he is right....test cricket should not only thrive but drive the sport as a whole...above average- good - great test players will not fall short of the demands of t20 or one day matches , yes we need specialists for both but not at the expense of test players who will in the end be attributed for making the other forms interesting....so bring in really high calibre specialists like yusuf pathan and not some average joe who is 'known' to be a specialist of some format, if its not someone like him t20 and one day has nothing to add to the game really speaking..outside of that it would only be good to great test players who can give something back to cricket in effect making it richer.... But the biggest argument for test cricket in today's time should be for the art of bowling , it will dry up if its not nurtured, while t20 and one day matches can hardly match the conditions that test matches provide to bowlers to really sharpen and refine their skills
what dravid meant was that since there are other formats of cricket like T20, champions leage etc available for young players today, they might not be motivated sufficiently to do well in test cricket. whereas when he started his career, there were only 2 formats. and test cricket was the most preferred format then. it is not the same case now. Nowhere can it be concluded that he accuses rohit sharma and raina of lacking desperation for test cricket.
rediff, as usual has twisted it out of context through a combination of incompetent reporting and unaccountable editing.
Now everyone will have formed a bad opinion of rohit sharma and raina, which not only is unfair on them but also affects their career, thanks to rediff.
Re: poor reporting
by Birju on Feb 24, 2010 07:40 AM
No one will form bad opinion abt Rohit or Raina .....people will think Dravid out of ODI & T20 side wants more Test cricket just to be in public memory and earn some money!
Re: Re: poor reporting
by icc on Feb 24, 2010 07:57 AM
1. please educate me how dravid can make money by commenting on his team mates.
2. even if that way of making money is possible, why should dravid resort to it? is he some old forgotten cricketer who seizes an opportunity to be in the news?
3. there is bad opinion already being formed about raina being a poor player of the short ball. all because he didnt play one T20 match well and struggled on a bouncy pitch. and who was responsible for that? the commentators, followed by newspapers, then followed by websites like rediff.
4. the cricketing world knows dravid as a gentleman, one who is honest and fair. i wonder you can accuse him to indulge in cheap acts.
Re: Re: Re: poor reporting
by slayer slayer on Feb 24, 2010 08:11 AM
ur right about the reporting but sensationalism is not exclusive to rediff ...that's how media and journalism sells news..atleast they think so.... plus Birju is just stereotyping Dravid's image, he doesn't care or appreciate his contribution to the game or the team... and rohit sharma and raina being professionals of the highest level wouldn't be zilch perturbed about this....Raina and Sharma are just symbolic in this case, he is in general trying to figuratively explain the current day cricketer's condition or environment from any country irrespectively... hence referring to them as 'RAinas' 'Sharmas'
Currently India don't have quality batmen other than Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Sehwag who can play geniune pace and swing bowling. I don't include Gambir as he has not scored a century in Australia or South Africa. but he has the potential. India will certainly miss their services when they retire as there are no replacements for these players as of now
Like Dravid says all these Rainas, Rohit Sharmas, Yuvraj Singhs are not Test class players which can be seen from their Test averages. These players cannot play geniune fast and swing bowling well bcoz of their lack of exposure in Test cricket. They don't seem to be that keen also. But who cares?
Re: Re: Without test cricket, cricket will become like baseball
by Pathan on Feb 24, 2010 07:51 AM
Evey batsman has a bad day, Kapil Dev broke his tooth Sachin had a blow on his head when he was 16 by wasim Akram Patodi lost his eyes Ganguly hurt his hand In 16 years of cricket anyone can get injured. Still he scored 111 runs against them, not like other players he not got out.
Well id like to mention a simple observation. in the first and second matches we tried a team full of youngsters. murali vijay, badrinath, saha, not one of them was able to do what was expected of them. in fact it was the seniors who took india to victory.
Re: we did try a team full of youngsters, what did it do
by Birju on Feb 24, 2010 07:36 AM
Saha was not in the second match despite scoring that gallant 36 only in his second innings of his carrer, because he was unfortunately a non-Tamil like Vijay & Badri. And Tamils need not perform to be in the team .... it's their birth right due to Srikanth and Srinivasan! Other talented youngsters wont get chance due to South quota and oldie occupancy in the team, so how will the youngsters perform?
Re: Re: we did try a team full of youngsters, what did it do
by slayer slayer on Feb 24, 2010 08:17 AM
its just the Tamil Nadu lot but Badri definitely deserves it irrespective of the region or state he hails from...Saha was included in the team in case Dhoni would fail to keep wickets, wicketkeeping being Saha's forte , strength and hes well known to be a good keeper...Dhoni deliberately played him in the first test just as a batsman so that he can be dropped forever henceforth....great ploy by him and Shrikanth ...... @mridul as for youngsters performing you should expect them to have a threshold of international match experience before expecting them to save test matches
Re: Re: we did try a team full of youngsters, what did it do
by Pathan on Feb 24, 2010 07:54 AM
Don't include other states in South quota. Rahul Dravid, Manish Pandey, Satish, Abhimanyu Mithun have never got chance they are from Karnatka.
