RE:RE:dhoni
by True Blue on Mar 08, 2008 12:14 AM
Agree with you. Let's wait for a few more series to see if India keeps winning more consistently before making a judgement on good or bad. So far, things look good. Can't predict how it will be in future
Friends remember the presentation ... dhoni was justufying his team mates he was almost ignoring seniors contribution... he has every right to back his young team mates but at the same time he would be a hollow block if tries to oversmart seniors.. dhoni ur attitude on the cricket field is fine but also maintain the same off the field on seniors who had done lot... u r bachha still compared to the oldies contribution,
RE:dhonis juniors
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 07:40 PM
What contribution? String of defeats followed by more defeats. Finally unthinkable humiliation in WC 2007. Dhoni may become victim of conspiracies by some powerful lobby and may lose his job but that does not matter.
One crowded hour of glorious life is worth an age without a name.
RE:dhonis juniors
by True Blue on Mar 08, 2008 12:18 AM
People try to find faults even in winning situations. Nobody in Australia pilloried Mark Taylor like this when they beat the mighty West Indies on their own soil in 1995. Why run down Dhoni needlessly? In his own words, he had great respect for seniors like Kumble and Tendulkar. Remember his comment of not even having played 16000 balls in his career as opposed to the 16000 runs made by Sachin. If that is not respect and humility, then what is it ?
RE:morons who criticize me over cocktail
by mmspm on Mar 07, 2008 05:04 PM
he played real captain's knocks and responsible innings. He didnt get many chances to play for himself and for his own scores. Top & middle order didnt let that happen too often.
All the time he behaved very responsibly. He is just 26 years old, look at his attitude.
i challenge any captain in the world, beat Dhoni in his manners, attitude, his game plan skills, his responsibility handling skills, his pressure handling skills etc.
PS: I am not from Jharkhand or Bihar. I am not over hyping Dhoni, I am just acknowledging him for the pride he brought to India.
RE:morons who criticize me over cocktail
by True Blue on Mar 08, 2008 12:25 AM
Excuse me, what's the joke here? Dhoni leads us to a series win and he gets criticized. It's hard being Indian captain, because there are a million armchair captains out there trying to second guess you, even though you're the man in the middle who has the best idea of the situation. This happened to Sourav Ganguly too in the last phase of his captaincy. Let the captain do his job and avoid reacting extremely to wins and losses
RE:morons who criticize me over cocktail
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 05:04 PM
mr....iam a player for ur kind information... if u want to discuss on cricketing knowledge iam ready... do u really think dhoni plays cricket
RE:morons who criticize me over cocktail
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 05:11 PM
Thanks for ur suggestion... and also letting me understand abt the value of time..
Infact i have a strong opinion that dhonis contribution was not remarkable as media hypes.. he is fortunate lad to have the series win with contributions from sachin, gambhir and ishant.. i dont deny him ttally but the hype he is getting is not at all proportinal...
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 07:27 PM
I think India is fortunate to get winner like Dhoni. Indian fans are so used to losing that they become uncomfortable the moment the team starts winning. They are anxious to go back to their losing ways. Ganguly was a winner. Conspiracies were hatched to get rid of him. Now we hv Dhoni. We r yet to find out some formula to neutralise him. Unfortunately he is a much stronger contender, having won the T20 and now the tri series. U wd notice that even noted game wrickers hv come on line on his firing.
RE:RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 07:48 PM
Dhoni is fortunate to be in captain's seat!!! It is all but the sensible and consitent batting from sachin and gambhir and fierce balling from ishant, that has bought the CW trophy to india. Had dhoni being a good captain, he would have reformed players like yuvraj, uttappa shreesanth and rohit and they would have played consitently!!! If he is so transparent, then why did he played yuvraj and uttappa, inspite of consitent failure??? what was their contribution towards india's victory? Only good thing he did was that he rotated bowlers very well and that is commendable, but having said that, it doesnot mean that the only quality that a good leader should have!! In many occasions we gave away easy singles and single in double, which could be avoided, what on-field effort did he took to improvise it?
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 10:46 PM
I have a very brief reply for u. Dhoni has shown the Technique of Managing his Men and get the best out of them. And for this quality alone India is fortunate to have him as captain. Dont u wonder at his decision to give the new ball to the inexperienced Praveen Kumar in both the finals and getting the right results? And the decision of giving the last over to Irfan Pathan who was obviosly out of touch? And giving the last over to Joginder Sharma in preference to the highly experienced Harbhajan in the T20 IndoPak match. If u ponder over it u will see the genius and will feel happy over this find.
