Why on earth did Anil Kumble apologise to Aussies? Especially after an uncivilised behaviour by them. Kumble's claim in today's column that he intended to smoothen things out, does not make sense.
After his request of not reporting Bhajji was thrown out of the window by Ponting stubbornly, Kumble should have acted tough.
The blame put on Bhajji is a result of frustration on the part of Aussies. By rubbing Bhajji the wrong way, they got the taste of their own medicine. Probably for the first time the Aussies realised how bitter this medicine tastes.
Their frustration also comes from the fact that Ricky Ponting is all at sea against Bhajji's bowling, not only in this tour, but throughout his career.
The ploy to embroil Bhajji into this racism controversy is aimed at distracting him and Indian team from cricket and then go on to win the Perth test, which will help Ponting better the world record of test match wins.
Neither Kumble nor any Indian will live with this tag of racism being levelled at an Indian citizen... and tour must be aborted if Bhajji is not cleared of this baseless allegation
RE:Kumble's Senseless Apology to Aussies
by raj on Jan 11, 2008 05:23 PM
kumble is a gentleman, he has explained in clear words, what his intent was and what he stood for. i beleive thats what the aussie blokes in this forum want, and thats what the team wanted, complete transparency and squeaky clean explanation. further he even said that his apologies and efforts/pains to continue with the game was met with a naought. looks like symonds is upto some mischief here, plain and simple. and what better time to get rid of his nemesis bhajji, now he'd not have to play bhajji, and he'd get to score some runs! cool. if any trolls come around giving some of their logic here. that'd be fun. it'd just expose their duplicity. cos so far theyve been shielding under the "look, the indians havent comeout and explained themselves" thats why they are guilty. none of that crap anymore.
Indian can plan that they will win at any cost and can assassinate or mutilate all Aussie players. There is no end to it. So better for every one to follow fair game than being oversmart idiots like aussies.
Its India's attitude for the game.Its not that they can be bogged down by making comments against them like "making racial comments".This was decided by ponting and team to come up with those solutions as they didnt have any other way to win on that day.
RE:Teri Maaki
by Calspadeaspade on Jan 11, 2008 06:33 PM
Unfortunately "Teri M**ki" is a worse curse word than monkey though not racist. But in line with the Aussie lingo on thecricket field.
1. ausies r not responsible but aussie cricket board, captain, umpires and icc r responsible.
2. yuvraj's decision was not out. he didnt knick the ball to slip and stood though knowing he knick the ball just like clark.
3. 3rd umpires r provided for cricket matches officially to resolve issues and to clear uncertainties. As it is there in official manner it has to be used.
If u r anti-indian or australian sh...ut ur ba...ck and mind ur business. If u r Indian get out of the country right now.
Now dont say who am i to say getout to u. Indian constitution have provided right to act against anti-nationalist for all citizens of India. this right is one among 10 duties and 10 rights provided to citizens of India.
RE:@Kabeer
by Indian on Jan 11, 2008 04:57 PM
ashish:
To the best of my knowledge the entire population of Australia is 20 million. If you claim millions are already fleeing from India, that would mean Aussie population is going up by millions every month/year?
First, I thought he was honest and a gentleman. Now I will have to recheck. First, look what he has to say "We had decided that in the case of a disputed catch we would take the word of the fielder concerned, if he was certain." What is that when one is certain. Either you take the players word, if believe your opposite team, or not. Who will decide one is certain or not. I don't think this is the agreement and he seems to be making it up the certain part. Second, he claims Harbhajan has not use the "Monkey" word. But he wants to talks to Ponting who insists that Harbhajan did. What is the point in talking when both says completely opposite things unless there is a mediator. Kumble looks stupid for insisting on that. Third, saying one team playing in the spirit itself is not in the spirit of the game. Is it? I think better for everyone that he shuts up.
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Arjun Shetty on Jan 11, 2008 04:45 PM
on the contrary, anonymous crazy, mad single dimensioned fanatic fans like u must check theirmental stability ..it was because of monkeyy fans like that we lost the respect in the world when mentally deranged fans like u stopped the semi finals in a world cup in calcutta when india was getting battered by sri lanka
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Patience on Jan 11, 2008 04:47 PM
It is better if you shut up!! We would rather read about the point of view of someone in the thick of it than your stupid analysis.
