fan/fantard, he faces life with equanimity.... Rest all are losers. So, dont bother much about this kid Vaidya.
Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:44 PM
raj iyer, so go and check and compare dhoni record as a wicket keeper and batsman with those of sadanand vishwanath and kirmani both of whom you regard as better than dhoni....the results of the check will surprise and shock you...
and azhar may have been involved in spot fixing (not match fixing) and even if it is true it is silly to say that all the 300 plus odis and almost 100 tests were fixed..
Re: Re: Dhoni is brilliant behind the stumps...
by Crazy Diamond on Dec 28, 2011 02:44 PM
Haha... What a logic?! The web is meant for that only... and its more of use when the keeper is attempting a diving catch so that it can stick to the hands... But its nowhere written that if the keeper is catching using the web he's a bad keeper... I would rather call them smart to use the web appropriately! And do you really think he does that always? I dont think so!
Average of 37 in 101 innings with major share of batting in subcontinent is very very poor... I guess this is one of the most poor shows by no 6 indian batsmen in last 2 decades... I feel Uthappa can give better statistics in tests looking at his solid batting style....
I feel, we are just hoping for dhoni to click as he plays in ODI's but things are not working out......
Hey come on..... He is the guy who is supposed to have "single handedly" got all possible world cups & tournaments for India. He is supposed to be captain cool who motivates others. He is supposed to be the guy who is the reason for India being #1 in Tests/ODIs/T20s. He is supposed to be the reason why CSK won IPL/CLT20. He is supposed to be the past, present and future best captain, batsman, keeper {bowler? :)} of India......
What say Dhoni fantatics? Very crucial 6 runs by Dhoni right?? If India wins this match, u guys will say because of Dhoni's captaincy. If we lose, will u fantards blame him?
Re: Hey
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 01:46 PM
Jiju, I fail to understand where you got this information that dhoni ''single-handedly'' wins matches?
Yes many sachin fanatics have claimed sachin ''single-handedly'' wins matches? I dont think i have met anybody who claims dhoni wins matches ''single-handedlly''...
you are the first one who has made such a claim...
In fact i and many other dhoni fans have always given other 10 players their due credit...it is people like YOU who refuse to give ANY credit to dhoni when india wins and gives ALL blame to dhoni when india loses...
as far as i can see whenever we lose it is because of dhoni according to you and whenever we win it is because of other 10 players-- according to you...
Re: Re: Hey
by Jiju on Dec 28, 2011 01:47 PM
Sunil Vaidya, thanks for representing the fanatic association of Dhoni!! If u read properly, my message was to them. You responded as expected hereby strengthing my faith in you that you are also one of the fanatics!!
Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 01:52 PM
jiju, i think you count me as one of dhoni fanatics...i know you expected and wanted me to reply...i replied...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 01:59 PM
but i am NOT a dhoni fanatic and have never said he is somebody who can do anything and everything...
if you follow my posts closely you should have noticed that i have always agreed to his shortcomings, lack of technique etc. and i never praised him for anything that he is not...i have never claimed that he is our best T20 players. i know his T20 record is not very flattering and he needs to do something about it...
but with whatever technique he has in his own maverick way he has played effective cricket and given results...
i have always admitted that there are people with better record, better talent and better technique than him...but it is also true that he has succeeded where players having above better 3 qualities than him have failed...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:06 PM
jiju. whatever he lacks in technique and talent he makes up with his winning attitude...his fighting spirit...he refuses to give up easily and fights till the last..and that is why he succeeds many times where players with better record, talent and technique do not succeed...
dhoni does NOT crumble under pressure and in fact as yuvraj openly acknowledged dhoni takes to pressure as fish take to water...dhoni THRIVES on pressure...in fact one can say that the pressure brings the best out of him...
in his career whenever he was given more and more responsibilities he did not shirk his work and he shone with additional responsibilities...the more responsibility you give him the more we see how strong he is mentally as well as physically...
in spite of all these responsibilities he is still the fittest of them all and rarely has to miss any match due to injury...
it is a shame that inspite of all qualities there are people like you who hate and abuse him...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Jiju on Dec 28, 2011 02:06 PM
The reality is, YOU ARE A DHONI FANATIC. COntinue the good show. Maybe u r getting good money to do so :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:12 PM
jiju, the reality is YOU are a sachin fanatic and in disguise of a unbiased person is badmouthing dhoni...but like i said your dhoni hate is not going to take you anywhere...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 28, 2011 02:15 PM
and ravi misra i am also not a sachin hater...i simply dont like that he is given credit for the performances of other 10 players...
i dont mind giving him his DUE credit but i hate not HIM but his FANATICS who donate the credit of other 10 players performances to him when he has never asked for such credits...
in fact the truth is sachin agrees with most of my views and rarely agreed with his fanatics opinions...see all his statements you will find that he is of the same opinion as me and does not agree with his own fanatics...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey
by Jiju on Dec 28, 2011 02:20 PM
Sunil, this is one of the most hilarious moments of my life when u accuse me of being a fantard of the loser & midget Sachin. And I have no reason to disguise myself. If u still think I am pretending, not even your God can help you. Get well soon.
Re: Hey
by Varun on Dec 28, 2011 03:07 PM
You mean as per media. hehe. You really need to slow down and think before you write. FOr an exercise, pl demonstrate where dhoni ever took credit for any of these things.
Dhoni the best ODI batsman in the world currently though he is not technically sound but to perform high level in test match, you need to have a good Technic. Parthiv Patel have a better technic than dhoni and he also performed well in australia in previous tour when Gangugy was a captain.
Re: Re: Dhoni's problems
by vinay on Dec 28, 2011 01:33 PM
i wud prefer pujara replacing rahul. raina is doubtful. even gambhir is doubtful against genuine pacers.
