The person who deserves this kind of praise is Sourav Ganguly. Greg Chappel very badly mis-managed things when he was at the helm of affairs. He simply had a bull doze kind of attitude which does not build morale and team spirit. But the yougsters whom Ganguly had supported all through out like Yuvraj and Dhoni, were matured to carry on the reigns of Indian cricket. Ganguly was the one who drove Indian cricket out from the tumultous era afterr Azahruddin and leter instilled in the team a sense of aggressiveness, the belief that they can win. Sadly, the man who did the right thing, did not have many supporters in cricket establishment by the end of the day.
Re: I disagree with this article
by Maximus Meridius on Apr 08, 2011 05:37 AM
I believe Dhoni became a permanent fixture in the Indian team only under Dravid. You are right about Yuvraj though... Ganguly has supported Yuvraj (sometimes perhaps even when his form did not warrant it) over other cricketers like Badani and Kaif. Ganguly did a lot for Indian cricket for sure. However, given his poor form (ran for 2 yrs), it was hard to justify his place in the team. In other words, he deserved to be dropped given the way he was playing.
Re: Re: I disagree with this article
by Andy Louis on Apr 08, 2011 06:16 AM
Maximus. What are you blabbering? Sourav Ganguly was never out of form in ODI's. Check his batting statistics. He was the highest scorer in 2007 for ODIs. The only person deserved to be dropped was Rahul Dravid who was never an ODI player. Rahul is neither a 20-20 player nor an ODI player. Greg Chappell ensured that India does not do well in the 2007 WC by disintegrating a champion team. If the team was so bad they should not have won agains Australia in Australia. Greg chappell is a crook and the whole of India knows this except for D'rabid' fans who were anti india and anti ganguly.
Re: Re: Re: I disagree with this article
by Maximus Meridius on Apr 08, 2011 07:00 AM
Who is talking about 2007, you dolt. The main issue was his form from 2004-2006, when he got dropped. In 2005, his average in 31 games was 17. In 2004, his average was 32. Both are sub-par for an opening batsman/number 3. His strike rate was always in the low 70s, or even lower in that period. What's the point of having him then? That is when he was dropped both as captain and as a player.
If Dravid is not an ODI player, then neither are Kallis or Gambhir. Their purpose in the side is to hold one end up and score mainly in singles and twos, while other shot makers (like Ganguly) went for big shots. Such people are necessary when the top order is dismissed quickly (like Gambhir did in the WC final) Dravid is not a T20 player, for sure. He was never picked to represent India in T20s. Dravid will always play slower than the big hitters. His job is to stabilize a crunch situation, potentially on a bowler friendly track.
Re: Re: Re: Re: I disagree with this article
by S Narain on Apr 08, 2011 12:40 PM
Sourav stats during lean phase u have shown is wrong..even during his poor form his avg was 28 not 17...whereas Dhonis avg before finalwas less than 20 in 19 matches...U dumb head!!!!!!!
Dravid was accomodated as wicket keeper by Sourav and what Dravid did to Sourav with help of greg is everyones knowledge........backstabbed him!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Re: I disagree with this article
by Maximus Meridius on Apr 08, 2011 07:01 AM
Who is talking about 2007, you dolt. The main issue was his form from 2004-2006, when he got dropped. In 2005, his average in 31 games was 17. In 2004, his average was 32. Both are sub-par for an opening batsman/number 3. His strike rate was always in the low 70s, or even lower in that period. What's the point of having him then? That is when he was dropped both as captain and as a player.
If Dravid is not an ODI player, then neither are Kallis or Gambhir. Their purpose in the side is to hold one end up and score mainly in singles and twos, while other shot makers (like Ganguly) went for big shots. Such people are necessary when the top order is dismissed quickly (like Gambhir did in the WC final) Dravid is not a T20 player, for sure. He was never picked to represent India in T20s. Dravid will always play slower than the big hitters. His job is to stabilize a crunch situation, potentially on a bowler friendly track.
Re: I disagree with this article
by Vikram Raj on Apr 08, 2011 08:29 AM
true, but then Ganguly knew how to graciously exit from test matches. But, not sure what happened to him that he demanded to play in the IPL... though his success was very limited.
Re: Re: I disagree with this article
by S Narain on Apr 08, 2011 12:49 PM
Sourav scored 183 against Srilanka in WC2009--still unbroken
scored almost 500 run in 2003 WC and lead team from front to reach final of world cup...
What Dravid did in 2007...team India ousted in first round!!!
Dravid was helped by Sourav into World cup and see the backstabber....all dravid fans are backstabber..Sorav was surely a great Captain vouched by Australians ,Srilankans(sangakkara accepeted it)....so do not show your pettiness coming out of regional biases!!!!!!!!!!
