Well for me too Sachin is the best; but you cannot take away the credits from those oldies. ONe thing one should understand that all of them were best in their generation; You are now comparing Sachin with Bradman stating all those seven points but all these was not their during bradman's time and that was not bradman's fault; He proved himself the best in his period; Those days cricket was not played with such pomp and show and definately not with all the ammunities which the present days first class players get;
So every player performance is measured with his given environment and in that Bradman performed exceptionally well and hence he became the player of century; If bradman would have averaged just around 60 then nobody would have hyped but if somebody has average of 99.4 means ability to score 100 every match is fantastic in any generation; even that doesnt happens in gully cricket;
Re: In defense of Bradman not offending Sachin
by vijay on Nov 12, 2010 02:54 PM
sachin is sachin , why compare ? but only sachin started the big debate (comparison with bradman) by his tireless performances , such is his class , go n watch news channels , cricket experts , analysts , for the deabte has just begun and accepted that indeed sachin is gr8st ever , accept this else go and hide urself in a pot called jealousy.
Re: Re: In defense of Bradman not offending Sachin
by Oye Kake on Nov 12, 2010 03:03 PM
I am not jealous; I love Sachin then anyone but I do respect someone who has done good to game; Sachin himself is so humble that Sachin lovers are bound to be like him
Re: Re: Re: In defense of Bradman not offending Sachin
by explorer on Nov 13, 2010 06:31 PM
Honestly we cant compare two greats of different era's. In Support of Bradman I will say, there were no Batsman friendly rules during those days. Bowler can bowl 6 bouncers in a over. and no relaxations on LBW's like overlooking LBW when ball pitches outside leg stump. No Helmets and armory that our players use today. No batting tracks like we have today. No concepts of dedicated coaches and lot of training.
BUT, today it is more competitive and it is difficult to stay in the team. In my old days I always see Gavaskar, Chauhan, Vengsarkar, Amarnath and Sandeep Patil playing as permenant members. I remember how Azhar struggled to get in to the team only by extra ordinary performances. I also saw great players like Sanjay Manjrekar unable to continue while some players like Ravi Sastry continued irrespective of contributions. Today performing and staying in competition is more difficult. Bradman played major part in England and Australia and there were not toomany teams and team members are quite known to face. Having said all this, I say we cant contribute.
It will be like comparing our earnings with those of our parents.
Re: Re: Re: In defense of Bradman not offending Sachin
by super hero on Nov 12, 2010 10:26 PM
So basically you are saying making 5000 runs in 50 tests is difficult than playing 180 tests @ 56 ,450 odi's @45 which requires to come to arena at 16 and play till 38??? Just listen to urself
Re: Re: Re: In defense of Bradman not offending Sachin
by Another Critic on Nov 14, 2010 04:45 AM
To add, 46 ODI centuries and 49 Test centuries, the first man to score 10000 runs in both ODIs and Tests, being the leading scorer in two World Cups and only man in the universe to score a ODI double, leading ODI and Test runs getter, the man to win most number of man of the matches and man of the series, and holding any batting record one can ever imagine.
I have seen some good posts of comparing Bradman and Sachin But I would like to say that Sachin is the best Right from his early career,many opposite team bowlers had pressure while bowling to Sachin. Remember that even succesful bowler Wasim Akram(During Sachin's debut,he was one of the highest wicket taker in ODI cricket) also was not successful in picking wicket of Sachin. Akram had wicket of Sachin only once in his ODI career and that too in year 2000 of Sharjah ODI. Hence I would like to say that Sachin undoubtedly dominated the so called high class bowlers. Sachin debuted when batsmen were struggling to face fiery pace and classy bowlers.Bowlers during his debut time were masters of out swing,inswing,reverse swing,leg cutters,off cutters and there were late swing from bowlers in England pitches plus classy leg spin of Shane Warne. But still Sachin played succesfully against such bowling varieties and made his place in Indian team Nowadays which bowler bowls such varieties?Every bowler bowls straight line wicket to wicket ball nowadays. There is no variety remained in bowling nowadays. Even today Sachin's drive in covers and his fine leg glance,straight drives cant be compared with any batsmen. Maintaining form and fitness while playing for 22 years is itself a big thing. It is a pleasure to watch the batting class of this maestro when he is in full flow. Sachin is the Best
in technique , attack , gutsy-ness , adjustability , temperament , shot selection adaptability etc we have seen better batsman.
but no one stood there so long , no one had a larger desire for centuries , no one had such patience , no one could match such self gratification and without any doubt we have only one " sachin "
indian cricket was blessed with sachin , but we also could have done without him.
