Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAMCHA:
by ACHINTA ROY on Apr 01, 2011 02:25 PM
But he is a bowler who used to give huge number of runs and would have been thrown out of the team, had it not been India. Chandra won more matches for India and Bedi merely occupied his position for long depriving players like Padmakar Shivalkar, Rajender Goel and Dilip Doshi. Kumble by all standards was a far better and successful player of all ages and by all standards. Just provoking controversy with dubious statements, does not make someone a knowledgeable person.
Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAMCHA:
by Srinivasan Renganathan on Apr 01, 2011 02:32 PM
Mr. Achinta, I did not refer to Bedi'c cricketing talent but his knowledge of the game. I am not that old to know about the like of Shivalkar or Goel but
1.Kapil Dev ruined the careers of Srinath for taking 30 tests to get 25 wickets to break hadlees record. 2. Kumble ruined the careers of Murali karthik who was a good spinner, fielder, low order batsman. 3. Rahul Dravid ruined the career of n number of no_3 ODI batsman. Last but not the least Azharudding was a non performing, match fixing agent captain from 1993 to 2000.
Hence,at least Bedi is genuine in his comments if not in his talent (according to you).
Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAM
by Zeng on Apr 01, 2011 03:26 PM
Kapil Runied Sris Career - what a Joke. Most teams had 3 good fast bowlers and India never had even 2.Why cant Srinath and Kapil play together? And why should someone like Kapil who is onee of the rare quality pace bowler we had, retire early? It is not like we had a waqar, Wasim and Imran waiting to take over!!! 2. Murali Kartik - A lazy bowler who hardly spin the ball, slow on the field and a #9 or #10 batsman. He is purely first class level and check his international stats.. How can a leg spinner destroy a left arm spinner, when India needed atleast 3 spinners while paying at home? 3. Dravid ruined a number of below first class cricketers? Lol.. even today we are struggling a replacement with 50% quality.
Dude, for a country with over billion population, we hardly had any kind of competition for a spot in team. At any point, we have 5-6 quality players and the rest are only first class level. Even today, India have only one world class bowler in Zaheer and the rest is Joke. Munaf, Nehra, Sree etc. would have never played for the country if born in any other test playing nation.
Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAM
by Zeng on Apr 01, 2011 03:26 PM
Kapil Runied Sris Career - what a Joke. Most teams had 3 good fast bowlers and India never had even 2.Why cant Srinath and Kapil play together? And why should someone like Kapil who is onee of the rare quality pace bowler we had, retire early? It is not like we had a waqar, Wasim and Imran waiting to take over!!! 2. Murali Kartik - A lazy bowler who hardly spin the ball, slow on the field and a #9 or #10 batsman. He is purely first class level and check his international stats.. How can a leg spinner destroy a left arm spinner, when India needed atleast 3 spinners while paying at home? 3. Dravid ruined a number of below first class cricketers? Lol.. even today we are struggling a replacement with 50% quality.
Dude, for a country with over billion population, we hardly had any kind of competition for a spot in team. At any point, we have 5-6 quality players and the rest are only first class level. Even today, India have only one world class bowler in Zaheer and the rest is Joke. Munaf, Nehra, Sree etc. would have never played for the country if born in any other test playing nation.
Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAM
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 02:36 PM
Mr. Srinivas, are you mentioning the above out of your conscious or just outspoking like Bedi.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A
by Srinivasan Renganathan on Apr 01, 2011 02:38 PM
Mr. Asim, Conscious of unconscious, its the fact that matter. Can you deny any of the above statements??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NO
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 02:54 PM
By citing the above example, you cannot justify yourself. Exceptions can be there. Srinath had got an ample of chance to prove his credentials. Citing an example of Kapil Dev, Kumble, and Rahul Dravid, I think you have a narrow knowledge about the cricket. How you can compare the these big giants, who have brought India to a pride.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NO
by Sameer on Apr 01, 2011 06:12 PM
Srinivasan Bonkersnathan
Srinath played from 1990 without any real break. India always needed a world class bowler, there was no chance that srinath couldn't have made into the squad. NOW GO AND bury yourself in some gutter.
You chimed about the same Kumble spoiling careers of so called great spinners " karthik, powar" before. I mean seriously, did you wake up from bed today and not have your medicines ?
Karthik doesn't even figure and never did figure among the best bowlers in domestic cricket. In India , if you are a talented bowler or batsman, there is no chance that you won't make it up there.
If you have the potential of Kumble, Kapil, Sachin , Dravid( in tests) , you will never be ignored.
Like Zeng mentioned above, at any given time we have maybe 5-7 world class players in the team.
In the period 1990- 1995 we had Kapil dev in pace bowling, Manoj prabakar and Kumble in spin. Don't you see 2 missing bowling options ? Seriously , get a life
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NO
by Srinivasan Renganathan on Apr 01, 2011 02:58 PM
MrAsin, It is a well known fact that these cricketeers gave much to the game. But, did these persons retire gracefully like an Imran Khan, Ranatungs, Gilchrist, Warne, Langer, hayden etc.. The only 2 Indians who retired gracefully (At least upto my cricket knowledge-if there's any omission then I'm sorry)till now are Gavaskar & Sreenath.
Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAMCHA:
by Ajay Patwardhan on Apr 01, 2011 02:55 PM
Very true..Padmakar Shivalkar and Dilip Doshi were great talents..Doshi came very late..and Shivalkar could never make it..It was all due to this man bedi..
Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAM
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 03:08 PM
Sreenath was only a bowler, but Kapil dev was great all rounder. Naturally. Kapil Dev will have a advantage over Srinath.
Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAM
by ACHINTA ROY on Apr 01, 2011 03:09 PM
Ajay, Bedi was a great politician. He even tried to pull the legs of the Great Sunny, but as we know, such attempt was a futile one because Sunny, as always, spoke with his bat.
Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAMCHA:
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 02:28 PM
Bedi is outspoken too much. He may be a good spinner but not good cricket analyzer. Many times his past analyzation had proved to be wrong. He is most negative person. It is good to criticize, but criticism should be based on positive criticism, but not for the sake of criticism
Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAMCHA:
by Srinivasan Renganathan on Apr 01, 2011 02:37 PM
Mr Asim, If being defensive is the problem, then MS Dhoni is the most defensive person today (ie for the past 2 years).
He sees that, he will play at No-3, if the score is 190/1. He also sees that a Raina of pathan always plays after him to take the responsibility so that his batting woes does not get exposed. So, if Dhoni is labelled as success, then Bedi's comments should also be taken similar way.
Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A CHAM
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 02:47 PM
Dear Srinivas
My comments are not based only on above article, but over all his views appearing in electronic media. Even I know Tendulkar's innings was not good as per the technique. Do you thing Tendulkar being having a lot of experience cannot judge himself. The cricket is a very funny game, and sometimes funny things occurs. I could not understand how you bring Dhoni in this discussion. Dhoni is a flexible captain, and when ever a situation demands, he acts accordingly. In other words, if the situation demands aggressiveness, he will be aggressive, and in case defensive, then he will act defensive. He does not believe in unnecessary show off. That's why he is a better captain then Bedi.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NOT A
by Srinivasan Renganathan on Apr 01, 2011 02:54 PM
Mr.Asim, India is playing the finals not because of any contribution from Dhoni. His own admission of omitting a great bowler in Ashwin atleast is a testimony to this. imagine what happened if Pkaistan was atleast talented some 10 percent more some 5 years ago in batting. They would have murdered Nehras bowling. remember Peterson of SA. Even if u argue that any way India had reached the finals due to Dhoni's captaincy what about India loosing Champions troply & other two 20-20 world cups pathetically under Dhoni's captaincy. I am not definitely not posting just for arguing. India's world cup success will be due to a better team in the past and also due to the relative lesser talent of opposition as in the past.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NO
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 03:04 PM
If a fool stands in front of a mirror, and start thing, that he has become a wise, then that fool is living in fool's paradise. May be he is not performing with his bat, but only a foolish can say Dhoni's contribution as a captain is nothing. How he changed Zaheer Khan spell, and got a wicket is an leading example. Nehra bowled magnificently in Mohali, cannot you see the same. Even his contribution of 25 runs was not so bad. Scoring a century, but India looses can be termed a better. If a zero can bring India win that zero is far better then 100. Now you have also started assuming of 5 yrs back. Those who assume, cannot do anything
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NO
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 03:04 PM
If a fool stands in front of a mirror, and start thing, that he has become a wise, then that fool is living in fool's paradise. May be he is not performing with his bat, but only a foolish can say Dhoni's contribution as a captain is nothing. How he changed Zaheer Khan spell, and got a wicket is an leading example. Nehra bowled magnificently in Mohali, cannot you see the same. Even his contribution of 25 runs was not so bad. Scoring a century, but India looses can be termed a better. If a zero can bring India win that zero is far better then 100. Now you have also started assuming of 5 yrs back. Those who assume, cannot do anything
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER &
by ACHINTA ROY on Apr 01, 2011 03:13 PM
Asim, I take the liberty to answer. Srinivasan, do u know what is the role of a cricket captain ? To score the highest number of runs in the team or to take the highest number of wickets? A captain is the main controller on the field. I admit Dhoni has to perform as well, to be in the side. But he deserves to get some more time, as he has already established himself as an excellent controller on the field.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER &
by Asim Mehtani on Apr 01, 2011 03:16 PM
Pakistan is not a great batting, but still reached semi finals. Defeated Australia. You mean to say untalented Pakistan batsmen had defeated Australians. Good going. I am not telling anything against Tendulkar, but only statistics are showing. So what I can do ? Only the good runs by such batsmen have not yielded the win, but other factors also got involved to win i.e proper execution of the strategies. And Dhoni knows his job very well.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BEDI-KNOWLEDGABLE CRICKETEER & NO
by Srinivasan Renganathan on Apr 01, 2011 03:08 PM
Mr.Asim, I was referring that Pakistan is not such a great batting side as in the past. So, do not boast of Dhoni's captaincy. Its a shame that you are referring to Tendulkar's hundred. Only a sore looser like you can post such idiotic comments. Dhoni will continue to score zeros & continue to win with the help of Tendulkar, Raina & Ashwin, so that people like u can jump.
If India get a chance of batting first, I will not like the show off contribution from Tendulkar, which may be the cause of India's defeat. Yes,the good contribution from him as well as from other players will not only lead to a good score, rather it will show, the whole team's contribution. In case India get a chance of second batting, then it will be logical, that Tendulkar must score a century, and give a magnificent start.
You can expect Tendulkar or any good batsman to score 100 for record . what was more important while playing against dark horse like pakistan to contribute to their level best which exactly the Team India did in spectacular manner. Always bedi is bad mouth expressing displeasure what he could not achived in his days .
