icc even though, is biased, unfair, dishonest to india & without integrity, but it should be loyal to cricket & show a bit of honesty & should investigate the match fixing by ponting & umpires who were playing in complete setting with only one agenda of winning the match by hook & crook & create australian history. icc should stop its double standards if it has to come clean & prove one billion cricket frenzy indians that they are wrong in considering icc & speed, as biased, unfair, unreasonable, dishonest, have taken bribe/ money/ favours/etc (all or any of them or anything else) from cricket australia to be with them, what ever CHEATING MATCH FIXING they wish to do to create world record. icc should immediately ban buckner, ponting, benson, symonds, hogg, clarke if it wants to prove that it is an honest, just, fair, body & not a puppet in the hands of CA, WI board. it should not shy from calling corrupt players corrupt. what stake it has in protecting bucker, benson, proctor, ponting, symonds, clarke, hogg is for everyone to guess, have they bribed icc, have they offered favours in past or future, or what considereation is there for icc to close its eyes, where was their sportsman spirit in the 2nd test, is everyone in the world wants to know. icc should set precedence that it is above CA, WI Board & all corrupt players, that whatever be their number, it is with truth & only truth & should declare india winner of the 2nd test because of wrong means adopted by aussies i
RE:RE:Ponting, buckner symonds benson clarke should be banned
by Kamal on Jan 11, 2008 07:32 PM
I fully endorsed the following posting earlier made by BoadBoy justifying the match was fixed by Rickery Ponting,
Following are the incidents which can be used as proof of fixing
1. 9 Incorrect Umpires Decision
2. Throwing away Bucknor out of next test match
3. Booking "So Called Racist Remarks" against Harbhajan to divert attention of world from MATCH FIXING to some other issuue.
4. Umpire asking Rickey Ponting for making his decision of "Out" for Sourav Ganguly.
RE:Ponting, buckner symonds benson clarke should be banned
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 07:32 PM
Ban Ponting & Clark on the basis of 2003 incident of aus/pak series
Ban Symonds for wrong allegation on Harbhajan
Ban both umpires Bucknor and Benson for their willian behaviour
Ban match refree proctor for not taking any fruitfull step from 1st of the series for umpires blunders and not took any step on ponting and clark regarding their catches
Ban everyone who fails to walk for a decision which is given out.
Ban everyone who appeals for any decision which is given not-out.
RE:Ponting should be charged for Match Fixing
by Kamal on Jan 11, 2008 06:49 PM
There atleast 4 major reasons to believe that the match was fixed by Rickey Ponting.
RE:RE:Ponting should be charged for Match Fixing
by HS girish on Jan 11, 2008 07:10 PM
Umpire Steve Bucknor refering to third umpire voulantarily against Bhajji in desperate attempt to defeat India same person who refused to refuse when appealed against his kin Simmonds.
RE:Ponting should be charged for Match Fixing
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 07:12 PM
Ban Ponting & Clark on the basis of 2003 incident of aus/pak series
Ban Symonds for wrong allegation on Harbhajan
Ban both umpires Bucknor and Benson for their willian behaviour
Ban match refree proctor for not taking any fruitfull step from 1st of the series for umpires blunders and not took any step on ponting and clark regarding their catches
Ban everyone who fails to walk for a decision which is given out.
Ban everyone who appeals for any decision which is given not-out.
PS : @yy This is mine Boss. I am not responsible if some one copied this in some other thread
RE:Ponting should be charged for Match Fixing
by Kamal on Jan 11, 2008 06:53 PM
Partially yes, one Broad Boy posted this earlier. We should take the good contents.
RE:@Kabeer
by vivamumbai on Jan 11, 2008 05:46 PM
what are you trying to say? where will 1 billion indians go if they 'get out of the country right now?'
RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 05:50 PM
ur maths is wrong and its none of my business. u first learn to read msg properly.
I dint said all aussies get out I said anti-nationalists get out, i am addressing to kabeer and not to all indians, if u r Indian means if kabeer is Indian kabeer has to get out of country
RE:RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 07:20 PM
my post deleted, hence reposting
@Kabeer
1. ausies r not responsible but aussie cricket board, captain, umpires and icc r responsible.
2. yuvraj's decision was not out. he didnt knick the ball to slip and stood though knowing he knick the ball just like clark.
3. 3rd umpires r provided for cricket matches officially to resolve issues and to clear uncertainties. As it is there in official manner it has to be used.
If u r anti-indian or australian sh...ut ur ba...ck and mind ur business. If u r Indian get out of the country right now.
