"In a cricketing survey, it is only the Indian who vote enmasse to vote SRT as the greatest."
forget who is the greatest!!! ur argument was about "records versus winning contributions" and then u mentioned lara as the greatest!!!! and what i am asking u is precisely the same thing: what are the winning contributions of lara??? is is that tough to reply to your own paradox???!!!
if u like lara over sachin, thats ur personal choice.....but it stumps me when u say winning matches is more important than having records and then mention lara who is never known for it (except for a few odd matches)!!!!! most of 300 plus and 400 plusses were simply for records and all ended in DRAWS and record books and NOT any winning!!!!!
Re: @srikanth hegde
by Ashokkumar Gudagunti on Dec 26, 2010 09:03 AM
Kumble is the greatest Indian cricketer for he has won more matches than SRT. Lara is the greatest batsmen along side DB
Re: @srikanth hegde
by Prince Anand on Feb 10, 2011 04:33 AM
Lara has won Matches single handedly for windies just like sachin has. What makes lara special is he has been able to do that in tests just like vvs does for india. sachin is better than lara in ODI format in terms of match winning innings.
Re: @srikanth hegde - lara as a match winner????!!!!!!!
by Ashokkumar Gudagunti on Dec 26, 2010 08:59 AM
who scored in the 1996 quarter final, to get india to the semis? it was siddhu, who scored 93. not the tendulkar.
We Indians are so obsessed so much with records. No other cricketing countries in the world are so much enamored with personal records. A person is great in terms of his winnable-index and not sheer records or numbers. In terms of winnable-index, G R Vishwanath is far better than others batsmen. In my view, Kumble is the greatest Indian cricketer for he has won more matches than SRT. Lara is the greatest batsmen along side DB
Re: Winnability Index
by The Patriot on Dec 24, 2010 08:29 AM
lara has not helped windies get into the finals of even a single major ICC tournament let alone winning it!!!!!
Re: Re: Winnability Index
by srikanth hegde on Dec 24, 2010 08:43 AM
Lara's ability to score heavily against any bowling is legendary. His ability to win the match is perhaps the best in the last 15 years. Just remember his 153 NO and 213 that won back to back matches against Australia. He kept Walsh and Ambrose at the other end to score more than 75 runs to win the match single handed. Remember he scored heavily even when his team was second rated all through the years. BTW, did SRT won a world cup for India? In fact, he failed in the 2003 South Africa world cup just scoring 5 runs when McGrath took that wonderful catch.
Re: Re: Re: Winnability Index
by The Patriot on Dec 24, 2010 08:46 AM
again, you are talking one or two odd-matches where he contributed to win the match!!!! stick to ur original stance of "scoring runs is not that important compared to contributing to WINNING"!!!!! if u wanna talk about lara as a run-machine, then there is no difference between him and sachin then!!!!
in fact, sachin has contributed to more wins for india than lara!!!!! so, u r falling flat on your own face in your records versus winnings argument for deciding the greatness of a player!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Winnability Index
by srikanth hegde on Dec 24, 2010 08:51 AM
Your cricketing vision seems to be blurred and confused. In fact, it does not stretch beyond SRT and his numerical records.
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by srikanth hegde on Dec 24, 2010 08:56 AM
In a cricketing survey, it is only the Indian who vote enmasse to vote SRT as the greatest. That is what happened to the survey by Sydney Mornign Herald when more than 70% of votes polled were from India (out of 67% polled for SRT). Same thing happened in the survey to decide modern 7 wonders when Indian voted heavily for Taj Mahal.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Winnability Index
by The Patriot on Dec 24, 2010 08:52 AM
sachin helped india get to the semis of 1996 WC, won the sharjah cup by thrashing aussies back to back, helped india get to finals in 2003!!!!
lara's winnings or contributions plz when it comes to ICC tournies!!!!!
Re: Re: Winnability Index
by srikanth hegde on Dec 24, 2010 09:03 AM
Do you know that India lost heavily in the semis of 1996 world cup (120 for 9)? What happened to 2007 world cup? Where was SRT then? Do you also know that Lara's 169 NO against Australia is rated 5th best in the history of One day by ICC and Wisden? Do you know that Lara has ten such scores in the top 100 innings? Did you also know that Lara's 213 NO against Australia is rated 3rd greatest innings of all time? In fact, VVS's innings of 281 NO is the second best in the history of the game. DB's 238 NO is the greatest according to both Wisden and ICC
Re: Re: Re: Winnability Index
by The Patriot on Dec 24, 2010 09:06 AM
u r deviating from your own topic of "winning is more important than records"!!!!! i have posted a new threa above and u can reply to that....
It is unfair to compare two batsman of different era. But no doubt Sachin is greatest batsman of this era. Do not go on record or statistics. Bradman hits 18 test century on his home ground Adelaid out of 29. Remaining one against only few country and other grounds of OZ. That time no pressure, but Sachin has lot of pressure, every indian expecting hundred from his each inning. Moreover, Sachin faced or still facing a variety of good bowing attack. if Sachin could have played in australia only, he would have 75 test centuries. Sachin is better than bradsman, no doubt.
It is understandable that two players played in different eras and under different conditions (there was no helmet when Don played) and different rules (Leg before out rules changed). Even balling is different. Don hardly faced spinners and Sachin faced spacers that were less furious. Also, there were no one day or twenty twenty.
Considering these differences the comparison is still possible. Don has admirable capability to convert big starts into centuries and his team-mates have supported him. So it feels that his knocks have contributed for teams success also.
Sachin has not been so lucky. His team-mates always failed and wasted his efforts. Recent match at Centurian is a proof enough. However, he is the one who has played all three formats of the game and left is stamp firmly on each format. The consistancy he has shown separates him apart, even from Don. The adverse conditions he played is another feather in his illustrious career.
If you consider all these, excluding average, he is greatest of all.
Sachin is the best ever batsman till date in cricket history.
