I am really sad to read that the writer has used the occassion of exit of one of Indian crickets best players to spew venom at everyone seen to be against ganguly. It seems that the writer has completely forgotten that we live in a flawed world and that some sacrifices have to be made to achieved desired results. I am not a great fan of ganguly but I have to accept that he took Indian cricket to great new levels. But, the truth also is that Ganguly achieved some of his greatest success because of off the field factors that none of his other mates had. Ganguly currently stands at the helm of being the best captain India ever had. But, let us not forget that Ganguly achieved all that he did because he had a godfather who controlled Indian cricket. Before Ganguly, Sachin and Azar were probably better srategists than he was but they never had the luxury of getting the players they wanted. Selection committee meetings were regional politics potpans with everyman trying to take a piece of his own. Ganguly on the strength of Dalmiya's backing was able to prevail over all selectors and get the players he wanted. The writer tries to point out the injustice done to Ganguly by the coaches, captains and selectors conviniently forgetting that ganguly did push out kumble and laxman from the odi team. Its not vendetta that talks here guys it results. Ganguly's biggest strength has been his courage and attitude but that attitude slacked after the world cup finals. (to be continued)
Re: A sad article
by rajanikanth nayak on Oct 11, 2008 09:25 AM
It took a drastic action of dropping for him to get the juices back. The writer here talks here about chappel opposing ganguly. Here again he has forgotten that under the Chappel-Dravid regime we had a string of impressive before the west indies tour. The debacle that followed saw a political pressurised vengsarkar bringing ganguly back when what was really required was to give chappel some more leeway. The fact also remains that most of the points that chappel made regarding the team and players were subsequently proved to be true. What chappel did fail in was the management of Indians. Let me be clear here I am no Chappel lover but the fact remains that we had some good victories under his rule. The World cup debacle might have been avoided if some Indian manager had been appointed to oversee chappel and manage the Indian team. Let me reiterate the point I was trying to make. Everything is done to ensure a winning team. To get a winning team, it was necessary for ganguly to dump laxman and kumble and to get a winning team it was necessary for dravid/Chappel/Dhoni/More to dump Ganguly. Many people will ask the question as to why ganguly is being the worst treatment of the four. The reason is simple, Ganguly as a player bring the least to the table. Sachin for all his loss of form is still the most intimidating player for opposition. Plus he is close to a record.
Re: Re: A sad article
by rajanikanth nayak on Oct 11, 2008 09:35 AM
Sachin is seen to suffer in batting when close to milestones. I hope that once he gets the record he plays more freely. Dravid for all his runs is also on of the greatest slip fielders ever, ditto for laxman. Ganguly on the other hand is at best an ok fielder whose presence on the field post-captaincy doesnt inspire confidence. The pressure was definitely on Ganguly to quit and I think that he has chosen the most honorable way of doing it. Some people will say that ganguly knows best when he says that he has two more years left, well there is always Ranji cricket where Bengal post ICL will need him badly. Before, closing off I would like to make a point with the writer on Dhoni. The writer says that dhoni never played a great test innings. Obviously the writer belives that only centuries count for great test innings, because I clearly remember dhoni playing a pressure cooker 70 in england to save defeat at lords and if that is not enough I would definitely point out that Dhoni is probably the best wicketkeeper among the current lot and also probably the best batsman keeper we had since probably Bhodi Kumaran. Of all the players in the current team Sehwag is yet to regain his batting in ODi and Yuvi needs a permanent Test spot so news flash we are stuck with dhoni now and he leads the team to victory and defeat so get over it. He has a say in the kind of players he wants and the oldies will stay far away. Stop throwing stones at people whose opinion differs from you.
Re: A sad article
by Sriram Govindarajan on Oct 11, 2008 11:15 AM
Mr Nayak...you said that sachin is did not have the proper team...dude so did Ganguly,thats where a captain has to step in and spot some good talents and be brave to drop the seniors.Sachin failed on that and ganguly succeeded on that...Do not give some rubbish reasons....
