tome to make the selection more genuince ICA INDIA CRICKET PLAYERS ASSOCIATION SHOULD SELECT AND GIVE 20 PROBABLE AND FIT AND PERFORMING PLAYERS PRIOR TO SELECTION TO BCCI. THEN BCCI SHOULD ONLY SELECT FROM THEM THEIR 15 AND THEY HAVE TO BE ROTATED FREQUENTLY. THEN BOARD'S GAMES WILL END AND PLAYERS WILL HAVE BETTER REPRESENTATION IN TEAM SELECTION. CRICKET AUSTRALIA NEVER INTERPRETED IN TEAM SELECTION, THIS IS THE PLAYERS ASSOCIATION WHICH SELECTS THE MOST PROBABLE TEAMS. THAT WILL GIVE MORE TRANSFERENCY AS PLAYERS WILL GET A FEELING THAT THEY SELECTED BEST AMONG THEMSELVES.
RE:the captains and coaches of all domestic sides should give probable of 20 fit
by Srini on Oct 30, 2007 03:22 PM
good idea. Trust me it won't work at all. The amount of politics happens in state, district selection is quite bad.
RE:Leader
by SURYAPRAKASH TATA on Oct 30, 2007 11:56 AM
can you give me one haydan,gilchrist, symmonds, clarke, haddin, jhonson,bracken,clark, hogg, likes. then even i can lead the team like ponting.
RE:RE:Leader
by GRT Guru on Oct 30, 2007 02:21 PM
Mr. Surya Prakash, our boys Sachin, Sourav, Dravid, Yuvraj, Robin, Dhoni, Harbhajan are much better if you compare them with Aussies ( head to head ). But still we are loosing because we dont have the confindence and belief. That is really a sad story.
IF SACHIN PLAYS SOMANY GAMES HE WOULD HAVE OUT BY LONG BACK. HE ONLY WANTS ALL THE PLAYERS GIVE THEIR 100 PERCENT. ASK ANIL KUMBLE THE FELLOW FRIEND OF DRAVID ABOUT SACHIN. IF HE SAYS A SINGLE WORD ABOUT SACHIN LIKE WHAT YOU DISCUSS HERE I WILL AGREE. DO YOU KNOW SACHIN ASKED VENGSARKAR IN MUMBAI MATCH AS WELL TO GIVE ONE MORE TOUR OFFER TO DRAVID AS HE FELT BAD FOR OMMISSION THAT TOO NOT INFORMING HIM. SACHIN LIKES DRAVID MOST THAN ANYONE IN THE TEAM. AT TIMES HE REGARDS HIM AS CRICKET DICTIONARY OF BATSMAN. DONT BLAME SACHIN FOR DRAVID'S PROBLEM.
Shastri may be correct in his assertion that seniors must be rested. But, how do you go about it? By humiliating them? As Chairman of Selectors, is it not Vengsarkar's duty to take the seniors in to confidence and make it very clear to all the seniors that they will be rested on a rotation basis? And, they should have started with Tendulkar. He is the senior most and has told recently that his body is taking more time to recover after each one dayer. But, Vengsarkar's sound bytes to the media makes it very clear that he is after Dravid and Dravid alone and is out to humiliate him. Otherwise, what is the need to say Dravid should improve his form and fitness? Fitness-wise, of the three seniors, Dravid is the fittest. Dravid's resignation from the captaincy, followed by his poor run of scores and the ouster clearly suggests that there is more than that meets the eye and Vengsarkar is the culprit in this political game. Anyday, the fans would prefer to have Dravid than a drunk (with power...) Vengsarkar!
RE:But why only Dravid?
by damodaran mohan on Oct 30, 2007 12:10 PM
fully agreed that this is not the way going about it and atleast the selectors should be more transparent and communicative about it. deliberate slighting of Dravid at somebodys behest? the colonel has been issuing contradicting statements right from the day he took over regarding fresh talents, composition of the team etc. that finally resulted in that WC disaster. now the media is linking selection to group sponsorship angle relating to his syndicated colums. BCCI should clarify on the matter in view of the massive criticism from biggest names from indian cricket. increasingly the perception going round is that his actions relating to team selections are becoming more and more arbitrary reminiscent of Dalmia-Ganguly days.
