I don't understand why most of cricket people r after indian cricket.is it becoz BCCI is richest board,deliberate intention to nail down BCCI,or something else.these people r clearly miserable people who r complaining kanpur wicket for nothing,especially malcolm speed.both the teams got over 250 runs in first innings,so is it a bad pitch.
just on the 3rd day pitch was difficult to score runs but before that normal cricket could get runs just what ganguly,smith,laxman,amla got.i m sure if someone with very good common sense would cross examine mahanama,speed then these liars would not have any valid answer.
again it is bound to make controversy regarding kanpur pitch.mahanama's common sense has certainly gone for a toss.there is certainly pressure from ICC or he is deliberately trying to upset india.what is the definition of bad pitch.is it under prepared,couldn't last 5 days,spins more,uneven bounce.then seaming wickets should also be termed as over prepared with lots of grass,swings,bounces more,it could last 5 days but take out 2 to two &half days where first couple of days r almost unplayable by batsman and on last day the cracks open up so wide that coin can be inserted.
Another thing to note is that noise is made about indian pitches,whenever non subcontinent teams couldn't handle spin well against india.specially AUS for mumbai in 2004 and now SA.in 2005 Srilanka came to india played at Motera which was as good as kanpur wicket.but no one made noise for it.Malcolm Speed is just disgrace to cricket.just acting as a pure racist master.
What is a poor pitch and what is a good pitch? Do you think Channai pitch was good where it was a batting paradise? Do you think Ahmedabad pitch was good where the ball was flying the first day? Why are we always blaming ourselves no one complains if the pitch is fiery, to them it is true pitch, then why complain if it is a real turner?
I think it is seriously needed to redefine the concepts of pitches in cricket. The current definition of pitches happens to be from pre historic era, where spin bowlers were only in support role and the batsman were not well equipped to handle them. The pitches were prepared to assist fast bowling and only under prepared wickets used to have vicious turns and because there was no concept of pitches being covered therefore as the days passed, the pitches started to disintegrate because the weather used to have a toll. The pitches do not disintegrate that often now because it is well preserved by covers and all.
The things have changed with India and Sri Lanka coming into fore in spin department and pitches are deliberately made to suite spin, hence the definition of sporting wickets needed to be changed, only dangerous pitches need to be reported.
I therefore do not have any complaints against Mahanama as he has done what the rule book says. Only other thing he could do is not submit any complaints in his report, which would have been a bit of bending of rules and could have back fired for him if SACB had complained.
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by John Miles on Apr 16, 2008 07:03 PM
In short : Day 1 - Swing bowlers Day 2 - Perfect for batting Day 3 - Little bit of seam and spin Day 4 - Appreciable turn and variable bounce Day 5 - Vicious raging turner
Was Kanpur like that?? The answer is no....you don't want a match to end in 3 days, do you??
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by Finix on Apr 16, 2008 08:25 PM
jo'berg wicket fro india in 2006
Day 1 - Swing bowlers with lot of bounce Day 2 - Swing bowlers with lot of bounce Day 3 - 10% less swing than earlier,no spin Day 4 - 10% less swing than earlier,no spin,no variable bounce
Day 5 -Match Over
Question is where is the help for spinners,variable bounce or Vicious raging turner.Kanpur was lot better than jo'berg were fast bowlers too got help.now just shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by Kaushik Basu on Apr 16, 2008 07:05 PM
Also adding to above, no one can prepare swing pitch, because swing is more depended on the weather conditions and not exactly on the pitch. Also definitions have changed because now newer variations of bowling has come in as reverse swing etc.
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by John Miles on Apr 16, 2008 07:12 PM
Reverse swing is more dependent on rough the square is, notnecessarily on condition of pitch, also reverse swing is an art that cannot be used by all bowlers...you need pace to do that!! Only Ishant in Team India has the pace to achieve reverse swing!!
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by John Miles on Apr 16, 2008 06:57 PM
A god pitch is a well watered one that will hold for greater part of the match and one which will not have any uneven bounce and will not be two paced!!