but no doubt of ganguly who taught us to fight back , taught us to jump back and never give up , taught us to win abroad and well even in pakistan against pakistan. but he was thrown in the bin mercilessly against backdrop of a good comeback by another marathi (sht- vengsarkar)
Re: summary of sachins carrer
by abhishek kulkarni on Nov 12, 2010 09:20 PM
Great words Ashok! Sachin and Saurav are great stalwarts and India is really blessed to have given birth to such greatest of performers of the century!
in technique , attack , gutsy-ness , adjustability , temperament , shot selection adaptability etc we have seen better batsman.
but no one stood there so long , no one had a larger desire for centuries , no one had such patience , no one could match such self gratification and without any doubt we have only one " sachin "
indian cricket was blessed with sachin , but we also could have done without him.
but no doubt of ganguly who taught us to fight back , taught us to jump back and never give up , taught us to win abroad and well even in pakistan against pakistan. but he was thrown in the bin mercilessly against backdrop of a good comeback by another marathi (sht- vengsarkar)
with Bradman and others and try to analyse who is the best. Comparison should be done among contemporaries.Cricket in olden days was played in entirely different conditions, with different rules.
Even among the contemporaries, factors like the chances given to play (indefinite inclusions in the team), freedom to be rested whenever the player wanted, the sponsor brand support and hype and Media hype, come into play. Hence comparison is difficult and unjustified.
However Sachin is better than Sharukh. He himself never compares.
It is better to carve ones own slot and be happy with it.Everyone is unique under the given conditions.
Re: Sachin is Sachin, why compare
by raja sekar on Nov 12, 2010 06:47 AM
you are correct. in all respects Sachin is better than SRK. even when his father died next day he played world cup match,such is his patriotism. But SRK was developed by Dawood controlled Bollywood by supressing Sunil Shetty, Mithun,Akshay kanna,Vivek Oberoi, Anil Kapoor, Jackey sheroff & others.same applies to salman also.These Khans are Faces of Dawood in Bollywood. Maharashtra Police & Politicians are Impottents licking the feet of Dawood. Even SRK who supported Tainted Pak players in IPL & supported for Pak is a DESH THROGI. Only in INDIA these criminals are Demi gods.
Re: Re: Sachin is Sachin, why compare
by sanjana gupta on Nov 12, 2010 10:43 AM
from where srk id come,this is not about srk u craps its for sachin,u r typing as u like
Re: Re: Re: Sachin is Sachin, why compare
by bijay jain on Nov 12, 2010 05:28 PM
ha ha a franatic srk fan can never accept the thruth that SRK is a piece of tr
Re: Sachin is Sachin, why compare
by vijay on Nov 12, 2010 07:27 AM
sachin is sachin , why compare ? but only sachin started the big debate (comparison with bradman) by his tireless performances , such is his class , go n watch news channels , cricket experts , analysts , for the deabte has just begun and accepted that indeed sachin is gr8st ever , accept this else go and hide urself in a pot called jealousy.
A scientific analysis based on the following variables (mentioned below) have proved that Sachin is atleast 6 time better than Don Bradman, 3 times better than Gavaskar, 2 times better than Lara, Ponting and Viv Richards.
SO THERE IS NO AS SUCH COMPETITION FOR THE POST OF GREATEST PLAYER
EVER....THAT PLAYER IS SACHIN TENDULKAR.....
1. Quality of bowlers faced 2. Variety of pitches played 3. Level of pressure 4. Level of fitness required 5. Total runs scored at international Level 6. Amount of cricket played 7. on-field and off-field conduct
Re: THE ULTIMATE POST ON REDIFF TO GOD SACHIN TRIBUTE
by Oye Kake on Nov 12, 2010 02:19 PM
Well for me too Sachin is the best; but you cannot take away the credits from those oldies. ONe thing one should understand that all of them were best in their generation; You are now comparing Sachin with Bradman stating all those seven points but all these was not their during bradman's time and that was not bradman's fault; He proved himself the best in his period; Those days cricket was not played with such pomp and show and definately not with all the ammunities which the present days first class players get;
So every player performance is measured with his given environment and in that Bradman performed exceptionally well and hence he became the player of century; If bradman would have averaged just around 60 then nobody would have hyped but if somebody has average of 99.4 means ability to score 100 every match is fantastic in any generation; even that doesnt happens in gully cricket;
Re: THE ULTIMATE POST ON REDIFF TO GOD SACHIN TRIBUTE
by Sunil Vaidya on Nov 12, 2010 12:55 PM
vijay, put this useless nonsense scientific analysis where it deserves to be. in wasterpaper basket.
Re: Re: THE ULTIMATE POST ON REDIFF TO GOD SACHIN TRIBUTE
by abhishek kulkarni on Nov 12, 2010 09:22 PM
But it still doesn't take anything away from the fact that Sachin is the greatest ever buddy! I know it hurts he he..but its the truth!