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by HARD HITTER on Mar 08, 2008 03:50 PM
I said that he made remarkable balling changes, just look at my post above. Regarding giving ball to joginder, as I said earlier dhoni is abig time gambler and he was lucky that his gamble paid off. Joginder sharma, where is he now, why has he not being selected to play, if he is such a wonderful bolwer??? You can say only on ething about dhoni, that he has managed teams balling well and that all, he has done nothing towards motivating batters and managing fielding. This CW victory is largely due to sachin, gambhir and ishant.
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 04:51 PM
Correct, Dhoni has been quite fortunate all the time. He is a big time gambler, who luckily succed most of the time. Majorly becos of timely consistency from sachin, ishant and gambhir
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:02 PM
For your kind info, he has made 347 runs and 21 dismissals. He is the third highest run scorer, just 50 runs or so less than sachin's runs in the series.
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 05:08 PM
he scored all the runs ina pathetic manner where we had no hopes of winnig at all... just check out once again those matches.. it was really irritating to watch him playing without aggression... correct me straightaway if u feel iam wrong..
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:26 PM
Even i would love to see him hitting those sixes and fours but his responsibilities has changed. Every cricket expert is praising him for batting sensibily and not throwing his wickets like others were doing. I guess captain of indian cricket team will always be up for criticism from indian fans. If the team wins he will be criticised for his performance if he is not doing well or if team doesnt perform then God bless the captain.... :))
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 05:33 PM
By not throwing his wicket what did he do at the end of the match... absolutely nothing... and u see he has solid technic of not gettting out... thats all, when he tried to cutloose he is gone...my concern is that, he himself is going in to shell where he would find it difficult to come out even if he wants to..
RE:RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 07:35 PM
How sensibly did Dhoni batted? was he able to pirce the OZ fielding? look at his runrate, only in couple of matches the mamaged to score at strike rate of 80% and in rest of his innings he had a strike rate of 50%. The number at which he comes to bat demands a health strike rate, but that doesnot mean hitting each and every ball that he faces, but he should atleast be able to rotate the strike. Keep wicket intact is not called BATTING SENSIBLY, even dravid, ganguly and laxman can do that!!!
RE:RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:15 PM
most of the times when he came the top order had crumbled. If he had continued his aggressive game then also u ppl would ve criticised him for not taking up responsibility as a captain. We Indian just dont know how to appreciate our players. No wonder we dont have many sprots heroes!!
RE:RE:RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 05:20 PM
Would u still support dhonis batting displays in the series if we had not won the finals... my point is i agree he is so far succeful captain but what about his individual performance..
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 05:07 PM
now that you ahve checked his CW series record, please go further and check match-by match analysis and then tell me in how many matches he has led from front!!! Only once he made 88 in 95 balls and 50 in 68 balls(this match we lost). So where is his contribution as a btasman in winning thes series. with this strike rate, I will opt for dravid or ganguly, as they also have capability to make 347 odd runs in a series!!!
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:12 PM
so why didnt sachin made runs like 500 or 1000s in the series, he was opening in every match rgt?? dhoni played only 9 innnings out of the 10 matches. Also we won the match against srilanka where he made 50 of 68 balls. Strike rate is not everything!! Lot depends on the situation also.
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 07:30 PM
You are right, lot depends on situation also. So when sachin opens the innings, he is also under presure, becos he knows that following him are abunch of inconsistent players, still in this entire series he maintained a health runrate. excluding couple of games he has manage to score in 30's, which dhoni has also done, but the difference is the way sachin has batted and tried to dominate the bowlers and reduce the pressure for other batter. In the entire series, dhoni was not able to find gaps to score(which is difficult for him due to his unorthodox batting style). In 2nd final he waste hell lot of balls in last 10 overs, when we required to score at brisk rate and players like pravin kumar, scored briskly, which made a score of 258 possible and the same brisk score proved to be the difference between victory and defeat!!!
RE:dhoni is fortunate!!!!
