Test sides second innings averages of some top class batsman in tests Those who bat higher up the order upto one down or two down.
Kallis 58.37 SR 43.23 higher avarage poor strike rate. Sachin 43.98 SR 53.95 balanced Ponting 43.58 SR 57.80 balanced Dravid 43.28 SR 40.42 balanced but still low strike rate Lara 38.18 SR 54.09 Balanced with low average Sehwag 30.35 SR 78.33 poorest avarage highest strike rate.
Now those bat down the order i.e. at three down or four down.
Laxman 50.47 SR 50.93 balanced ( first innings average 45.67 ) Inzamam 46.97 SR 54.67 balanced ( first innings average 51.23 )
Batting lower chances of remaining not out are more and facing new ball and fresh Bowlers is less. But batting in deteriorated pitch are more specially in fourth innings.
Re: Re: Batting in teams second innings myth and truth
by bishadratna on Oct 11, 2010 09:19 PM
how many runs india score in 4th innings...not more than 200 i guess as d last victory of 215 was their 5th successfull run chase.. so out of 200 if sachin scores at an ave 44 z that so bad???
Re: Re: Re: Batting in teams second innings myth and truth
by cricket on Oct 11, 2010 11:47 PM
Vijay play aggressivly in t20 and play defensivly in test. In test his opening average is above 50.00. So he is best player than this pujara, rahane, robin uttapah, pande, dawan, rahane etc
where r all the sachin haters...whaere r u ., have u all crawled to hide under the bed..come out u good for nothings..u all r not even good enuf to polish sachins shoes
Re: where r u , i miss u
by Srini Krish on Oct 11, 2010 08:19 PM
cool down..yet another inning where match is going to end in draw.. Watch tomorrow. he will cross 200, he will consume 2 sessions. if he gets any where close to 300 there is no decleraation, match will continue till he reaches his landmark.. If he dosent get out early it is going to be a draw match..
Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by C M on Oct 11, 2010 09:08 PM
Yeah if Dhoni and remaining play aggresive, have a lead of 100 runs and bowlers bowl the oppsition team withing 3 or 4 sessions within 225/240 ...Indian has chance to win this test ..There are 6 sessions remaining...Try to be positive and aggresive when it comes to THINKING...Dull minds always hproduce dull thoughts...Good luck
Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by samir mitra on Oct 11, 2010 08:46 PM
srini Krish has no brains at all dude....he is happy just to see 20-20 match....maybe has never ever held a bat, but crawls out to comment against the greatest batsman ever on earth
Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by Ashish Nigam on Oct 11, 2010 08:23 PM
So what do you suggest ? Sachin should make a quickfire 30 and get out.. and Idia lose the gme.. When opponent is scored 478- you need to have some plan in place and execute it. Man whoplayed for 21 years at international level.. he knows much better how to go about it.
Re: Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by Srini Krish on Oct 11, 2010 08:29 PM
Forget this match..Go back old matches find out his match winning test innings. or crucial fourth innings.. Same check Kallis, Laxman, Dravid, Seteve Waugh, Gilly, Ponting, Lara..You know the result for urself.
Re: Re: Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by C M on Oct 11, 2010 09:10 PM
This is waht happens ..When u forget the current situation...Dont forget FOCUS is the word ..focus on this match, forget past...But yeah it depends on person to person..You sure can go back and keep reading all past matches ...if u r not biased u will find the truth..Even i.e. ponting was not succssfull in 4th innings I didnt bother to chk on all of them...Its waste of time anyways
Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by n pramod on Oct 11, 2010 11:08 PM
what u want man...you want all team members to get out for 300 to make the game interesting for you.
Re: Re: where r u , i miss u
by bishadratna on Oct 11, 2010 09:11 PM
i just want sachin 2 bat 2 more session so that india can take a lead of near about 200 and for day 5 bhajji z dere 4 aussies..
Irrespective of the result, I liked this test match and series, in general. In this test match also, Australia 285/5 (match tilted towards India 60:40) Australia 478 India 128/2 (match swayed towards Australia 60:40) Now India 435/5 (match towards India 60:40). Great and joy to watch.
Re: Result
by Another Critic on Oct 11, 2010 07:35 PM
When Australia 285/5, match did not tilt towards India becoz 285 is a decent score for loss of 5 wickets. When 128/2 match did not sway towards Australia because India still has 5 recognized batsman to come to bat.
