Vivian Richards is a Great player, If he plays , the nh e can easily score 250 in ODI.There will be no Power plays(Batting and Bowling)...He is a n unbeleivable man
Re: Viv is a Great Player, No one is near to VIVIAN
by Vijay Singh on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 AM
Who prevented him to score 200. He played on flat pitches too.
Since Indians are the toughest players in thw world. Also India fans bring in 2 Billion with a B for T-20 WHY DO INDIAN FANS INSISTS THAT INDIAN TRACKS ARE EASY OR FLAT OR BLAH BLAH BLAH... Why Why....
Re: When will people Dream of making a century on Indian
by Anuj Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 11:43 AM
Qanda, you have a long way to go in understanding the game. Please dont over stress your head, it is dangerous.
Every Season has its own speciality and every Flower has its own colour so it is foolish to compare any player with the past or present. Its a fact that he has scored the highest ODI innings whether its a flat track or difficult one but he has scored it........
Re: Viv is far far ahead
by Gutur Gutum on Dec 10, 2011 01:38 AM
What sort of argument is this? If this is the logic, then one could argue Viv never played McGrath, Warne or Murali.. Or for that matter he never faced Shoaib, Waqar, Kumble or Mushtaq..
Re: Viv is far far ahead
by Gutur Gutum on Dec 10, 2011 01:38 AM
What sort of argument is this? If this is the logic, then one could argue Viv never played McGrath, Warne or Murali.. Or for that matter he never faced Shoaib, Waqar, Kumble or Mushtaq..
Re: Re: Viv is far far ahead
by Kannan Kameswaran on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 PM
I TOO AGREE FLAT OR BOUNCY TRACK, DOUBLE CENTURY IS A DOULE CENTURY, THAT TOO EMULATING HIS HERO VIV WAS GREAT IN HIS OWN AND VIRU IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND ALSO GREAT
Re: Viv is far far ahead
by Ajit Panigrahi on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 PM
Richards is great with his sense of batsman ship dominated by his sheer superb timing, wonderful footwork, audacity in execution of the shots and brutal in execution tendulkar has in blend of Sir Richards 50% and his won individualism of brillient batsman ship which carried 20 yrs and 99 century. really it is nearly equal to sir Viv. Richards. Shewag is blended with exeptional hand and eye coordination for butla batting with weak foot work. all greats in their Rights. Richards vs tendulkar comperable with may parametic evalution of batsman ship. But Shewag is less brilliant less genious. ajit panigrahi Rayagada Oddisha
Sir Viv is the best. Definitely better than Sachin, Shewag or anyone. Bowlers scared to death seeing him in the pitch. He was a tiger. Never scared. First Innings or II innings or never played for records. Watch some fine innings in youtube.
BTW, Before the all important Oz tour, its good to have runs under their belt. I hope its not a false sense of security by scoring these runs in these flat tracks. See the Hobart pitch for the II test between Australia vs NZ. Indians might see one or two downunder. Lets see how these gents play there.
Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by usha sundaram on Dec 09, 2011 08:53 PM
Simply put comparing players of different generations is neither possible not is it correct.
Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by Kaka on Dec 09, 2011 09:18 PM
Agree with u, Sir Viv was the king (he was called King Richards) of all batsmen, though stats wise others are better than him..But in play and destruction, he was simply the best..the most destructive batsman of all times...he is acknowledged as one in the history of the game...The whole lot of Indian team from Sachin to VVS, Rahul, YUVI, Viru, Dhoni, etc..all are huge fans of the great Viv...Viv never wore a helmet and used to come to the batting crease like a king,,what a sight it was! all tha fast bowlers of his time and there were so many, incl his own Windies fast men like Roberts, Marshall, Holding, etc rated him as the best ever batsman they have ever bowled to....he was the best of them all...simply magnificent and unstoppable when in fullcry...have a feeling, had he played in current era, he would have slaughtered today's bowlers and in T20 he would have been the lord of them all...the best of them all..there will be another king SIR Vivian Richards for ever till this universe ends...
Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by Saurabh on Dec 11, 2011 04:22 PM
agree, Viv is the most distructive batsman of any era, lara, sachin or sehwag all are far far .... behind him
Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by Ahmed Shah on Dec 09, 2011 09:46 PM
viv richards never had to play against marshall holding garner roberts . in tests gavaskar was way better
Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by Kaka on Dec 09, 2011 09:58 PM
Though he never played in tests ag them, he played a lot ag them in Windies local championships and English county matches and did enormously well ag them, often slaughtering them...They all rated him as the best batsman they had ever bowled to and they cannot be lying...they were all great outstanding bowlers...do they??