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 05:16 PM
earlier when dhoni plays i have lots of hope in india winning the matches irrespective of batting first or chase... the aggression spoke his class but recent batting displays was really irritating except the match he worked with rohit
Many fans tend to think and profess that team won because of particular player. They do not understand that each player has a role in a team game. Some succeed in discharging their role while some may fail and others may have to make up for that. When u hold a handle bar of a bike, each finger plays a role and each role is important. Captain has to co-ordinate and therein lies his success. But the Indian fan has an attitude that is summarized by: Mile na phool toh kanton se dosti kar li%u2026.. Khda talash liya aur BANDAGI kar li.
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 03:54 PM
Well said Mr.Ashish Kumar. Very well indeed.
Unfortunately the average Indian Cricket fan cannot understand this fact. Some of them still go by the fact that ONLY X or Y or Z can make the entire team win.
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by Suman Bhat on Mar 07, 2008 04:22 PM
IF dhoni and 10dlkar,yuvraj and bajji are applied for same rule of five bad innings they would have sacked from the odi team. dravid batted in five diff positions before he was sacked and ganguly had shown the door after five bad innings. It was dravid who suggested dhoni's name for captaincy and supported him. But dhoni's loyalty is with strong mumbai lobby tll then he will be enjoying captaicny.
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 04:32 PM
I will cite the same lines for u - Mile na phool to kanton se dosti kar ............. ............. Khuda talash liya aur bandagi kar le. U hv made Dravid yr KHUDA though he is only a player. In a team game there can be no KHUDA. U may think yr index figer is the most important finger but u will know the value of the little finger if only u happen to injure it. Players are required to be dropped if they consistently fail to discharge the responsibility assigned to them. Some may b shocked but I am of considered view that failure against Sri Lanka would hv resulted in dropping of Sachin from the finals. Dhoni is a BINDAS fellow as indeed a captain shd b.
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 04:36 PM
If sachin would ahve being dropped after SL match then India would still have played 2 finals, but the result would have gone in favour of OZ. Just remove sachin's contribution from 2 finals and imagine india's score???
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 08:05 PM
Now I cannot change your opinion!!! You are saying it so confidently as if gambhir has personnaly told you that he sacrificed his wicket, whereas I and all the other people including those who were commenting on that match did feel that it was entirely ghambir's fault. regarding sachin, he know what is his role in indian team and he is doing complete justice from last so many years and beocs of that he has so many records behind him!!! In both finals you are saying everyone performed ?? excluding bowlers, sachin and to some extend dhoni, which batsman performed and justified his place in the team?
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 04:57 PM
Yopur message seems to be in defence of your earlier messages. But what ever you have mentioned is very hard to digest. Gambhir sacrificed his wicket? it was gambhir's fault not to run for an easy second run. What plan you are talking about? do our other batsmen(excluding gambhir) have played according to the so-called plan? what happen to uttapa anad yuvraj. Uttapa was planned to open, what did he do? and what did yuvraj do at number 3? I am not making sachin or anyone else my KHUDA, but the fact is fact and we have largely won finlas becos of his mastered innings and not becos of your khuda's(dhoni's) so-called gambled game plan.
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 04:50 PM
Please do not make Sachin yr KHUDA. Sachin did what he was required to do. If he had not been in the team, some one else who wd hv played in his place wd hv done that job. Do not forget that as per game plan and to meet the need of the team Gambhir had sacrificed his wicket in first final only to save Sachin. In both the finals the strategy was that the most experienced batsman will carry on and the rest will throw their about. Hence the big hittings by Gambhir and Yuvraj. If Sachin had not been there perhaps Dravid or Saurav wd hv been there as senior to do the same job.
RE:Please take a balanced view Part II
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 05:24 PM
Dear Mr. Hitter, I too am a fan of sachin like millions of Indians. There is no denying his greatness. There have not been too many like him in cricket's history but all said and done every player including Sachin has to be assigned a role and he has to perform it. Gambhir did indeed sacrifice his wicket. There can be no doubt in it. In fact Sachins role was pivotal and the team could afford to lose Gambhir but not Sachin. I think in the both the finals all the players performed their respective roles to near perfection. That is why Indian team won.