I dont understad Ganguly answered with bat ,he was a failure in most of the matches after he lost his captaincy.He was a utter flop in Sri lanka.There should be no personal sentiments in the game of Cricket , if one performs , he can stay upto 40 , or more , if u dont perform it means ur age is taking toll and give way to thousands of others who are on the q.Who are the wolves?You bengalis canntot provide any other top player other than Ganguly ????Wh y are you making him a hero and fighting for his inclusion? when Ganguly is selected there is enjoyment on the streets, when he is excluded , there are riots.Cant u see the reason for his inclusion or exclusion?No state has such stupid sentiments.
Re: most stupid post
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:27 AM
there were never any riots in bengal due to his exclusion. pls chk ur facts bfr u shoot off ur mouth. ur point regarding no other bengali player coming up is absolutely correct though. it is a shame that bengal has not had a permanent member in the indian team apart from ganguly. that is the real cause for concern. not his inclusion or exclusion in the indian team. maybe, ganguly should have been like the other captains. he should have been regionally biased and included players from his own state instead of thinking for the betterment of cricket. i mean, look at the situation...badrinath, after scoring a highest of 30 odd in international arena, gets selected for the team, where rohit sharma and virat kohli, after scoring prolifically during their match against australia, get dropped. why does badri get in? because he's from the state of the chief selector. after all, we are a country run purely on qoutas, so why make an exception in cricket. talent and ability is irrelevant in south now. everyone who is anyone will get a chance and the real talent from north will get neglected. this is a sentimental write-up, but the heart is placed correctly. is your heart in place?
Re: most stupid post
by sunder on Oct 11, 2008 09:14 AM
Had he been true warrier , he should have made batting talk in this series .He was afraid he will be a failure in this series , so he retired.Vengsarkar is any way gone.Why should he be afraid ?HE should have shown his critics his game before he anounces .HeWAS afraid he will be annother failure.Such weakhearts can we encourage
Re: Re: most stupid post
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:35 AM
sunder bhai, itni nafrat acchi nahi hai. thoda kam karo. aapko tension kis baat ka hai? dravid ko abhi nehi nikalenge. srikkanth hai na...
Re: Re: most stupid post
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:31 AM
why bengalis? the author of this article is not a bengali. why do ppl like you always have to make everything regionally biased? it is your ilk which is abetting the spread of communal forces and dividing the country on regional and religious lines. shameful creature!
Re: Re: most stupid post
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:28 AM
there were never any riots in bengal due to his exclusion. pls chk ur facts bfr u shoot off ur mouth. ur point regarding no other bengali player coming up is absolutely correct though. it is a shame that bengal has not had a permanent member in the indian team apart from ganguly. that is the real cause for concern. not his inclusion or exclusion in the indian team. maybe, ganguly should have been like the other captains. he should have been regionally biased and included players from his own state instead of thinking for the betterment of cricket. i mean, look at the situation...badrinath, after scoring a highest of 30 odd in international arena, gets selected for the team, where rohit sharma and virat kohli, after scoring prolifically during their match against australia, get dropped. why does badri get in? because he's from the state of the chief selector. after all, we are a country run purely on qoutas, so why make an exception in cricket. talent and ability is irrelevant in south now. everyone who is anyone will get a chance and the real talent from north will get neglected. this is a sentimental write-up, but the heart is placed correctly. is your heart in place?
Re: most stupid post
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:29 AM
btw, ganguly scored more than 1100 runs during last year after his comeback. the highest for any indian cricketer last season and the fourth highest in the world. you really need to check your facts before you open your mouth...