Now dont say who am i to say getout to u. Indian constitution have provided right to act against anti-nationalist for all citizens of India. this right is one among 10 duties and 10 rights provided to citizens of India.
RE:@Kabeer
by Kabeer on Jan 11, 2008 05:57 PM
Dear mmspm,
My sense of nationalism transcends beyond a game of cricket! If your sense of pride and guilt can not go beyond winning and losing a cricket match you need to get your patriotic bearings right!
RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 06:01 PM
@Kabeer
haik kabeer, his nationalism transcends toleration beyond injustice to our national team and injustice to national team player.
if ur nationalism transcends beyond a game of cricket and u r not bothered about this then shut ur back or whatever and mind ur business. we feel very bad about injustice happened to our team. we r not just bugging here, we mailed to ICC & BCCI about our views and our protest. I am one among them.
hope u understood and if u r not bothered about this u will just mind ur business
RE:RE:@Kabeer
by yy on Jan 11, 2008 06:11 PM
I think @Kabeer & mmspm is a same login man. When @kabeer logoff, immediately mmspm logon, so both are same and gives a alternate reply to each other.
RE:RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 06:04 PM
and one more ur statement "If your sense of pride and guilt can not go beyond winning and losing a cricket match you need to get your patriotic bearings right"
my patriotic bearings are in right path. our protest is about injustice to our team and our player, its not matter of pride and guilt moves with win or loss of cricket match.
RE:RE:RE:@Kabeer
by yy on Jan 11, 2008 06:07 PM
What's Statement "If your sense of pride and guilt can not go beyond winning and losing a cricket match you need to get your patriotic bearings right"
RE:@Kabeer
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:09 PM
reminds of Shaw- "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it".
That said, Kabeer, if you're not blinded by your patriotism you wouldn't be frequenting indian chat boards trying to defend your countrymen, masquerading as an indian wearing objectivity on your sleeves.
RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 06:15 PM
@Why Care
Mr. i am not blinded by my conviction. I have mentioned 3 points as return answer for Kabeer's quote. Please take my points on that basis. Defending justice does not mean blind patriotism
RE:@Kabeer
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:23 PM
mmspm- i didnt say anything to you. i took a dig at Kabeer, who i think is an aussie in an indian's garb.
RE:@Kabeer
by yy on Jan 11, 2008 06:18 PM
I think @Kabeer & mmspm is a same login man. When @kabeer logoff, immediately mmspm logon, so both are same and gives a alternate reply to each other.
RE:@Kabeer
by yy on Jan 11, 2008 06:33 PM
But what I am Saying Just You agree with this that @Kabeer & mmspm is a same login man. why you cannot accept it.
RE:@Kabeer
by vivamumbai on Jan 11, 2008 06:25 PM
so if you are trying to say 'if you are indian and do not support our team then leave India' ... why not write just one sentence.
Anyway who is an indian? Someone with a indian passport or NRI? We have so many identities and the sport gives us some unity.
RE:RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 06:44 PM
i wrote as anti-nationalists have to leave the country. Kabeer have posted nonsense, he posted as if india lost the match we r creating controversy, i just told him that, its not matter of win or lose or pride, or just blind love on cricket. Its a fight for justice and i have mentioned things point by point as reply for his pooints.
now hope u stop bark nonsense and mind ur business
RE:@Kabeer
by mmspm on Jan 11, 2008 06:41 PM
i just tell u one thing, read the post properly and try to understand it properly if u have any uncertainties. still u found uncertainties in ur view by reading that msg contact some one near by (3rd umpire).
RE:RE:@Kabeer
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:25 PM
Ashish- you've been responded to in the thread below. So stop regurgitating. And take a hike, i'll be back in the night to rip your a*ss in case you're still here.
RE:@Kabeer
by yy on Jan 11, 2008 06:23 PM
But what I am Saying Just You agree with this that @Kabeer & mmspm is a same login man. why you cannot accept it.
RE:@Kabeer
by yy on Jan 11, 2008 06:40 PM
Hello mmspm I think you heard about my post. Just i thought that @Kabeer & mmspm is a same login man. So don't take tension.
kumble is a gentleman, he has explained in clear words, what his intent was and what he stood for. i beleive thats what the aussie blokes in this forum want, and thats what the team wanted, complete transparency and squeaky clean explanation. further he even said that his apologies and efforts/pains to continue with the game was met with a nought.
looks like symonds is upto some mischief here, plain and simple. for ponting, what better time to get rid of his nemesis bhajji, now he'd not have to play bhajji, and he'd get to score some runs! cool.
if any of the trolls come around giving some of their logic here. that'd be fun. it'd just expose their duplicity. cos so far theyve been shielding under the "look, the indians havent comeout and explained themselves, thats why they are guilty" none of that crap anymore.