Cricket is a team game and success/failure of an individual shd b measured by his ability to contribute to the teams goal and game plan, not by the 50s and 100s that he scores. The objective of every team is to win. There was a point of time when all the 3 greats of Indian tean (Sachin, Dravid & Ganguly) were averaging in excess of 50 yet the team was losing. Contrast it with the averages of batsmen in Australian team. These are never phenomenal and yet their team keeps winning. A 30 that helps the team win is worth more that 200 which merely results in a draw. So, let us stop counting the weight of runs scored to glorify/denigrate a batsman. Much has been written about Dhonis failure. I find all the runs scored by him were very very valuable at the given point of time. On the other hand Sachins 63 against Sri Lanka was not that valuable because India won by 7 wickets, Gambhi was un beaten on 63 and Rohit Sharma was at the crease. This is not to undermine the effort. Sachins century and 91 in the two finals were undoubtedly very valuable knocks and were played in discharging the responsibility given to him in the teams game plan. That is the way Dhoni has been captaining (and winning). Assigning a role to a player is a very sensible way and the player is in the team for discharging that role to the best of his ability.
RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 04:30 PM
That does not mean that other captain did not assign specific role to the players!!! When a batsman is in a team he has to play his role of scoring runs and so is a bowler. A form of a batsman and bowler along with his ability play a very important role in winning any match. Look at Ponting, he was in tremedous form prior to this series, buut failed in this series, that doesnot mean that he is incapable of scoring and as a captian to motivate his team from winning!!! Dhoniwas indeed very lucky to win this series, majorly becos if consistent form of sachin, gambhir and ishant. what did ishant do before this series?, but here condition favoured him and he worked hard to get his wickets. Look at pathan, he is tremendous bowler, but in last 2 matches he failed very badly. Dhoni asigned opening role to uttappa, what did he do? what did yuvraj do when he was promoted to number 3? Our best opening partnership was 91 in this series!!! Moral of the story is that each and every player know his role in the game and tries to fulfill it irrespective of what his captain decides for him.
RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 05:00 PM
Ponting is not out of form. His batting has been sorted out by Indian think tank - most probably by our bowling coach Prasad. Unless he finds out an answer to the new way of assault he will keep getting out. As for being lucky I will only quote Sunil Gavaskar who said good luck cannot be visiting u at such high frequency. A good captain works on intuition or insticts as Dhoni calls it. Read todays Times of India where a scintific explanation for intuition has been given. Uthappa did what he asked to do read with what he is capable of doing. When each and every player begins to decide his own role we end up in chaos and the team ends up losing. This is what had been happening in Indian team for a long time and this is why trophies had not been coming. We need a strong captain who can threaten even the best entrenched player and kick out the most confident, if need b. After dropping of Saurav and Dravid, writing was on the wall.
RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 04:56 PM
Dear mr. ashish, if captaining india to win and poor individual performance is acceptable to u? if that is the case why was ganguly sacked??
RE:RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 05:03 PM
Dhonis wicket keeping was exceptional. The runs he scored were invaluable in those conditions. U r wrong it calling it poor. Dravid and Sahwag 400 partnership at Faisalabad was less valuable that Dhonis 50 against Aussies. I believe u will agree.
RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 05:12 PM
I am following your words!!! what is exceptional abot his wkt keeping, he is in team for that and that is his job and he is expected to do it!!
RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:35 PM
SO making runs is sachin's job and he is in team for that... nothing great in that.. If dhoni excelled as WK or as a captain that is expected of him, if ishant took wickets thats his job...appreciate everyone... India won the series because of team effort, which is the highlight of this series... everyone contributed whenever and whatever was asked of them..
RE:Please take balanced view Part I
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 07, 2008 05:30 PM
Absolutely. But even u will accept that he has done it well. In that case we cannot say that he has not performed and needs to dropped like Ganguly as was made out.
Yes. Its fine as long as you still behave the same when the team loses. When the team wins one can say anything but when it starts losing then only the true character of the team comes out. Right now the young team has done exceddingly well. The real test lies ahead to maintian that status.
RE:Fine but he should maintain in future
by HARD HITTER on Mar 07, 2008 04:40 PM
Regarding batting what ahs these youngster done?? Other than gambhir, has anyone shown consistency!!! Look at uttapa, rohit, yuvraj and dhoni
RE:Fine but he should maintain in future
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:09 PM
For your kind info, he has made 347 runs and 21 dismissals. He is the third highest run scorer, just 50 runs or so less than sachin's runs in the series.
RE:Seniors by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 02:50 PM i dont know what dhoni did for the win.. even his contribution so far this series is very poor... the guys who came in performed and he has got all the credits... what a world..