Re: most stupid post
by sunder on Oct 11, 2008 11:56 AM
I AM VERY POOR IN AVERAGES .HE MIGHT BE FOURTH OR FIFTH .BUT HAD HE BEEN A TRUE LION , WHY HE REFUSED TO GO OPENING AGAINST PAKIS AFTER HIS COMEBACK.HE SHOULD HAVE MADE HIS BAT TALK BEFORE ANNOUNCE RETIREMENT.Y?VENGY IS NO MORE AS SELECTOR .HE WAS SELECTED FOR AUSSIE.Y HE RETIRED?JUST BCOS HE WAS NOT SELECTECD FOR IRANI?PROVE WITH BAT ,AND SILENCE CRITICS?I KNOW SRI LANKA SERIES IS NOT A WAY TO JUDGE BUT Y UR RUNNING AWAY FROM THE BATTLE WHEN U HAVE SERES IN HAND AND U HAVE BEEN SELECTED.ANSWER THIS ?AND vENGY IS NO MORE.IF U WERE A BENGAL LION, U SHOULD PROVE WITH BAT NOT RUN AWAY LIKE A COWARD BEFORE THE MATCH STARTS.
Wolves always bite when you are hurt, Dada has stood Tall in his Game, by his word and action - I wonder if the others have had the same level of commitment and Love for the Game as Dada has shown. He is has done the right thing by holding his head high and leaving on his own term. Good Luck Dada, work on West Bengal Cricket as you have for Indian Cricket.
There is 1 man who taught us: Why follow when you can lead?.. the leader,the royal bengal tiger can never be hunted by mere wolves.. Dada will roar and the wolves will shit bricks real soon.. wish sourav the best..
People say him prince of kolkatta they are wrong, he is King of Cricket...More and vengaskar are the losers,who did nothing when they were in team..they are liability of team and still a liability to cricket and board.There are other players like Tendulkar,Dravid,many more but always the axe falls on Ganguly..But on thing a group of dogs can kill a LION but can't Beat him..coz in jungle LION is King...and this what we are watching is jungle raaj in indian cricket...Ganguly is the biggest asset of Indian Cricket and More and Veng..are biggest liabilities of Indian cricket...East or West He's The Best...
Re: Ganguly Is LION and More & Vengarskar are Stray Dogs....
by Sandeep Naik on Oct 11, 2008 09:13 AM
If Ganguly is the King of Cricket Tendulkar is Emperor of Cricket.. and Dravid is Lord of Cricket....
Re: Ganguly Is LION and More & Vengarskar are Stray Dogs....
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:36 AM
while i agree with the tendulkar remark, i must admit that dravid, a good batsman no doubt, is nowhere near being a lord of cricket!
THis is one of the best article I read after a long time. You dont need hesitate in calling spade a spade. And it is indeed fact that vengi, dhoni and media were after Ganguly.... they couldn't ouster him before as he was performing consistently. Just one series... Sri Lanka and they fked him. Dravid, Dhoni.... total failure in test cricket since last 1 - 1.5 year.... still they are there. Dravid does make sense.... he great cricketer. Dhoni.... he is nothing..... just a small drop of water in comparison to Saurav, Sachin and Dravid. India will realise soon that whether this dhobi good for nothing is all after money or these greats. Ganguly is great. And I am not a bengaly.
Re: One of the best article after long time
by kunal sawant on Oct 11, 2008 10:24 AM
sure winning the t20 world cup was nothing.?beating australia in australia was nothing?beating srilanka in srilanka after losing the test series was nothing?ganguly is history lets not hate the remaining mangoes in the basket if one mango has over ripened.dhoni is ur present captain get behind him ganguly is past.indian cricket moves forward wid or widout him.and im not frm jharkand cheers
If so many of the cricketers didn't want him in the team, there must be something wrong with him. Scoring runs is not the only criterion. In a team, you have to be a team man, not a behind-the-back schemer who cost Laxman, Kumble, etc their careers.
Re: Good riddance
by rahul on Oct 11, 2008 05:54 AM
oh really? , this guy is the best captain we ever had..because of him zaheer khan owe their cricket careers to him ,he didnt promise and delivered silently, the great sachin tendulkar failed and got 4 runs in a crucial world cup final where even sehwag shone through, u may argue that sachin got india to the finals but the fact is players of his caliber could finish the job and even 38 year old players of lesser class like mike hussey do a better job when it matters,dada was a great cricketer and he went out swinging , nothing wrong with that , i respect him even more now
Re: Good riddance
by Sandeep Naik on Oct 11, 2008 09:18 AM
What great dada did in the world cup.. Scored three centuries one against Nambia and two against Kenya....and whatelse did he do... Motivated players like Dravid, Sachin, Shewag and Veeru .....LOL .....