Tamil palyers are getting chance, no Andhra Prahesh players are getting chance.
All Tamils only, so in south quota Tamisl get chance.
Bangladesh has broken his jaw I heard ....South Africa would have broken his back bone .....so ran away! All those who told without Dravid India cant win Kolkata was the best example that dravid may retire peacefully now!
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by slayer slayer on Feb 24, 2010 08:21 AM
ur an idiot for being so blind as to not respect Dravid's craftsmanship and genuine tenacity to perform and contribute ...hes a tough nut and ur a keyboard stomping internet jabberer sitting behind your Pc all smug
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by SUMAN on Feb 24, 2010 01:18 PM
idiot birju idiot birju.you dont know about dravid.dont say any un nessesary comments on dravid be careful
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by Sandeep on Feb 24, 2010 07:55 AM
Feel sad that such idiotic people are given a chance to criticize players like Dravid....Test cricket is still the real test for any player....
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by Sandeep on Feb 24, 2010 07:55 AM
Feel sad that such idiotic people are given a chance to criticize players like Dravid....Test cricket is still the real test for any player....
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by govind kuber on Feb 24, 2010 08:46 AM
You fool what you know about Cricket and Dravid, you do not have any rights to talk against him,... go and see his contribution then u will understand..
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by SUMAN on Feb 24, 2010 01:18 PM
idiot birju idiot birju.you dont know about dravid.dont say any un nessesary comments on dravid be careful
Re: How old Dravid is talking......
by Pathan on Feb 24, 2010 07:57 AM
Without Ganguly we have won, without Tendulkar we have won, without Dravid we have won.
Think we have lost without them Laxman played 146 that is the reason we won. Not due to Tamil players and Young Saha or Badrinath !
Times have changed, Dravid hasn't. Nobody wants to waste 5 days watching a game turn into a draw by dravid. Dravid was b0rn to Draw - even first 4 letters match.
Re: Dravid was always afraid of playing 1-day or t20
by B M on Feb 24, 2010 07:14 AM
I pity your complete lack of understanding of cricket! Boy, grow up, get educated and then make comments!
Re: Dravid was always afraid of playing 1-day or t20
by mridul on Feb 24, 2010 07:27 AM
well just read a simple online biography on dravid and theyll tell you the dozens of matches hes won for india on his own. and secondly, those born to draw innings which you criticize him for definately saved india a large number of matches.
Re: Re: Dravid was always afraid of playing 1-day or t20
by Birju on Feb 24, 2010 07:29 AM
out of those draws there would have been wins if Dravid batted like Sachin or Shewag!
Dravid has brought out the reality as he is still the best amongst thye best. We have won many matches under his captaincy and also when he was a player. It was because of Dravid that Dhoni came early into the picture as captain and Sehwag should also thank Dravid as it was Dravid who took him to WC3 although both Coach and Selectors were against this selection.
Re: Best amongst the Best
by Rahuldravid Backstabber on Feb 24, 2010 06:17 AM
WELCOME BACK, VSGIRI, FOR THE SOUTHIE CAUSE. YOU SUPPORT DRAVID BECAUSE HE IS A SOUTHIE.
You know what, Draws killed Test cricket. Batsmen and Bowlers played for personal records. They play for centuries of 5 wicket or 10 wicket hauls. Just take help of statistics and find out how many tests ended up in a draw. Only, in the recent times, tests are producing results. So, it is selfishness of players is destroying the test cricket and NOT the Twenty20s or ODIs.
Re: Draws killing Test cricket
by Max Muller on Feb 24, 2010 05:46 AM
You are not trying to understand the point which Dravid tried to keep infront of people. He is saying, if someone gets money and fame in T20 or ODI, why anyone would try for Test cricket, which is long game - He is saying by T20 and other short format, it has became the show business now and quick money making business thts wht is killing test cricket
Re: Draws killing Test cricket
by Max Muller on Feb 24, 2010 05:46 AM
You are not trying to understand the point which Dravid tried to keep infront of people. He is saying, if someone gets money and fame in T20 or ODI, why anyone would try for Test cricket, which is long game - He is saying by T20 and other short format, it has became the show business now and quick money making business thts wht is killing test cricket
Re: Draws killing Test cricket
by Max Muller on Feb 24, 2010 05:51 AM
You are not trying to understand the point which Dravid tried to keep infront of people. He is saying, if someone gets money and fame in T20 or ODI, why anyone would try for Test cricket, which is long game - He is saying by T20 and other short format, it has became the show business now and quick money making business thts wht is killing test cricket