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Anuj Kapoor on Jan 11, 2008 04:54 PM
you mean to say that one team lies and cheats on the field by taking bump balls and claim them as catches and the other team needs to take its word for it...
Probably you did not read the complete sentence.. Lemme do it for you the part which you missed for unknown yet obvious reasons
"But that agreement was based on the premise that, come what may, whatever the situation, the fielder concerned would be completely straight on what happened"
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Onlooker on Jan 11, 2008 05:05 PM
Kapoor, The second part that you stated is the extension of the "certain" part. Who will decide that a player is certain or straight on what happened?
As for ball bumping, you don't have to worry if it is too obvious. The umpires themselves will decide. When it is not possible for the umpires to make that decision, you have agreed to take the players word for it. Australian players thought they were certain about the catch. As Mongia or someone pointed out, even the catcher cannot be 100% certain if the ball touched the ground or not in some circumstances. That is only a technicality. What they can be certain is if they used the extra help from the ground to grasp the ball which obviously they didn't. So, as for them they were certain of the catch and you have to take their word as agreed.
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Indian on Jan 11, 2008 05:31 PM
Mr. Onlooker:
Who will decide that a player is certain? The batsman! He is standing there watching the antics, and can figure out there is something wrong. Its not as if all this is happening far away on the boundary, where only the concerned player needs to come clear with his conscience.
As Mongia or someone pointed out even the catcher cannot be 100% certain etc.. well, if you are not 100% certain, then don't claim the catch.. Didn't Ricky say and show that in the first innings? Though if you will note, he did it against Dravid who was plodding along and Punter was perfectly okay with his flounderings on the pitch..
I'm certain he would have not done the same against Tendulkar or Laxman who were going great guns. Look what happened in the second innings.. Dravid started playing well, and the entire Aussie side went up cheerfully appealing for a caught behind when the bat was tucked in half a food behind the pad...
Those are the things that raise doubts and the goodwill and faith under which any understandings/agreements are made.. But perhaps you will not understand!!
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Arjun Shetty on Jan 11, 2008 04:40 PM
great objective, dispassionate analysis from a sane poster. Hats off for posting the obvious. It is a releif to see that we have sane , educated posters in our country. Kumble is just trying to shift the focus away from the series defeat and to sway and inluence the emotional crazy fans
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by ashish on Jan 11, 2008 04:43 PM
well said arjun crazy fans first burn the indian players houses when they lose and now rickys parents get nasty phone calls ,how low can we go
RE:RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Arjun Shetty on Jan 11, 2008 04:46 PM
ashish, that is the naked truth..also the same crazy fans stop and spoil a world cup semi final match when our team is losing..and now the same fans talk crapp..this is really sad, i mean the nature of our cray , biased hypocritic fans
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by hiten sarvaiya on Jan 11, 2008 04:49 PM
hmmm i dont know what the hell r u speaking i think u have not saw the whole game
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Satchidaananda Sharma on Jan 11, 2008 04:57 PM
U must be crazy to question Anil's credentials like this.He remains honest and gentleman. he actually represents Hard and Fair policy better than aussies!!! u shut up first!
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 05:31 PM
yes becoming a Captain after highest number of test matches played by himself. may be a honour to yourself, but shame to everyother in the world
RE:RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Indian on Jan 11, 2008 05:36 PM
TJ:
Come up with something better mate.. If you are an Aussie you are really messing up.. becoming captain after highest number of test matches makes someone dishonourable??? Take a break man.. even your pal ashish will find it hard stretched to back you up on this logic..:-)
You couldn't argue against Raj that Kumble's reputation is far better than any arrogant Aussie brat, you couldn't find fault with the measured and dignified statement of Kumble (as opposed to "You should not be standing in this room" variety of rants from Punter)..
RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by Serious Cricket on Jan 11, 2008 05:45 PM
u need not be a honest to work in a bank... Anil is definitely honest compared to any of the aussies... hey TJ hope u know the history of Aus... do u mate? thiefs.... bla bla bla.. u r getting their mate
RE:RE:Kumble - a national shame?
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 07:08 PM
Well its upto you to debate that becoming a Captain after so many tests is Honourable or utter Shame.
I think as many indians that are against indian team equals as many Australians that are against Australian blokes. Further, you seem to speak about morale, character, etc while you fail to understand the professional achievements of Ponting which kumble could well dream off.