At 435/5, you might think India has slight upper hand but you never know like in the first innings of the first test they may also get out quickly and end up trailing to Austrialia. You never know what happens next in cricket. But, I think India learnt its lesson and build up some lead against Aussies after its first innings.
Re: Re: Result
by tortoise on Oct 11, 2010 07:40 PM
On this ground, even foreign teams have come and scored 500 plus in 1st innings. So 285/5 is good outing for India. They let Australia reach near that 500 mark tilted it towards Australia. I have said 60:40 not 80:20. It is based on the ground history not just scores and wickets.
Re: Re: Re: Result
by Another Critic on Oct 11, 2010 07:49 PM
At 285/5, you are not considered to have bowled well even on a batting paradise, it is a decent score and it is a 50:50.
Remove Sachin's 139 runs from last match and think.......Who made victory for india?
At 38/2 with Sehwag, Dravid out & no Laxman or Gambhir in the team, and an Australian score of 470, (If he got out for around 48 , India would have been lost by now)
his role is critical to set up the match, but the match has to be secured first, like in soccer the defenders & mid fielders have a critical role so has Tendulkar a critical role. He is not supposed to do heroics to win the match by himself. The finishers come in at No 6-7 to try and win like the forwards. If the role is not played to perfection there will be a crisis, not that he doesn't play when there is a crisis. That's the nature of the game.
Re: Who told Sachin is not winning the matches?
by cricket on Oct 11, 2010 11:48 PM
Vijay play aggressivly in t20 and play defensivly in test. In test his opening average is above 50.00. So he is best player than this pujara, rahane, robin uttapah, pande, dawan, rahane etc
BBC and Jeff Boycott rated Sachin as the best batsman of the modern era He decided to score points to each batsman according to a ranking list in 8 areas.
1.Runs scored – The reasoning here is no matter how many innings you played, the longevity of a career is proven by your runs scored. 2.Runs per innings, not average, as averages can be blown up by big not out innings. 3.Your actual average. 4.Strike rate. 5.How many innings it takes to score fifties and hundreds. 6.Conversion rate, in other words how many fifties are turned into centuries 7.Percentage not out innings, as the batsman could be left stranded and has not played until his dismissal. 8. Home vs away average. Here are the results after adding all the points for each of the seven criteria. Tendulkar 98 points. Ponting 85 points. Sangakarra 78 points. Kallis 75 points. Sehwag 72 points. Lara 71 points. Jayawardena 64 points. Dravid 62 points. Smith 59 points. Waugh 56 points. Hayden 55 points. M Yousuf 53 points. Border 46 points. Miandad 44 points. Y Kahn 42 points
BBC and Jeff Boycott rated Sachin as the best batsman of the modern era He decided to score points to each batsman according to a ranking list in 8 areas.
1.Runs scored – The reasoning here is no matter how many innings you played, the longevity of a career is proven by your runs scored. 2.Runs per innings, not average, as averages can be blown up by big not out innings. 3.Your actual average. 4.Strike rate. 5.How many innings it takes to score fifties and hundreds. 6.Conversion rate, in other words how many fifties are turned into centuries 7.Percentage not out innings, as the batsman could be left stranded and has not played until his dismissal. 8. Home vs away average. Here are the results after adding all the points for each of the seven criteria. Tendulkar 98 points. Ponting 85 points. Sangakarra 78 points. Kallis 75 points. Sehwag 72 points. Lara 71 points. Jayawardena 64 points. Dravid 62 points. Smith 59 points. Waugh 56 points. Hayden 55 points. M Yousuf 53 points. Border 46 points. Miandad 44 points. Y Kahn 42 points
Doing well in the 1st two innings is very important. Yes, much more important than actually finishing the match on the 4th inning.
You know why ? Ofcourse you don't. You need a brain to know and understand
Your performance while batting / bowling first is what decides the way the match progresses. If you concede a big lead, pressure is on your players to do better. If you get a big lead, pressure is on the opponents to do better
Frankly in the 4th inning, the team that does well in the 1-3 inning usually ends up in the drivers seat. Your performance in the 1-3 inning is what usually dictates the outcome of the 4th inning.
Case 1 : Team India scores 400 Team X scores 260 Team India now can decide on what score they wish to set Team X
Case 2 : Team X Scores 500 Team India Score 440 Team X has to do well, since their lead is very small, and hence pressure on team india is not as high , had team india been out for 200 something.