RE:I'm glad Kumble stepped out of the BCCI gag and explained it for us
by Ian Chappell on Jan 11, 2008 05:40 PM
Yes mate, I must say Ponting started a wrong trend in world cricket by going to match referee for complain which could have been sorted out by calm talks with Kumble. Section 3.3 clearly said that you can not even "INSULT" oposition player on the field leave alone RECISM or ABUSE words!! Ponting really made the life difficult for his boys because from now on they can't use there "Mental Disintegration Tactic" on the field!!
RE:I'm glad Kumble stepped out of the BCCI gag and explained it for us
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 05:46 PM
perhaps you have not read what kumble had to say about bhajji and the alleged claim. i belive kumble, you can latch on to the aussie "concocted" version.
RE:People lile Ashish
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 05:23 PM
Yes, there is one apt name for such mutants- Macaulayites. Although, I doubt Ashish is one, cuz MaCaulayites at least have the gift of the gab and are equally adept in writing. Ashish displays neither trait.
RE:People lile Ashish
by ashish on Jan 11, 2008 05:57 PM
dude if i didnt have the gift of gab u wudnt bother replyin and dont worry bout my gift of gab ,ur shakespearen gab sounds like a loony just off the mental hopsital more like bhajy lol
RE:People lile Ashish
by Serious Cricket on Jan 11, 2008 06:08 PM
hey ashish... stop ur anti ind crap dude. We all know that u like their ass... agreed.
RE:People lile Ashish
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 06:27 PM
sure, i'd be glad to hand over the trophy there. but, i'd be the one laughing at the aussie blokes for doing a hasty u-turn after their 'briliant' performance by young clarke. dude, im not afraid to praise any good performances. this test too, clarke did a great job cleaning up the tail. there you go (indians can appreciate good talent)
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:20 PM
Dude my posts are getting deleted even before they get a chance to appear on the board. Look, 3 posts deleted already!
RE:People lile Ashish
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 06:44 PM
haha, cant take a bit of a sarcasm ? 30 runs was mighty tough on that crumbling pitch, just like clarke swept the indians in one over on a 5th day pitch. the century was sarcastic.
RE:People lile Ashish
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 06:39 PM
I hope your cerebellum would understand that just 30 runs were needed for victory at that stage. If you agree that 5 indian wickets couldn't resist for under 30 overs in a flat pitch, then probably i agree that half dozen more would need for Hauritz to score a century (which wasn't the need of hour at all)
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 07:00 PM
:) well, i sure wish the indian pace attack was in good condition and form, would have been a cracker of a contest, even though indians arent used to hard surfaces. too bad zaheer, munaf arent playing. its always good to see a straight contest. i love any team visiting australia, and love supporting the under dogs :) its a keen contest, and like bhajji said, "Oz brings the best out of you". unfortunately, he might not be playing this test, if things go the aussie way!
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:40 PM
No, vivamumbai, don't generalize it. But the self-proclaimed 'brown sahibs' most definitely are macaulayites.
RE:People lile Ashish
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 06:25 PM
If not for a horrible decision against Hauritz of kumble's bowling when he looked good at 15 with 2 boundaries, hmmm... who knows Australia might have gone over the meagre score of india.
RE:People lile Ashish
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:45 PM
And read carefully, especially this part "The term is usually used in a derogatory fashion, and the connotation is one of disloyalty to one's country and one's heritage"
That is exactly what ashish has been doing here, and that is exactly why i called him a macaulayite.
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 06:29 PM
Uhnn.. Care, am TJ and not TJif or whatever. Thanx you finally revealed that you aren't in india, and that might be a gud news to your friends here....who actually thinks that you are one of them into evening 6.25pm. Miserably they ain't knew you deliver things from the famous Far Far West. I hope you head your works...while go for my nap.
RE:People lile Ashish
by vivamumbai on Jan 11, 2008 06:32 PM
From Wikipedia ...
The term Macaulay's Children is used to refer to people born of Indian ancestry who adopt Western culture as a lifestyle, or display attitudes influenced by colonisers. The term is usually used in a derogatory fashion, and the connotation is one of disloyalty to one's country and one's heritage. This frame of mind or attitude is also referred to as Macaulayism The passage to which the term refers is from his Minute on Indian Education, delivered in 1835. It reads,
%u201CIt is impossible for us, with our limited means, to attempt to educate the body of the people. We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect. To that class we may leave it to refine the vernacular dialects of the country, to enrich those dialects with terms of science borrowed from the Western nomenclature, and to render them by degrees fit vehicles for conveying knowledge to the great mass of the population."