You could either lay off as a poopie clerk with your polite speech and mask of honesty in an office or try to whip off the hardships and become a beacon in top management with your skills.
I was talking about the umpires on the final day of play in 2nd test between SA & WI.
2 Catches were taken by Gayle standing in slips. First one was Amla's dismissal, which came of a no ball bowled by a new spinner of WI. The Midwicket angle clearly showed the no ball, while umpire was busy giving Amla out after he edged to Gayle.
Second one was Smith dismissal when he scooped to Gayle in Slip. Gayle completed the catch in similar fashion to that of Ganguly's catch by Michael Clarke. This would be clear if you watch the replays in Star Cricket.
However, SA did not want to go in for weepy redressal as they were cruising towards victory (courtesy their captain's innings) and held their confidence. On the other WI displayed their utter poor bowling that these wickets fell into their tanny bags as good as fortune.
Credit to no.1 umpire like Simon Tauffel who stood their giving decisions...
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Serious Cricket on Jan 11, 2008 04:38 PM
TJ, I suggest dont jump ur guns in hurry mate... you shouldn't forget that it was India who won a test match in Aus last. No other team came close to winning a series then us. Well if thats not enough... u guys are coming to India in OCT so let us see how u all play here... and hope ur fast bowlers will not come up with some excuses this time around to skip the tour and I seriously hope ur ponting will rreach double fugures this time around... hope u remember his scores last time around 0,6,0,0,11 looks like a telephone number mate. To be called a worlds best should be able to deliver in all conditions first improve the average in Ind and then talk abt worlds best.
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Serious Cricket on Jan 11, 2008 04:39 PM
TJ, I suggest dont jump ur guns in hurry mate... you shouldn't forget that it was India who won a test match in Aus last. No other team came close to winning a series then us. Well if thats not enough... u guys are coming to India in OCT so let us see how u all play here...
RE:RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Serious Cricket on Jan 11, 2008 04:40 PM
and hope ur fast bowlers will not come up with some excuses this time around to skip the tour and I seriously hope ur ponting will reach double fugures this time around... hope u remember his scores last time around was zeros in most of the innings To be called a worlds best should be able to deliver in all conditions first improve the average in Ind and then talk abt worlds best.
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by TJ on Jan 11, 2008 05:03 PM
Hei Whycare, you suddenly start talking about 10 years cricket? Wonder you ever knew that Rawl Lewis had played just 5 international tests and grabbed 4 wickets? hence my contention is fair while as an indian you go by his age which is 33 years...
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 05:15 PM
No, I don't. I am aware he hasn't played much of test cricket, but he is certainly not "NEW". I remember him from the Ind-Eng-WI triangular series in 1998.
RE:RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Serious Cricket on Jan 11, 2008 04:39 PM
and hope ur fast bowlers will not come up with some excuses this time around to skip the tour and I seriously hope ur ponting will rreach double fugures this time around... hope u remember his scores last time around 0,6,0,0,11 looks like a telephone number mate. To be called a worlds best should be able to deliver in all conditions first improve the average in Ind and then talk abt worlds best.
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by ashish on Jan 11, 2008 04:44 PM
hahah iv taken a break long enough dude ,right from wc 2003 iv been hearin next wc watch how we trash oz ,wc 2007 came and went im still waitinm for the trashin lol
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Indian on Jan 11, 2008 04:54 PM
ashish:
Remember a certain Sydney test match? Does a score of 6/134 sound familiar?
Does an umpiring debacle against which there was a global outroar sound familiar?
Of course you can wait for the trashin till the cows come home, if the umpiring continues to be what it is.
And Serious Cricket said take a break. Its you who said you are waitin for the trashin.. :-) So your inner feelings and insecurities coming out? Not being helped by the serious pressure Aussies were seen to be under in Sydney?, when a slight pressure was put on them.
RE:Gud Umpires, hum???
by Why Care on Jan 11, 2008 04:39 PM
Comparing apples and oranges again? Taufel's errors or close calls did not cost SA the match, did it? Moreover, these inequities were hardly as glaring as the ones that were committed in Sydney. Taufel, the no.1 umpire in the world, erroneously gave Tendulkar and Ganguly out in England, while upholding decisions in favor of Misbah and Akmal in the series against Pak. Indian team didn't complain, did we?
And if Rawl Lewis is a new WI spinner, then I am not sure if you've been following international cricket much in the past 10 years or so.
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