Just see some of Sir Viv's innings in Kerry Packer's World Series Cricket of late 1970s where in he was rated the best batsmen of them all, playing several outstanding innings bordering on destruction and massacre..ag bowlers like Lillee, Thomson, Pascoe, Gilmour, Walker, Procter, Garth Le Roux, Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz, Clive Rice, and many others...all super fast on extremely lightning fast pitches of Australia....no one can compare with Sir Viv, the most destructive batsman of all times in the game's history....without helmet and other protective gear,..simply superb...Just watch some of those WSC innings on YOUTUBE...
Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 01:12 AM
If cricket is only about playing fast bowlers, nt playing spin well in a true spinning track[Viv danced to the tunes of N.Hirwani in a Chennai test 1988], he was certainly the greatest.Many thought best batsmen are those who can play lightning fast bowling as well as deadly spin which Sachin did for years all over the world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern greats
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 01:23 AM
Sorry, we will never compare Sachin with Viv, till Viv comes back from from retirement and makes 33000 internationsl runs snd 99 hundreds with enormous average surviving 22yrs of international cricket [Viv made 15000 international runs with 35 hundreds]. Just recollect the young Tendulkar, the way he had slaughtered all the great fast bowlers including westindian, australian, pakistanis and great spinners like abdul kadir. I have seen Viv batting, i have seen Shewag batting and I have seen young Sachin to bat. No one was as destructive as the young Sachin, simply unbelievable, he could play shots which Viv can dream in those days. Sure great sachin has curved his aggression over the years and today Viru can be called more dangerous than him or Viv.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by GARY on Dec 10, 2011 07:54 AM
DO u know how many Viv made in that match ag Hirwani? he made more than fifty in both innings when all his mates were crumbling. Viv played ag some of the greatest spinners of all times like Prasanna, Bedi, Chandra, Venkat, Mallet, Qadir, Underwood, Qasim, etc and scored heavily ag them...just look at the stats and then talk here..dont talk your hat off unnecessarily. Viru is good but no comparision to Sir Viv, the most destructive batsman of all times rated by all leading cricket experts...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by GARY on Dec 10, 2011 08:19 PM
Niharika, your points are like your muddled comments where in u have admitted that the helmet factor is a mistake on your part. Likewise is the rest of your many lengthy comments..there is no question of my glossing over your so called points for they are as worthless as it can be. Stay happy in your world, but know that your comments wont change the status of Sir Vivian Richards as the best of his time and the most destructive and fearsome batsman of all times in the history of the game..ok!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 08:30 AM
I have lotz respect for Viv and I loved him watchinh batting as much as i do Shewag but it is also a fact that your Viv used helmet against Chandra's spin. And Sir, I talk with stats, proper stats as I often check them to make my judgements, I have cross checked them, he had 68 and 4 in that test. In fact in the entire series he had only 1 centuray i.e in the first test at Delhi.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 08:38 AM
Viv played 15 test against india in india with only 3 centuary and 4 half centuary with an avg of 45 and he has played 9 against pakistan in pakistan with 1 centuary and 4 half centuaries at an avg of 43. Yes he has scored lots of runs in his home track or in England where he grew up playing county and very comfortable in those conditions. Where is his runs on real spinning tracks or what you call flat tracks where only subcontinent players can make runs but westindian or australian or british players cant. Viv is many way just as overrated as Sir Gary Sobers. Kallis is definitely a better all rounder than Sir Gary if we judge w/o beining nostalgic or emotional.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 08:48 AM
If Cricket is a game which is played only in WI,Aus,Eng,NZ then Sir Don, Sir Garry pr Sir Viv are the greatest as those are the condition where they were comfortable playing just like Shewag is comfortable playing in subcontinent tracks.But cricket is also about playing in India,Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh in true spinning tracks against deadly spin where most of these greats failed when they played. Just like it is easy for Shewag to whack WI or Aus fast bowlers playing on spinning track it was easy for many named greats to score against Indian military pace or spin on the fast tracks of their home countries. I know its hard to digest bt this is a fact. Why Sachin or Kallis or Ponting or Dravid are great cause they were successful in all kinds of wickets almost all over the world and look at their stats.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by GARY on Dec 10, 2011 09:35 AM
U are entitled to your views which does not make any difference for they are pure craps....your lack of knowledge can be seen from your telling that Sir Viv wore a helmet ag Chandra's spin..there are two simple reasons for your foolish thinking..one is helmet came into existance only after Chandra retired..Viv played ag Chandra in mid 1970s when there were no helmet...and secondly, Sir Viv throughout his career never wore a helmet...these are documented facts...your comments are just laughable..all cricket experts who have played the game at the highest level rate Sir GARY and Sir Viv way above all, the greatest of all times..both the best in their respective domains. Your comments wont make a dent...as they are basically filled with howlers like i pointed above..Good luck!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 PM
Sorry for the helmet pt, that seems to be somewhat incorrect, I remember that i read something long back...abt the incident..probably he told that he wished he had a helmet to protect himself from chandra. I will investigate further on this. Bt rest of the argument can be crosschecked by anyone.You smartly tried to ignore those points coz you know that those are true.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Saurabh on Dec 11, 2011 04:25 PM
Agree, what shots have sachin in his bag, even Viv and veru can dream of that
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Niharika Sharma on Dec 10, 2011 12:01 PM
If you thought it doesnt dent their credibility or stature, they you shouldnt have reacted the way you did. Deep inside you know that your justification is w/o proper data, full of emotions and felt threatened at my logic. It happens. Chill man. I hope you r nt Gary Sobers himself or a self proclaimed expert. I am cricket supporter and its we who will define who great and who lesser ones, experts may have many views [often can be biased], we also have our own wisdom and can make our own conclusions which are often based on pure data.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please dont compare VIV with any modern great
by Kannan Kameswaran on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 PM
Niharika don't not worry Let us just relive the catch taken by the then Captain Kapil, in WC 83 final, while India defended 180 and odd and won the Cup Let us cherish that, with the fact, that, even with King Viv in their ranks, and chasing a mere 180 , they wilted under pressure and lost the plot against us On that day, Kapil was the super Hero for that catch and not Viv Let us celebrate that
once again proved who is better batsman between sehwag and sachin and who is responsible for india wins in the last decade...