Kapil Dev-the best on hand,but as%#oles in the BCCI will not let him also zonal politics. Manoj Prabhakar-excellent swing maestro,but betting charges.....no chance. Chetan Sharma-one hears drug-problems and the 'six' from Miandad,still not forgotten. Roger Binny-another of Kapil's mates,good one-day bowler,again politics. Sreenath-????? Venkatesh-zing was missing. Kapil's original coach,afterall, he was paaji's only guru ????age might be a factor. Definitely our country can throw up more bowling coaches,why just foreigners.
Re: Indian Coach
by saket swarup on Apr 08, 2011 02:10 AM
Kapil was coach of indian team in 1999, and was worst, he was dragged in to match fixing and cried in front of camera after that. he is one of the most respected cricketer of india, and he should remain same, he should stay away from any such things which ruin his greatest indian alrounder.
Re: Indian Coach
by Vikram Raj on Apr 08, 2011 08:32 AM
Kapil Dev had his chance. Not every great player can make a great coach. Manoj Prabhakar - the first chucker, thankfully India's last. He did teach Azhar and Jadeja though. Srinath - has a job as match referee Venkatesh Prasad - coached Kumble.
Re: Re: Shuan Pollock
by satadru shastri on Apr 08, 2011 05:26 AM
Justin Langer was an Australian opening batsman.......he opened test innings with Hayden......I don't think he ever bowled a single delivery in a test match.
We fans are too emotional. Just blaming Greg for everything will not suffice. He was the one who identified Dhoni as a captain material as early as 2005. His blunt style did not and will never go well with Indians and he lost out. His fault was that he was not a good man manager like Kristin. Greg is history.
He basically identified Dhoni as a captain and identified and groomed younger players like Raina, Munaf Patel, Gambhir etc. So some credit goes to Greg [read akash Chopra's blog] Denying the facts is a personal choice
He never asked any players to lose to B'desh. Why cant the batsmen score runs against B'desh?
Chappell proposed it and Kristin and Dhoni calmly executed it starting from 2008
1. Removing ganguly from one-day team happened as early as 2008 January. 2. Silently giving a honorable exit to SG in 2008. 3. Removing Dravid from one-day team in 2008.
Brining in Raina, Gambhir, Kholi and other younger players. These are all players who could score runs and save runs. Dhoni as a captain is the best thing that happened to India. Here is a man who could walk the talk unlike many past captains.
Re: Facts
by Madangopal Goud on Apr 08, 2011 03:38 AM
I agree that Greg chappel ho made Indian team away from monopoly & made competitve before that no body able to talk to senior players,definitely some credit should go to Chappel.
Re: Facts
by susanta biswas on Apr 07, 2011 11:22 PM
sir could pls answar me one humble question? why did he asked the credibility of Sachin tendulkar towards the game?
Re: Re: Facts
by Cricket on Apr 08, 2011 01:18 AM
Coaches motivate players in different ways. We never know when/why it happened. All time great players in every sport have been challenged by their coaches in different ways including questioning their commitment and attitude to make the players angry and get them to perform better. In 2006-07, SRT was not at his best. Who knows Susanta. You cant take these things personal.
Re: Facts
by pawarush@rediffmail.com on Apr 07, 2011 11:05 PM
You give too much credit to Chappell and Dhoni. Ganguly was the captain who provided Dhoni the opportunity in the playing 11, just as he did to many other youngsters. Dhoni got the captaincy by sheer luck ... right place, right time. When Dravid quit abruptly in the middle of a foreign tour, the senior players like Sehwag and Yuvraj were overlooked in favor of Dhoni. Since then, Yuvraj won us the T20 and WC 2011, becoming the man of the series in each instance. Dhoni's only contribution was promoting himself up the order in the finals over Yuvraj ! It's easy to pick a captain when the team is full of star performers like Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Yousuf, Zaheer etc. Each one of them is capable of a match winning performance, and do so consistently and more than Dhoni. Judge a captain by how well he marshalls in adversity. Dhoni's record there is to blame one and all but himself ! Dhoni will never attain the stature of a Pataudi or Kapil, Ferrari and fan mania notwithstanding.
Re: Re: Facts
by Vikram Raj on Apr 08, 2011 08:37 AM
Dhoni had a star-studded team in the T20 WC 2007, right? Ganguly had a better team at his disposal, and still could not win a WC... not even the ICC Champions' Trophy, losing to New Zealand after defeating Australia and South Africa.
