think India exactly got what they deserve... lack of consistency is always problem in cricket & always remain till the players & selectors c'ldnt play for county.One or two case is exceptionally,rest cases shows they play for their own carrers not for team or country
Kapil Dev: He was the most talented and the world greatest allrounder of his era.
Sachin Tendulkar: Words are not enough to describe him. Some say he is the GOD of cricket, other say he is the best batsman ever played cricket. To me he is like Arjun of Mahabharat-best in his profession and perfect human being. Bhavan Krshan said in Bhagvad Geeta, in Pandavas, I am Arjun; so I can understand why Sachin is perceived as the GOD of cricket.
People may loosely call any of their favorite cricketers as Legends. But they are the only true legends of India.
Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by jay pillai on Nov 11, 2009 07:18 PM
Lets face the fact ...if one person who has carried Indian cricket out of the drains of match fixing times..it is Sachin and yes he is still the one people go to watch across the globe...
Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by jay pillai on Nov 11, 2009 07:11 PM
Lets be honest here ...Sachin is a True Legend and he served Indian Cricket and by that Millions who followed him .....we dont have a player like him even after him being around for 20 years....all one can say to his detractors are ....there are some people you can't touch because they are simply above your levels leave them
Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Laughing Buddha on Nov 11, 2009 06:58 PM
Only one complain against Sachin, although he is a great batsman, he is not the greatest because except one match in Sharjah against ozand two finals against oz he had never guided india to victory, whereas a Batsman like steve waugh although less talented had saved and made oz win many a matches singlehandedly
Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by LG on Nov 11, 2009 07:03 PM
Laughing Buddha,
Please do not bring invalid point. In a team sport, it is the collective efforts that win you match consistently, not the performance of an individual even if he is the greatest sportsman.
Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Against Pseudos on Nov 11, 2009 07:02 PM
Buddha
a) Steve Waugh played with both hands to the best of my knowledge
b) Steve Waugh was not an opener
Any other comments? If you still have doubt, look at Sachin's Man of Match awards. If you know, those awards are given away for the most significant contribution in the innings, rather than getting the chance to hit the winning run (i.e. "guiding the team to a win" in your dictionary) :)
Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Rahul Singh on Nov 11, 2009 07:05 PM
In ODIs, I don't think anyone will ever come close to Sachin's record, at least in the next 2 decades. I'm saying this without being biased.
Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by LG on Nov 11, 2009 07:14 PM
Rahul Singh,
It is not about records Sachin holds--naturally when you are best you would have all most of the records, but about the beauty of his batting--simply incomparable.
Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Rahul Singh on Nov 11, 2009 07:01 PM
I'd put Dravid above Tendulkar in test cricket. He saved and won us more matches than Sachin. In ODIs Sachin is better. Sachin is a slightly more gifted player than Dravid. Sachin is just a genius whereas Dravid's has been more of a determination combined with good technique and good concerntration.
Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Rahul Singh on Nov 11, 2009 07:08 PM
Laxman perhaps has played better than anyone else against Oz, but Dravid has won us many memorable matches, whether it was the first ever win in Aussie soil, or in the West Indies or in England or at home. Even in the Perth win he was the top scorer with 93. Tendulkar is the best batsman ever in ODIs because his records suggest so. He's also one of the best in test too. But Dravid has slightly done more for Team India than Sachin in test cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by sanjay on Nov 11, 2009 07:16 PM
Who plays in second innings? great Indian loose talk
Who plays in second innings? Test cricket Centuries or Double in second innings of a team and career averages in second innings of a team.