sehwag once again proved he can bat longer and bigger innings than sachin...200 in less innings than sachin...also many double hundreds and triple hundreds in tests! poor sachin!!
Re: poor sachin!!
by aaaa on Dec 09, 2011 08:58 PM
Take it easy man. Sehwag is like weather in US. when it will be warm and when it be cold no one knows.
Re: Re: Re: Re: poor sachin!!
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 10, 2011 07:21 AM
mahesh, lets also see sachin play like that in SA, do you think sachin could hit 200 in odi on SA pitches?
Re: Re: poor sachin!!
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 10, 2011 07:18 AM
same can be said about sachin...sachin also is at his best when no or vrey little pressure and when there is pressure situation he just collapses more often than not...
Re: Re: poor sachin!!
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 PM
Pseudo: It would be better if you READ what i have written before parading your grasping disabilities...:)
If you had read my post or grasped it you should understand that i was speaking of all formats...in tests he has done it numerous times -hitting double hundreds and triple hundreds in tests...now he has bettered sachin in odis also...:)
according to people like sehwag cannot last long or build big innings...which is completely untrue of course...he has so many double and triple hundred in tests in FEWER innings than sachin which proves that it is sachin who cannot last as long as sehwag can or make big scores as sehwag can...in fact at one time sehwag's 13-14 test hundreds in succession were scores of 150 plus...funny how so many ignorant fans think that he has no ability to last long on the wicket...:) but of course a handicapped person like you has various medical issues psychological issues etc. so i am not surprised by your post...:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: poor sachin!!
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2011 06:58 AM
Pseudo: YOU get happy ONLY when sachin makes ''personal records''...YOU NEVER get happy when OTHERS make ''personal records''...:)
Re: Re: Re: poor sachin!!
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 PM
according to people like you sehwag cannot last long or build big innings...which is completely untrue of course...he has so many double and triple hundred in tests in FEWER innings than sachin which proves that it is sachin who cannot last as long as sehwag can or make big scores as sehwag can...in fact at one time sehwag's 13-14 test hundreds in succession were scores of 150 plus...funny how so many ignorant fans think that he has no ability to last long on the wicket...:) but of course a handicapped person like you has various medical issues psychological issues etc. so i am not surprised by your post...:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: poor sachin!!
by Against Pseudos on Dec 10, 2011 04:47 PM
:-). Interesting why YOU get similarly "handicapped" with mental issues when Sachin scores. ;-)
Re: poor sachin!!
by sanjay on Dec 11, 2011 05:48 PM
Sachin Centuries while wining since 1 jan 2001 till today now a days he does not play with Club class international teams as Sehwag plays. He is growing old while Sehwag is not in that age group.
Test centuries 15 average 222.50 Strike rate 57.85
ODI centuries 12 average 227.42 Strike rate 109.04
Sehwag Centuries while winning since 1 jan 2001 till today
Test centuries 7 average 213.36 Strike rate 92.36 No non sub continental pitches Test centuries
ODI centuries 14 average 151.16 Strike rate 124.75
I like viru and his style of batting but all means no comparison to King Viv. I havent seen Bradman but Viv is different kind during his time, single handedly destroyed best of the attacks.
During King Viv times, Cricket pitches are not tailor-made for batsmen and not enough protective gear.
By saying that Viru's attitude is amazing and we all love that.
Re: King is greatest..
by harish subramanian on Dec 09, 2011 08:20 PM
Sir Viv is the best. Definitely better than Sachin, Shewag or anyone. Bowlers scared to death seeing him in the pitch. He was a tiger. Never scared. First Innings or II innings or never played for records. Watch some fine innings in youtube.