Re: Facts
by pawarush@rediffmail.com on Apr 07, 2011 11:05 PM
You give too much credit to Chappell and Dhoni. Ganguly was the captain who provided Dhoni the opportunity in the playing 11, just as he did to many other youngsters. Dhoni got the captaincy by sheer luck ... right place, right time. When Dravid quit abruptly in the middle of a foreign tour, the senior players like Sehwag and Yuvraj were overlooked in favor of Dhoni. Since then, Yuvraj won us the T20 and WC 2011, becoming the man of the series in each instance. Dhoni's only contribution was promoting himself up the order in the finals over Yuvraj ! It's easy to pick a captain when the team is full of star performers like Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Yousuf, Zaheer etc. Each one of them is capable of a match winning performance, and do so consistently and more than Dhoni. Judge a captain by how well he marshalls in adversity. Dhoni's record there is to blame one and all but himself ! Dhoni will never attain the stature of a Pataudi or Kapil, Ferrari and fan mania notwithstanding.
Re: Re: Facts
by SUBROTO RAY on Apr 08, 2011 01:12 AM
I think you are in the height of confusion. Are you talking about Ganguli or Dhoni? Yes Ganguli was in the midst of adversity since poor fellow didnt know how to cope up with bouncers. So he went to ask Greg Chapell who was a great middle order batsman and faced the furious fast bowling of the west indies during his time. Chapell advised Ganguly as a true coach that playing fast bowling and bouncers requires a conditioning of the mind. Ganguli got impressed and recommended Chapell as the next Indian coach.But Chapell unfortunately came and found Ganguli's condition was beyond repairs. So he started counselling Ganguli and told him to leave cricket. He never asked Tendulkar,Dravid,Laxman or Zaheer to leave. Ganguli understood he was in trouble so he marshalled the entire Indian team against Chapell who he rightly thought was his main adversity and was out to oust him. Everyone knows what happened thereafter. Ganguli was sacked while others are all playing today in different forms of the game. The same thing continued in IPL. SRK ultimately got fed up of Ganguli drama and showed him the door. This time Kolkata Knight Riders are going to make it to the semis a feat they could not achieve for three years. Needless to mention I am a supporter of the Kolkata Night Riders. Good Luck to Kolkata Knight Riders.
Re: Re: Facts
by Cricket on Apr 08, 2011 01:11 AM
Sheer luck? BCCI is not a fool. He was identified as a leadership material and that is why he was given the captaincy. You like it or not he is the best captain in the world now as said by experts. His records are there to speak. It is waste of time to discuss further.
Re: Re: Facts
by SUBROTO RAY on Apr 08, 2011 01:13 AM
I think you are in the height of confusion. Are you talking about Ganguli or Dhoni? Yes Ganguli was in the midst of adversity since poor fellow didnt know how to cope up with bouncers. So he went to ask Greg Chapell who was a great middle order batsman and faced the furious fast bowling of the west indies during his time. Chapell advised Ganguly as a true coach that playing fast bowling and bouncers requires a conditioning of the mind. Ganguli got impressed and recommended Chapell as the next Indian coach.But Chapell unfortunately came and found Ganguli's condition was beyond repairs. So he started counselling Ganguli and told him to leave cricket. He never asked Tendulkar,Dravid,Laxman or Zaheer to leave. Ganguli understood he was in trouble so he marshalled the entire Indian team against Chapell who he rightly thought was his main adversity and was out to oust him. Everyone knows what happened thereafter. Ganguli was sacked while others are all playing today in different forms of the game. The same thing continued in IPL. SRK ultimately got fed up of Ganguli drama and showed him the door. This time Kolkata Knight Riders are going to make it to the semis a feat they could not achieve for three years. Needless to mention I am a supporter of the Kolkata Night Riders. Good Luck to Kolkata Knight Riders.
Re: Re: Re: Facts
by Cricket on Apr 08, 2011 01:22 AM
GC not only helped Ganguly in that 2003-04 series, he also helped Sachin. But recogonize the fact that GC had issues with man management.
Re: Facts
by Nikhil Shah on Apr 07, 2011 11:58 PM
The entire process was first started by Ganguly from 2000 onwards. Here are the players groomed under Ganguly,
Re: Re: Re: Facts
by Nikhil Shah on Apr 08, 2011 04:04 AM
The amount of mess Indian cricket was in was too much for any captain to take over and succeed.
1. Match-fixing episodes under Azhar which Sachin took over. 2. Never won a WC since 83 3. Doctured pitches and not winning outside India 4. Lack of fast medium bowlers 5. Poor leadership and poor records in form of the game.
When Ganguly arrived everything changed. At one time Srinath had retired and he only had Irfan as the main bowler. Nehra and Zaheer were plagued with injuries and poor form.