Gavaskar 11 centuries not out 4 times second innings average 51.46 Tendulkar 10 centuries not out 4 times second innings average 41.35 Lara 9 centuries not out 1 times second innings average 38.18 Kallis 8 centuries not out 6 times second innings average 43.16 Ponting 6 centuries not out 4 times second innings average 47.10 Inzmam 6 centuries not out 3 times second innings average 46.97 Viswanath 5 centuries not out 1 times second innings average 39.85 Chanderpaul 4 centuries not out 2 times second innings average 40.11 Dravid 4 centuries not out 1 times second innings average 43.89 Laxman 3 centuries not out 1 times second innings average 42.30 Sehwag 1 centuries not out 0 times second innings average 31.44 Ganguly 1 centuries not out 1 times second innings average 39.40
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by sanjay on Nov 11, 2009 07:11 PM
Indians scoring fifties while winning in Test cricket
India won 38 tests since 1996 Dravid 19 Fifties contributed to win Four Zim quality opposition 15 Laxman 15 Fifties contributed to win quality opposition 15 Sachin 15 Fifties contributed to win Two Zim quality opposition 13 Sehwag 6. Fifties contributed to win one Zim quality opposition 5 Saurav 13 Fifties contributed to win three BD one Zim quality opposition 9
Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by LG on Nov 11, 2009 07:09 PM
Rahul Singh,
Sorry to say, but I can not remember a single innings of Dravid I would like watch it again in test and ODI, but there are many innings of Sachin in ODI as well as Test I would like to watch again and again.
It is wrong to say that Sachin or Dravid won us any match individually; whenever we won, it was due to collective efforts from both batsmen and bowlers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Rahul Singh on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 PM
You're a Sachin fan. so obviously you're gonna like to watch his past innings again and again. I am not interested in watching past innings as much as you do. But I'll say again that Team India won many matches abroad simply because Dravid played well. Sachin is a more gifted player for sure, but Dravid has a superior work ethic which is why he's contributed more to India's win in test matches than the little god of cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by mangesh dicholkar on Nov 12, 2009 01:04 AM
In order to watch Dravids innings,no 1 has that patience of waiting n watching 300 or 400 balls.......watch a inning from sachin at perth in 1992 or at chennai 1999........test cricket cant get better than that...
Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by rocky on Nov 11, 2009 07:44 PM
India Vs England, 24 August 2007. Dravid scored 92 runs in 63 balls that too with no fielding restrictions. u want more i can let u know abt it.
Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by sanjay on Nov 11, 2009 07:10 PM
India’s all time top tons for winning causes in Test cricket
Sachin 13 tons contributed to win. Dravid 9 tons contributed to win. Gavaskar 6 tons contributed to win. Azharuddin 5 tons contributed to win Vengsarkar 4 tons contributed to win GR Viswanath 4 tons contributed to win Laxman 4 tons contributed to win. NS Sidhu 4 tons contributed to win. Sehwag 3 tons contributed to win Kambli 3 tons contributed to win one Eng one SLanka one Zim DN Sardesai 2 ton contributed to win Vinoo Mankad 2 ton contributed to win All Rounder Kirmani 2 ton contributed to win Pataudi 2 ton contributed to win Pankaj Roy 2 ton contributed to win Kapil Dev 1 ton contributed to win All Rounder Ravi Shastri 1 ton contributed to win All Rounder
Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by Against Pseudos on Nov 11, 2009 07:11 PM
Good Analysis, but what happened to the other tons? Didn't they help the team cause?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by sanjay on Nov 11, 2009 07:13 PM
These are either solo or sizable resistances while loosing others have not contrubeted enough so we lost. He scores when others soften balling by their pounding. Then the vulture comes to grab the kill
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by sanjay on Nov 11, 2009 07:18 PM
wanted to contribute more... nut i heard some bad news reg my friend..