So basically 4 inning score doesn't really matter as much as scoring in between 1-3 inning. Your performance in the 1-3rd inning basically dictates the 4th inning target.
Re: To all you 4th innings lovers
by sanjay on Oct 11, 2010 07:47 PM
Batting in teams second innings myth and truth
Test sides second innings averages of some top class batsman in tests Those who bat higher up the order upto one down or two down.
Kallis 58.37 SR 43.23 higher avarage poor strike rate. Sachin 43.98 SR 53.95 balanced Ponting 43.58 SR 57.80 balanced Dravid 43.28 SR 40.42 balanced but still low strike rate Lara 38.18 SR 54.09 Balanced with low average Sehwag 30.35 SR 78.33 poorest avarage highest strike rate.
Now those bat down the order i.e. at three down or four down.
Laxman 50.47 SR 50.93 balanced ( first innings average 45.67 ) Inzamam 46.97 SR 54.67 balanced ( first innings average 51.23 )
Batting lower chances of remaining not out are more and facing new ball and fresh Bowlers is less. But batting in deteriorated pitch are more specially in fourth innings. But how many are those?
Re: Re: To all you 4th innings lovers
by bishadratna on Oct 11, 2010 09:16 PM
well said man...i will suggest take 200 lead in d first inning...u dont need 2 bat in d second....
Re: Re: Re: To all you 4th innings lovers
by cricket on Oct 11, 2010 11:49 PM
Vijay play aggressivly in t20 and play defensivly in test. In test his opening average is above 50.00. So he is best player than this pujara, rahane, robin uttapah, pande, dawan, rahane etc
Doing well in the 1st two innings is very important. Yes, much more important than actually finishing the match on the 4th inning.
You know why ? Ofcourse you don't. You need a brain to know and understand
Your performance while batting / bowling first is what decides the way the match progresses. If you concede a big lead, pressure is on your players to do better. If you get a big lead, pressure is on the opponents to do better
Frankly in the 4th inning, the team that does well in the 1-3 inning usually ends up in the drivers seat. Your performance in the 1-3 inning is what usually dictates the outcome of the 4th inning.
Case 1 : Team India scores 400 Team X scores 260 Team India now can decide on what score they wish to set Team X
Case 2 : Team X Scores 500 Team India Score 440 Team X has to do well, since their lead is very small, and hence pressure on team india is not as high , had team india been out for 200 something.
So basically 4 inning score doesn't really matter as much as scoring in between 1-3 inning. Your performance in the 1-3rd inning basically dictates the 4th inning target.
Re: To all you 4th innings lovers
by comm_indian@rediffmail.com on Oct 11, 2010 07:19 PM
Great Going.. and also very less time the match goes to 4 th innings for close victory like 25% time.. Mostly the fourth innings required total is very huge and less time is kept to achieve it... People dnt understand and refused to accept..
Sachin - once again Proved that he is the GOD of Cricket!!!!!
Hats off to Murali Vijay for his valuable knoc....This shows how important Murali vijay's selstion is......Murali Vijay is always a good Team Player for all the three formats of the game...
Re: Well Done both murali Vijay and the Master Blaster Sachin!!!!
by zindaa hoon on Oct 11, 2010 07:08 PM
India now should work hard to find replacements for Dravid very fast.
Re: Well Done both murali Vijay and the Master Blaster Sachin!!!!
by Ramachandran KA on Oct 11, 2010 07:08 PM
This shows how important Murali vijay's selection is...... (TYPO....)
Re: Well Done both murali Vijay and the Master Blaster Sachin!!!!
by C M on Oct 11, 2010 09:16 PM
Yes Congratulations to Murali..for first ton...Having done it with SRT and that 300 runs partnership , should boost his confidence much more..So good luck for many fine innings..
Re: Re: Well Done both murali Vijay and the Master Blaster Sachin
by cricket on Oct 11, 2010 11:50 PM
Vijay play aggressivly in t20 and play defensivly in test. In test his opening average is above 50.00. So he is best player than this pujara, rahane, robin uttapah, pande, dawan, rahane etc
Re: If India play out two sessions
by zindaa hoon on Oct 11, 2010 07:05 PM
Australia has already slipped to # 4 in tests rankings. It will take a lot of time to bring their test team to glory days of Steve Waugh.