RE:People lile Ashish
by ashish on Jan 11, 2008 06:29 PM
haha why care u in cali and u talkin patriotism,hyppocrite ,donty shed croc tears when u dont even live tere
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:37 PM
Ashish- you keep exposing your ignorance in a chatboard without any shame. its 7am in central time zone, and california is 2hrs behind.
TJ- I am still one of them, just cuz i am non-resident doesn't make me any less India than those who reside there. And I've lived the first 21 years of my life in India. I'll head for my work now, you sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite you.
RE:People lile Ashish
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 06:49 PM
Anyways R, thankx for some info and this little chat took me back to 2004 when it was raining heavily in my town and felt warmth of a fire watching this match.
RE:People lile Ashish
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 06:07 PM
Now, who wrote that for you ashish- it sure took you a while to come up with that rebuttal. And when did ever sound or try to sound shakespearean? the bard would be turning in his grave if iever tried such audacity.
by the way, your use of 'sms' language ('tat' instead of 'that' and so on) in a debate speaks volumes about your mental age. that's a trait commonly observed amongst adolescents on the net.
RE:People lile Ashish
by Ian Chappell on Jan 11, 2008 05:32 PM
No mate Chihahua. You are wrong here. This is not about whites or blacks. This is about justice and I must say Aussies are better team then India as far as skills level is concerned and they make better strategies to win the game. Yes I didn't like Ponting and his mates behaviour on the field but as soon as they rectify it they will show India that who is the BOSS.
RE:People lile Ashish
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 05:36 PM
well, they can show who's the boss already, but it wont be in the onfield behaviour department.
they are good as a team. they are already ahead in the game for sure. they are a great outfit, good training, great facility, no politics in selection, good talent grooming, great team management. no wonder australia is doing good for so many years.
RE:People lile Ashish
by Indian on Jan 11, 2008 05:43 PM
No Ian Chappell:
This is not about justice, not the way you put it.. The Aussie team of today is about winning at all costs..
And sorry to shatter your disillusionment, but Chihuahua is right.. He is commenting about Ashish who is supposed to be an Indian but is ashamed of being one.. His comments have nothing to do with Indian cricket team.. So you are entirely out of order here! :-)
RE:People lile Ashish
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 05:51 PM
However, Clarke stands his best bowling figures (6 for 9) as a part time spinner against india in mumbai. I reckon you would bring some more interesting figures of indian in WACA all these years....
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 06:08 PM
yeah, i remember that match very clearly. was very amusing for me to see to do a complete U-turn of sorts. when clarke got those magical figures, indians dint complain about the pitch, and the aussie team hailed clarke's efforts as a miracle.
but when aussie team got ripped off subsequently, the entire aussie side, fans et al, cried hoarse. was a lot of fun to watch :) that was sheer hypocrisy - even if that was one F-ucked pitch (indians as well as the board did apologise for the pitch, and was accepted that its bad for cricket, the low scores and all). but im still amused, glad that you brought up that point :D
RE:RE:People lile Ashish
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 05:40 PM
Raj, i appreciate your unbiassed thoughts. Also, would appreciate that both teams are mentally comfortable with each other's attitude and bring out a marvellous match in a real tough arena as good as WACA.
RE:People lile Ashish
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 05:47 PM
i know that YOU and the aussie team will be comfortable in WACA, much like how the Aussie team would be in Mumbai :)
RE:Anil Kumble
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 05:17 PM
kumble did good. well, on field behaviour of ponting is anythign but whats expected of a captain of a winnigest side of test cricket. especially since the aussie blokes make so much of it. but dude, leave the off-field life to him, dont rake it. thats his private life, he can live as he pleases. of course, thats not whats expected of a role model. but then, he's hardly a diplomat, or an ambassador of a game for sure. maybe in his country where the culture's different. what matters for the rest of us outside of OZ is his on field behavior.
RE:Anil Kumble
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 06:29 PM
thats what we were talking about, and thats what we dint wanna talk about, and thats what we agreed it wasnt worth talking about :D
RE:RE:Anil Kumble
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 07:15 PM
boss yu dint get what i meant. it meant the exact same thing - ponting's behaviour off the field isnt worth talking abt. we have plenty of rot to speak abt onfield!