Re: Re: Re: True Legends of Indian Cricket
by sanjay on Nov 11, 2009 07:12 PM
Indians solo fighters for team scoring tons while loosing in Test cricket
India lost 78 tests since 1996 Sachin 9 tons solo fights for team Aus 4 SA 2 Eng Pak NZ one each Dravid 1 tons solo fights against Zim one Laxman 2 tons solo fights against Aus two Sehwag 3 tons solo fights against Aus Pak SA one each
I think India put up a sordid show--disgracing even Sachin's 175 runs; a very serious Team Crime--because of the inability to play as a team, lack of selectors' good judgement in selection and inability of the Captain to send appropriate batsmen at the appropriate time. Only those captains succeed that have the capability to change the batting-order; others are doomed to earn defeats one after the other. There is only one reason why Yousuf Pathan, the match-winning batsman, and useful alrounder, wasn't in the Team. His batting-talent was never given a chance to thrive. His batting-talent should have been given better opportunities and positions to flourish. He has the potential to overshadow many reputed batsmen in the team--and that might be his curse. Had Yousuf Pathan been in the Team, I'm sure India would have won at least one game more through his presence in the team. Of the eleven players--Dhoni played very well twice, Yuv Raj played well once, Sachin played his port very well--but what about others? Suresh Raina, set in once, but left the team in the lurch--he didn't like to play his part of just giving Sachin the opportunity to score, and concentrating merely on taking singles only himself. A game that was certain to be won, was lost due to his behavior. Sachin was alert, he was looking for the first double-hundred--but Raina spoilt the show by his ill-omened six and four in an Over, 200 runs for Sachin became an impossibility. Alertness of mind was gone.
Re: Causes of Indian Defeats
by jay pillai on Nov 11, 2009 07:01 PM
I believe Sachin was not looking at 200 ....thats a lot of sarcasm...lets atleast once accept that he played for the team
Re: Causes of Indian Defeats
by Ashish Kumar on Nov 11, 2009 07:03 PM
Jadeja was the real culprit of the 5th ODI. In order steal the lime light he scored a few boundaries, thereby not leaving enough runs for Sachin to get ODI’s first double hundred, which he was almost certain to score. We all know, nothing motivates Sachin more than opportunity to set new records. Robbed of this opportunity, Sachin played like a lost ship and got out to an uncharacteristic shot. Later, Jadeja also failed to deliver. It would have been proper for all the playersof the Indian team to give Sachin full opportunity to score a double hundred which would have become an unbeatable record and would have also ensured team’s victory.
Re: Re: Causes of Indian Defeats
by jay pillai on Nov 11, 2009 07:08 PM
The shot sachin played was is a jinxed one ....That was the similiar shot which cost the 20 -20 world cup for Pakistan. What one could guess was that Sachin scored some runs effectively using the same shot but then bowler out thought him on that ocasion
I think India put up a sordid show--disgracing even Sachin's 175 runs; a very serious Team Crime--because of the inability to play as a team, lack of selectors' good judgement in selection and inability of the Captain to send appropriate batsmen at the appropriate time. Only those captains succeed that have the capability to change the batting-order; others are doomed to earn defeats one after the other. There is only one reason why Yousuf Pathan, the match-winning batsman, and useful alrounder, wasn't in the Team. His batting-talent was never given a chance to thrive. His batting-talent should have been given better opportunities and positions to flourish. He has the potential to overshadow many reputed batsmen in the team--and that might be his curse. Had Yousuf Pathan been in the Team, I'm sure India would have won at least one game more through his presence in the team. Of the eleven players--Dhoni played very well twice, Yuv Raj played well once, Sachin played his port very well--but what about others? Suresh Raina, set in once, but left the team in the lurch--he didn't like to play his part of just giving Sachin the opportunity to score, and concentrating merely on taking singles only himself. A game that was certain to be won, was lost due to his behavior. Sachin was alert, he was looking for the first double-hundred--but Raina spoilt the show by his ill-omened six and four in an Over, 200 runs for Sachin became an impossibility. Alertness of mind was gone.
Re: Re: Rain
by Abhi on Nov 11, 2009 06:40 PM
marathis not allowed to write anything instead of marathi using the name raj thackeray and writing in english?
Re: Re: Re: Rain
by Raj Thakare on Nov 11, 2009 06:53 PM
Please comment only for cricket..For abusing Raj thakare other forums are there..please join them..