RE:But why only Dravid?
by kaushik saha on Oct 30, 2007 01:51 PM
very arbitrary. the dalmiya-ganguly-wright days produced pathetic players like yuvraj, sehwag, bhajji,zaheer, pathan evena 3rd rate player like dhoni was identified the pathetic yuvi can't hit more than 6 sixes in an over, sehwag can hit only 1 test 300 bhajji and pathan can manage only 1 hattrick apiece zaheer is a poor galli bowler and dhoni cant hit more tha 183
now look at the superb selection during more - chappell-dravid era raina - the next hayden jp yadav - only kallis can come close munaf - superbly fit, excellent fielder and many many young players whose names everybody, even an 80 yr old granny can remember
lets see selection in vengsarkar-dhoni's time rohit sharma -crap (only capable of 50s when team needs tham) praveen kumar - a nobody (only managed to take max wickets in a tourney where people like sreesanth (india's answer to allan donald) are present
so in face of crticism by players like sanjay manjrekar (greatest test opener , 100 in 442 balls against zimbabwe in their debut test, better than vinoo mankad or sunil gavaskar) and sandeep patil (no words about him, no indian cricketer comes close to his achievements)bcci should take corrective action - because people from dravid's home state (with a clear line of thought, as seen in these columns in the past few days) are perceiving foul play they shud select nobody above the vindhyas -then only we can call it an unbiased selection- the true indian team
RE:But why only Dravid?
by damodaran mohan on Oct 30, 2007 05:19 PM
not totallyy correct. Dhoni was in fact delayed by at least over two yrs. only Bedi& Madan Lal used to highlight his case but without much success and even few deserving youngsters careers cut short .main thing was Dravid,sachin and Laxman were at their batting best during that period so saurav could give sufficient chance to talented players like sehwag&yuvi .no one denies it.
RE:But why only Dravid?
by indira on Oct 30, 2007 12:43 PM
You are right. But Shastri should have the guts to say that along with Dravid, Sachin and Saurav should also ahve been rested fot the ODI series against Pakistan.Why mention only Dravid? Since we go to Australia next month it would have been wiser if all the 3 senoirs are given a break so that they can be fresh for the Aussie tour. The seniors will have to be in the team for Down Under as they are experienced and they will definitely get selected.At least the selectors can try new faces like Badrinath, Tiwari and others in the home series against Pakistan. Playing at home will give them confidence. You cannot select them all of a sudden for a tough tour like Australia. Every one can not be Sachin to take the cricket world by storm as he did as a 16 ye old. The new comers need time to get adjusted and should be exposed against bowlers like Akhthar before being selected for Aussie tour. The best strategy would have been to give rest to the seniors and try as many youngsters as possble in the home series against Pakistan before selecting the team for Australia
RE:But why only Dravid?
by SURYAPRAKASH TATA on Oct 30, 2007 11:58 AM
VENGSARKAR REMIND US WHAT SELECTORS DID TO HIM BEFORE HE CALLED IT A DAY, NOW HE IS DOING THE SAME TO DRAVID. REMEMBER HOW SELECTORS INSULTED VENGSARKAR BEFORE HIS RETIREMENT, HE IS CAPTAIN AND HE LOST CAPTAINCY AND PLACE AT ONCE.