RE:vivek a moron
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 03:41 PM
Dear Mr.Vivian Vivek,
"What Dhoni did for the win". A lot, actually.
When the team performs - individual heroics, it is the team which celebrates and the Captain goes in the background (just like the way Dhoni did).
Supposing the team fails to perform, it is the Captain that is given the maximum beatings - by all and sundry: Selectors, BCCI, Commentators, Ex-cricketers, audience, fans etc.,
It should occur to all of us that just because he's the Captain of the side & a wicket keeper, he cannot get all the 10-players out by catching / stumping / run-out etc.,
If it is a bowler captain like Anil Kumble, one should not expect all 10-wickets to be taken by one human being.
If it is a batsmen captain like Dravid, one should not expect that he will score 220 n.o. each time he steps into bat....
It is a team game and everyone contributes. Else, there is no place for them in the team.
It is the Captain, that motivates the team, trusts them, demands performance from them, expects results from them.
I think that's exactly what Dhoni did.
Did you notice, he was nowhere to be found in the celebrations - he was quietly standing in one corner. He did not remove his shirt and swing it in the air????
RE:vivek a moron
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 03:44 PM
this was what happening with ganguli aswell... team was doing fairly well but his individual performance was not good... what differnece u could see now?
RE:RE:vivek a moron
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 03:46 PM
except for the partnership with rohit on the otherday, do u really feel he had contributed fair enough in this series to our expectation..
RE:vivek a moron
by Priya Rohtagi on Mar 07, 2008 05:05 PM
Dear Mr. vivian, For your info, he has made 347 runs and 21 dismissals. He is the third highest run scorer, just 50 runs or so less than sachin's runs in the series.
RE:RE:RE:vivek a moron
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 03:51 PM
"contributing to our expectation" is a very vague term Mr.Vivian Vivek.
It could mean a thousand things to thousand people.
Like I said in my previsous post, the measure of success is purely not getting runs alone. In a team environment, how you carry the team and boost its confidence is what matters. Dhoni put faith in his team. The team responded well back to him.
RE:vivek a moron
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 03:54 PM
our expectation in sense.... to his earlier innings he played , not long ago just two year back..
RE:RE:RE:RE:vivek a moron
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 03:59 PM
Again you are pointing to the number of runs he made, Mr.Vivian Vivek.
I totally agree with your point.
Here is a man, who would hit 6's and 4's at will, plundered the Pakistani and Sri Lankan attack (who can forget his Jaipur century), reduced them to zeroes and won matches for us.
But I feel we shoudl also realize that is role and responsibility has changed now. He cannot continue to be a belligerent cowboy anymore.
He needs to keep the bigger interest of the team in his mind first.
I guess, that has mellowed him and slowed him down a bit.
RE:vivek a moron
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 03:56 PM
Dear mmspm and Vivian Vivek, please exercise some restraint and do not call each others names in public forum.
Though we do not know the real persons behind those names, what we do know is that you are angry with each for no credible reason and fighting it out in the public.
Please be patient with each other and don't call each other 'names'....
RE:vivek a moron
by Another Indian on Mar 07, 2008 03:59 PM
Great advice Common Man.. Else people will start mistaking mmspm and vivek as prabhakaran... People find him offensive, but I can't stop laughing at the funny comments the guy makes.. he really has a flair for comedy like in no one I have seen till date..
RE:vivek a moron
by Another Indian on Mar 07, 2008 04:31 PM
Yeah Vivek.. Mate, your messages are really clean. In fact you have exhibited remarkable restraint in the face of absolutely delightful language deployed by mmspm.. I admire your calm composure on this forum. Cheers!
RE:vivek a moron
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 03:48 PM
mr.... i dont need ur certificate... learn to present ur self in the forum first, i beleive that is more required for u particularly..
No doubt Sachin is a great batsman with largest number of records. Even Dhoni acknowledged that much the other day. But why does he care about records so much? Isn't he satisfied? If he had somewhat less number of records, will it reduce his income? Why was he so angry with Rahul Dravid that he deprived him of a double century in Pak in Multan in 2004? He needed those extra 8 runs for his personal RECORDS, but the team certainly didn't need them. But that never matters for Sachin. He wants those personal records, whether team benefits from them or not. In any case, he does not have the capability to win matches single-handedly for India. For example, Kapil Paji won that match against Zimbabwe in WC 83, by scoring 175 runs. And he was a bowler who could bat. And here is supposedly the greatest batsman on earth, who has never even come close to playing an innings like that. And, trust me on this, he never will! Actually, Sachin scored a 3 ball duck in a do-or-die match against SL in WC 07. The target was only 255 and Sehwag had already given a decent start in that match.