Re: Facts
by Vikram Raj on Apr 08, 2011 08:35 AM
It is the coach's job to adjust to the team's culture, not otherwise. That is where Kirsten succeeded, and Chappell did not. Also, the person who identified Dhoni as captain was Sachin (am not a Sachin fan, not to worry) He did not ask players to lose to B'desh directly, but he did things that messed up the team like deciding on the batting order, and team composition - that is the captain's job.
Re: Facts
by Philo on Apr 07, 2011 11:05 PM
oh. What a good piece you have written. may be you can elaborate why Auzzies are heading south faster and faster every day greg is in charge. ..LOL
Re: Re: Facts
by Cricket on Apr 08, 2011 01:05 AM
hello Philo, do you know that Aussies downfall was predicted longtime ago? You cannot stay on top for ever. What goes up will come down. It is a easy fall when you lose players like McGrath and Warne. It is not a rocket science.
Generally Children does not like to study under parents control at home...they prefer to learn more from the outsider. children will learn the lesson from the outside teachers or from a coaching classes better. same as this the Indian cricket coach will not be successful neither players will be satisfied with Indian guru. We were ruled by british and our fellow Indians were following the whites so many years during british raaj.. to change that attitude from the Indian vain is difficult...therfore indian players may mot like indian Coach like Great Kopil Dev, Vengsarker, etc.etc. so let BCCI bring some white but not from Astralia....
Re: Indian Coach
by Nikhil Shah on Apr 08, 2011 04:20 AM
Well you cannot generalize by saying Australian coaches are bad. In the case of Greg Chappell, it was just a handling of a sensitive issue and that is the removal of Ganguly based on poor performance, but not as captain.
Actully, it was the collective Indian press and the fans that put the pressure on Greg Chappell.
Anyway, why is India #1 right now?
The answer is 3 major discoveries.
1. Sample size. If you pick a player from the domestics, you want to make sure he has played enough cricket, meaning a minimum number of matches, say 50 plus to determine what level he is playing the game. The only exceptions are fast bowlers and openers.
In the case of fast bowlers, physique is important, you cannot be a good front-line bowler with an average build. Second is minumum pace. At 125kph your bouncers are not going to be effective and also subtle variations in pace.
2. The second important discovery was Ishant and Sreesanth cannot bowl in ODIs in the sub-continent. Both had ECO rates in ODIs of 5.74 and 6.1. Pace was actually a problem in the sub-continent, unless you are Brett Lee.
These 2 adjustments where Zaheer, Munaf and Nehra are picked for ODIs and Sreesanth and Ishant for Tests helped us solve our bowling resources.
Also picking better fielders like Raina, Yuvraj, Kohli and Ashwin also has kept the opposition below 300.
Re: Indian Coach
by Nikhil Shah on Apr 08, 2011 04:19 AM
Well you cannot generalize by saying Australian coaches are bad. In the case of Greg Chappell, it was just a handling of a sensitive issue and that is the removal of Ganguly based on poor performance, but not as captain.
Actully, it was the collective Indian press and the fans that put the pressure on Greg Chappell.
Anyway, why is India #1 right now?
The answer is 3 major discoveries.
1. Sample size. If you pick a player from the domestics, you want to make sure he has played enough cricket, meaning a minimum number of matches, say 50 plus to determine what level he is playing the game. The only exceptions are fast bowlers and openers.
In the case of fast bowlers, physique is important, you cannot be a good front-line bowler with an average build. Second is minumum pace. At 125kph your bouncers are not going to be effective and also subtle variations in pace.
2. The second important discovery was Ishant and Sreesanth cannot bowl in ODIs in the sub-continent. Both had ECO rates in ODIs of 5.74 and 6.1. Pace was actually a problem in the sub-continent, unless you are Brett Lee.
These 2 adjustments where Zaheer, Munaf and Nehra are picked for ODIs and Sreesanth and Ishant for Tests helped us solve our bowling resources.
Also picking better fielders like Raina, Yuvraj, Kohli and Ashwin also has kept the opposition below 300.
he is SOB appointed by corrupt BCCI to destroy Indian team....result India thrown out in first round in 2007 WC...Aussies are bullshit coaches for Indian team...
Allan border predicted Srilanka victory..
Lawson predicted paki victory.both are Aussies
No wonder Indians are killed left,right and center in Asutralia...
Throw away Aussi coaches from IPL..let them go and find jobs with pakis or SRK(paki at heart)
BCCI should not appoint any aussie coach..As they have too much negative about indian cricket.even this guy trevor is acting like greg chappell's agent.
Greg Chappell was a worst coach india ever got.No doubt some young players emerged,but he created the atmosphere of tension tension tension and nothing else and tried to get under the skin of senior players by provoking them and the worst part is showing middle finger in anger agnst kolkata people...
After all Aussie middle finger can raise any time any where no matter which aussie u r ..