Re: Re: Re: THE ULTIMATE POST ON REDIFF TO GOD SACHIN TRIBUTE
by Sunil Vaidya on Nov 13, 2010 08:29 PM
Sachin is atleast 6 time better than Don Bradman, 3 times better than Gavaskar, 2 times better than Lara, Ponting and Viv Richards.
if you want to claim the above statement is truth, abhishek you are even crazier than i had first thought.
Re: Re: Re: Re: THE ULTIMATE POST ON REDIFF TO GOD SACHIN TRIBUTE
by Another Critic on Nov 14, 2010 04:50 AM
If not 6 times, 3 times or 2 times, Sachin is defintely better than the rest be it Bradman, Lara, Punter etc.
Re: THE ULTIMATE POST ON REDIFF TO GOD SACHIN TRIBUTE
by rizwan khan on Nov 12, 2010 05:38 AM
No Dhobis, Sewais,sings of the Indian team can achieve what Sachin has achieved even if they play 5 decades.Yes sachin you are great cricketer and a great human being
There has been a lot of comparison whether Sachin is indeed the greatest ever. The following thoughts should end it:
1)During Bradman's era, there was no LBW virtualy(umpires gave less) . That means, out of 280 innings which Sachin has played, 67innings are LBW, 14 innings bowled..that means Sachin in those ocassion he can be not out.
2) Bradman much talked average of almost 100 was maintained bcoz he played only 52 test matches , had he had played more than 100 tests , as per law of averages, it wud hav come down to around 50 , so don't be fooled by avg of 100.
3) Bradman played one opponent mainly..England. Sachin against 10 countries and he has excellent records against each of them, with 50 plus avg against the best(aussies).
4) Bradman didnt travel to the subcontinent, so didnt play high class spin. In contrast tendulkar dominated warne,saqlain etc. Great player of spin,pace and swing!
5) Bradman didnt have the pressure of ODIs and 2020s.Tendulkar not only played record no of ODIs but also is the leading runs and century scorer. Mind boggling to go alongwith 15000 plus test runs
6) Bradman didnt have the pressure of 1 billion. In india, 1 billion pray that SRT scores big every time he walks out.
7) No media to rip Bradman. While aajtak,and other crappy channels blast tendulkar for any failure.
8) Tendulkar didnt have the support of a good batting order, and remember him playing with likes of somasundran,bharadwaj,noel david,ramesh,ss das and s
Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is gr8st eve
by bala kannan on Nov 12, 2010 02:03 AM
he may be the best for you , but i love to watch cricket when shewag playing.
i ask all sachin fans put hand in your heart and say, when do u watch 5day test match while shewag playing or schin playing?
real fact is we all watch cricket when shewag or yuvraj playing or staying in the field.
because they are match winners and they are not selfish and playing aggressively...
Re: Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is gr8st
by explorer on Nov 13, 2010 06:43 PM
I love to watch when some one plays authoritative and some classic strokes. I may prefer Azhar, Laxman and yes Tendulkar.
Re: Re: Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is g
by explorer on Nov 13, 2010 06:46 PM
To be more clear, I dont want to see batting of someone who looks as if gets out any time, lot of shots in the air and dropping in no man's land and many times getting beaten. Some one who plays completely clean but demonstrates class.
Re: Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is gr8st
by explorer on Nov 13, 2010 06:35 PM
Definitely but Match winner need not go after every ball. Sehwag has his style but Sachin has his own as well and Sehwag himself doesnt agree what you say.
Re: Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is gr8st
by arvin g on Nov 12, 2010 09:06 AM
majority of people except those for whom 20/20 tamasha is cricket will stop watching cricket the day sachin retire... looks like you are blind and deaf to have never seen people lined upto enter the stadium on days sachin is playing and stadium becoming mostly empty when sachin gets out... no other batsmen in the world enjoys that...
Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is gr8st eve
by vijay on Nov 12, 2010 01:51 AM
8) Tendulkar didnt have the support of a good batting order, and remember him playing with likes of somasundran,bharadwaj,noel david,ramesh,ss das and stuff. Bradman was part of invincibles, so batting was shared.
9) Finally tendulkar is a known partnership breaker..150 ODI wickets. A true genious indeed!!
10) Also playing for so many years and so many matches like Tendulkar is staggering. To survive the fitness aspect itself is awesome. Bradman had the luxury to play far fewer matches and remain fit. Tendulkar lost some avg due to fitness. Bradman didnt play 22 years non stop but tendulkar is doing just that and that too with such consistency which is remarkable.
Re: Re: Sachin vs Bradman...lets end this debate! sachin is gr8st
by mushtaq ahmed on Nov 12, 2010 04:02 AM
But Sachin has 1 advantage.... He has support of 1 billion fans and im 1 of tam and Bradman didnt had tat support...