Therefore, it is important for Dhoni to convince Sachin to retire from the team. Or get him dropped by forcing the issue with the selectors.
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by vivian vivek on Mar 07, 2008 03:31 PM
what is tendulkar doing in the team? answer: watch the last two finals again.. u could understand and get an answer for ur stupid question..
RE:RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by prabha karan on Mar 07, 2008 09:24 PM
vivek..do you know cricket???..if yes then understand who did the match winning contribution to secure india's victory in both the finals???bowlers or batsmens..absolutely no doubt that is because of bowlers.they never allow australis to score above 5 runs per over where they usually score that run.if they score that run then sachin will simply suck to chase or score that run..this is a universal truth in his recent 5 yrs of cricket...so dont get into a stupid understanding and answer to give stupid comments..
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by prabha karan on Mar 07, 2008 09:17 PM
Well said..rohit..big applause for your great finding...dont bother about the insane fans of sachin..you keep rocking
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by Another Indian on Mar 07, 2008 03:25 PM
:-)@Rohit.... mate there is something seriously wrong with the way you think. You think he only wants personal records. Fine, go on believing it. The other Team India fans feel okay coz ultimately the runs count towards the team score. You may wishfully think otherwise, and may be surprised, but the truth is that Team India didn't score 167 runs in the second final... they actually scored 258. Team India also didn't lose the first one day whatsoever you may have believed, coz according to your calculations, India couldn't manage to chase down 238 runs in the first final. Tell me frankly - didn't you calculate that India managed only 238-117=119 runs in 45 overs? And it was virtually impossible to score 117 more runs in just 5 overs?
So first deliberate in your own mind what you are REALLY thinking or arguing.. Once you are clear, your views will be more than welcome on this forum. Cheers!
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 03:34 PM
Dear Mr.Rohit Kanwar, About your statement: "Why was he so angry with Rahul Dravid that he deprived him of a double century in Pak in Multan in 2004? He needed those extra 8 runs for his personal RECORDS"
It was the commentators' interpretation looking at the facial expression on Tendulkar's face. We ONLY heard what the commentators said. Not what Dravid and Tendulkar spoke to each other.
It was all due to Ravi Shastri & Co., guessing what might have been going through Sachin's mind at the time of declaration.
Our own spouses cannot accurately guess what goes on in our minds staying so close under one roof. Why should we seriously take Shastri's interpretations as the truth?
Is it documented anywhere that Tendulkar was upset with that?
Do we get to hear the ACTUAL banter/sledging that goes on inside the field when the game is on? We just look at their facial expressions - their sound is not supposed to be heard.
Each one according to their own experience, perception make out opinions and believe that it is the truth.
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by Another Indian on Mar 07, 2008 03:49 PM
Hi Common Man: Good on you mate. Rohit seems to be in a world of his own. And naturally, after reading the logical and structured replies, he won't bother commenting on them. He will simply start all over again with a fresh vitriolic message, or adopt another name like a prabhakaran or equivalent.. :-)
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by Rohit Kanwar on Mar 07, 2008 04:01 PM
It was not Ravi Shastri who made an issue out of it. It was Tendulkar himself who later on said that he was quite surprised that declaration came when he was only 8 runs away from a double. Sourav Ganguly saved the situation by saying that OK a mistake was made, but let us move on. It is all a matter of public records. But Sachin's inability to fire in crunch situations is legendary. For example, that 3 ball duck against the SL in WC07.
RE:What is Tendulkar doing in the team?
by Common Man on Mar 07, 2008 04:12 PM
Dear Mr.Rohit Kanwar, it was in fact Sachin who himself said he was surprised. I mean, anyone would be surprised. It is a natural human emotion and Sachin is a human, after all.
Regarding his inability to fire in crunch situations, yes. I do agree with you. Even in WC Final 2003, he got out for a duck - when we needed him the most!!!
Well, I guess it happens sometimes. They do have their bad days!
It is no ordinary effort to cater to the expectations of one billion cricket crazy fans of India, you know.
Just because our parents / brothers / sisters make some bad choices for us, do we give up on them? We don't.