Shastri should have the guts to say that along with Dravid, Sachin and Saurav should also ahve been rested fot the ODI series against Pakistan.Why mention only Dravid? Since we go to Australia next month it would have been wiser if all the 3 senoirs are given a break so that they can be fresh for the Aussie tour. The seniors will have to be in the team for Down Under as they are experienced and they will definitely get selected.At least the selectors can try new faces like Badrinath, Tiwari and others in the home series against Pakistan. Playing at home will give them confidence. You cannot select them all of a sudden for a tough tour like Australia. Every one can not be Sachin to take the cricket world by storm as he did as a 16 ye old. The new comers need time to get adjusted and should be exposed against bowlers like Akhthar before being selected for Aussie tour. The best strategy would have been to give rest to the seniors and try as many youngsters as possble in the home series against Pakistan before selecting the team for Australia
If Vengsarkar, Tendulkar, Rohit Sharma, Agarkar, Powar, Pawar,Zaheer and Jaffer are dropped, Indian cricket will boom. India is going down because of politics. Who wants politicians in cricket?
Ravi Shastri says that India will need Dravid in Australia ..... meaning .... we can beat Pakistan in India without Dravid ?
After all Vengsarkar says that he has selected "winning team"
Vengsarkar says Dravid is one dimensional.
Now Dravid has scored centuries in all positions in ODIs from 1 to 6. But he is one dimensional ...
Dravid has taken nearly 200 catches in ODIs. But per Vengsarkar he does not add value to the team in ODIs.
Dravid has scored 10585 runs with 93 innings of 50 , meaning a 50 every 3 innings, but this does not add value to the team.
Dravid has kept wickets so that we could play an extra bat or bowler, but Dravid is one dimensional.
But, dear Vengsarkar, Sachin insists on opening the innings and is very petulant when asked to play in middle-order, does that not make Sachin one-dimensional?
Dravid has been consistent for 7 years and he has a poor run in 10 ODIs, mind you 10 ODIs, just 10 ODIs and wham, he is "rested" by Vengsarkar.
Why did Dravid resign as captain ?
Vengsarkar appointed Tendulkar as vice-captain and consistently spoke of Tendulkar as the future captain, and Tendulkar was a voice in the team management and Vengsarkar used to accompany the Team and Dravid was never allowed to take his decisions.
But, I forget, Rahul is one-dimensional and does not add value to this team.
RE:Vengsarkar, Shastri commenting on Rahul Dravid is a joke
by ralph nader on Oct 30, 2007 11:42 AM
you are right--whoever heard of VC in home series and when asked this idiot vengsarkar said that dravid was not informed. Even as recent as the last one dayer versus australia he said team would be selected by dhoni(overated) Yuvraj(inconsistent) and sachin tendular(master manipulator)--why was sachin in taem mgmt? who gave authority?
RE:RE:Vengsarkar, Shastri commenting on Rahul Dravid is a joke
by karan on Oct 30, 2007 01:41 PM
As long as Colonel is the Chairman of Selectors,Sachin has to be his deputy.Hence preside over team meetings!
RE:Vengsarkar, Shastri commenting on Rahul Dravid is a joke
by kaushik saha on Oct 30, 2007 08:53 PM
whether India can beat pakistan w/o dravid, only time can tell dravid never scored century in odis as opener, he did that in a test in pakistan nearly 200 catche sin odis - nobody, absolutely nobody has dravid has 83 50s, not 93(if u count his 100s too, then its ok) dravid himself said once his odi batting improved cos he could gauge the movement of the ball as wicketkeeper - and yes at that point of time, he was going thru a lean patch - not being WK might have seen him being "rested" sachin one-dimensional? 153 wickets dont come from nowhere dude, leave alone his fielding capabilities as far as vice captaincy concerned, dravid was vc every time india played in india under ganguly's captaincy, does that mean ganguly was pressurized? exactly, why did dravid resign a scaptain just before an australia series? why not earlier, or later? and the captain cant be a one man army - theres a vc, the coach, the manager, and in some cases, senior players -this has been the case when azhar, kapil, sachin , jadeja were captain too dravid wud have been given a run if he were a youngster even ganguly can be dropped if he doesnt perform and u forget that sachin started off as number 7, enjoying considerable success there and u definitely forget that sachin was forced to bat at 4 too, to accomodate whom? sehwag, even pathan as opener - all this done when? when there was no vengsarkar, but a great trio of chappell-more and dravid