It will be perfect batting strip for first two days with a little bit of sideways movement due to moisture in track...after that the moisture will evaporate and the cracks will obviously widen....some spin will thus be seen form day 3 and also some lateral seam movement due to cracks....day 4 will further see the widening of cracks and some cracks will come apart, that is when the pitch will start offering appreciable turn... Day 5, the cracks will all open and crumble and the pitch will resemble a minefield and the ball will turn viciously..
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by Kaushik Basu on Apr 16, 2008 07:03 PM
Those does not hold true now a days because the weather does not have as much affect as it used to be a couple of dacades ago, because of the improved covers and improved rollers. So most of the matches in 80s used to be draws. The ideal strip that you have described is very hard to come by now a days. Usually the pitches are either batting paradise or bouncy and fast or square turners. That is the very reason I am saying that definition of good pitches needs to be changed.
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by TheBoss on Apr 16, 2008 07:04 PM
Bad pitch is the one where it is dangerous for the batsman. I mean danger of getting hurt and two or three did get hurt in this match though not so bad. Having said that there have been pitches worse than this one.
RE:Pitch Definition needs to be revisited
by Kaushik Basu on Apr 16, 2008 07:08 PM
True. If the bad report is given for pitch being dengerous, then surely the curator deserves to take in a lot of blame along with BCCI. I can not comment on wheather the pitch was dengerous, because I have not seen the match.
This is nothing but an act out of jealosy by ICC. ICC cannot stand BCCI taking more power and influence. Gavaskar was right. The Aussies and English cannot digest the fact that India has overgrown them. Why did ICC not react when a green top was prepared in Kolkata and Nagpur earlier? We should not give a d**n to ICC and carry on. ICC cannot survive without India. And that joker Mahanama seems to have forgotten that SriLankan cricket has begged BCCI with a bowl to donate money otherwise they cannot survive! Let the dogs bark....
RE:BCCI doesnt have money for pitch maintenance!
by RamRamRam on Apr 16, 2008 07:01 PM
Rohit you were mistaken. BCCI has spent millions of Rupees to maintain the quality of pitch and the ground as per their books.
RE:BCCI doesnt have money for pitch maintenance!
by Rohit on Apr 16, 2008 07:04 PM
RamRamRam!!! You still believe in books! They have just maintained their own "home pitches"!!
It is all a planned conspiracy. Our Indian cricketers are like the owner of a grocery shop trying to grab as much as they can. I pity the cricket lovers of our country while they spend staying away from office and spend from their pockets on a victory or loss whereas the cricketer makes more money with victory and less money with loss. hence the so called dhoni could give 10000 to the grounds man for having gained in multiples of the same. I know this message of mine would not be displayed
RE:cricket a business
by crazyguy on Apr 16, 2008 07:13 PM
And u are a blaky under white mask, otherwise u didn't joke with it Mr.Bluefox. That's worse my dear. This is a discussion board on cricket not on someone's surname u stupid.
RE:India Does It Again..
by John Miles on Apr 16, 2008 06:44 PM
As&shole...your facts are all wrong...the match was played at the Wankhede and that was not for squaring the series...the series was already lost 0-2.....we won the dead rubber by 13 runs when Aussies fell for 93 chasing down 107.....
RE:RE:India Does It Again..
by Sohel Dalal on Apr 16, 2008 06:45 PM
yes, the same as in kanpur. i totally remembered. australia cudnt even chased 100 runs. I thnk ICC must stop this. Australia, SA,Newzealand, England they dont do this kind of thing
RE:RE:India Does It Again..
by veerapuram dharan on Apr 16, 2008 06:48 PM
u india baiters sohel and roshan, u dont know wat does patriotism means...if the pitch was under prepared, then both the teams shd be at disadvantage...because SA are all good players of spin...hence, pack ur bags and leave this gr8 nation...
RE:India Does It Again..
by veerapuram dharan on Apr 16, 2008 06:44 PM
ur name suggets u shd be a srilankan...never blame the pitch..if the aus can prepare bouncy pitches specifically for asian teams, wats rong in india doing similar tactics...just pack off to lanka, along with ur name sake referee..
RE:India Does It Again..
by ashwani gautam on Apr 16, 2008 06:50 PM
And for your kind knowledge, a pitch takes minimum 2-3 months to be ready for an international match, curator can't change it overnight to help the Host Team, and Grow up stop cribbing :)