Re: Re: Good riddance
by sumit mukherjee on Oct 11, 2008 11:41 AM
how many captains have been able to motivate sachin, dravid, kumble? azhar had all 3 of them and did zilch! ganguly turned this bunch of individuals into a cohesive fighting unit! a team which met glare with glare, sledging with counter-sledging, and eye for an eye! what we see of team india today, is the result of the hard work put in by john wright and sourav ganguly. but, what's the point in telling you all this? you're an imbecile anyway.
Re: Re: Re: Good riddance
by Sriram Govindarajan on Oct 11, 2008 11:20 AM
ok tell me something,if the gr8s like dravid and sachin cudnt hit centuries against the so called minnows at the right time,how cud u even call them gr8....
Re: Good riddance
by TanPanLan on Oct 11, 2008 06:47 AM
I am with You Rahul. Dada was great - I still see or remember his maTCH WINNING PASSION waving his shirt in UK after that great victory. Dravid with his Southie curd rice agressiveness born loser was and Dad has that of Bengal Tiger aggressiveness. I will always miss Dada's soaring sixes on his front foot well out of the crease to long on. MR Vengsarkar says he will talk after Ozee series & dad will get more than he asked for. Come on shut up yaar. You were a lousy Selection Committee Chairman & worst you were never half as good as Dada. Mores Dhhonis, Chappels all back stabbers Go to hell.
Re: Re: Good riddance
by Sandeep Naik on Oct 11, 2008 09:20 AM
ganguly was nothing but fish curry rice with sugar born loser who didn't nothing much for India Cricket compared to what Kumble, Sachin and Dravid did....
Re: Good riddance
by Sriram Govindarajan on Oct 11, 2008 11:19 AM
yeah if dravid or sachin were leading the team we would be still having players like chauhan,raju,kanitkar,kambli etc.....
Well no doubt that ganguly is one of the india's best. This doesnt mean that everyone in india likes him. People got different tastes and they have different choices and so different favourite players. Pl guys, dont fight over some silly issues like this. He did a great job and one has to go and he is going. Its not our job to know whats the hell is going on there between him and other people nor we get anything of it. Yeah, i like to ask u guys to have a mind at Y SO MANY PEOPLE ARE AGAINST TO HIM, y not to sachin or dravid or kumble. Y HIM ONLY?? There is a saying in india, Jaise Karni, waise hi barni. SO leave thse issues to them to resolve..
IS IT IS OUR BLOOD, NOT TO GO GRACEFULLY?? it must be, it is always indians / asians who refuse retire with grace when their fame is high. why cant we learn good from the western sportsmen/womewn??
Was Rediff paid to have this kind of rubbish published? or its someone in the development team, who self created a web page, and then self wrote it as well.
I think small towns with those tabloid type newspapers have better articles than this one.
Re: Was rediff paid to have this article put up
by Jose Ancil on Oct 12, 2008 06:38 PM
Who the hell are u to ask such a question. What sense do u have to rate this article.If u rating is c for this then my rating for u is x.
Re: Was rediff paid to have this article put up
by Philo on Oct 11, 2008 03:16 AM
Advise...Move on. Don't click and then write your third rated comments here..you cabeza de huevo
Re: Was rediff paid to have this article put up
by Nilesh Rathi on Oct 11, 2008 04:22 AM
why... whats wrong in the article... its 100% correct. And mind you... I am not a bengaly. I just love cricket and am fan of Saurav, Sachin and Sehwag. And above... there is nothing wrong in calling spade a spade. Those people were wrong..... so whats the point in ridiculing the article.
