hey bongs ... why u ppl always treat urself as non-indians ... even pathan was thrown out with veeru after they didnt perform ... very easy to say that bose n party shud getta chance ... but tell who shall be left behind from the current squad ... i really appreciate the way my fav capt. DADA came back in national side ... almost slapping MORE n CHAPPEL n DRAVID ... let this be the criteria ... perform n come ... hey please stop being bongs (only) ... rather try to be indians (only)
Overs Bowled: Around 27 Runs Conceded: Around 100 Wickets Taken: 03
Sourav Sarkar:
Overs: Around 35 Runs Conceded: Around 130 Wickets Taken: 05
Zahir:
Overs: Around 35 Runs Conceded: Around 160 Wickets Taken: 09
Ranadeb Bose:
Overs: Around 55 Runs Conceded: Around 150 Wickets Taken: 09
Agarkar/Sarkar = Almost same average = 3.7 Runs Per over Zahir = 4.5 Runs Per over for 09 wickets Ranadeb = 2.7 Runs Per over for 09 wickets
Yet Agarkar and Zahir Khan find place in the national side; and Ranadeb & Sarkar not (the unsung heros); Funny part is the selectors do not have the records of Ranadeb at all. Hats Off.
* Details derived from the Rediff Score card. I am sorry if I am wrong in conveying the numbers (Courtesy Rediff).
However, this does not mean that Mumbai has not played well. I wholeheartedly convey my congrats for winning the record 37th Ranji title. Congrats Mumbai Anand Vardhan, Hyderabad (necessarily Hyderabadi - not a bengali)
Overs Bowled: Around 27 Runs Conceded: Around 100 Wickets Taken: 03
Sourav Sarkar:
Overs: Around 35 Runs Conceded: Around 130 Wickets Taken: 05
Zahir:
Overs: Around 35 Runs Conceded: Around 160 Wickets Taken: 09
Ranadeb Bose:
Overs: Around 55 Runs Conceded: Around 150 Wickets Taken: 09
Agarkar/Sarkar = Almost same average = 3.7 Runs Per over Zahir = 4.5 Runs Per over for 09 wickets Ranadeb = 2.7 Runs Per over for 09 wickets
Yet Agarkar and Zahir Khan find place in the national side; and Ranadeb & Sarkar not (the unsung heros); Funny part is the selectors do not have the records of Ranadeb at all. Hats Off.
* Details derived from the Rediff Score card. I am sorry if I am wrong in conveying the numbers (Courtesy Rediff).
However, this does not mean that Mumbai has not played well. I wholeheartedly convey my congrats for winning the record 37th Ranji title. Congrats Mumbai Anand Vardhan, Hyderabad (necessarily Hyderabadi - not a bengali)
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 06, 2007 12:13 PM
Aha... That's interesting, but not entirely watertight. The agarkar/sarkar comparison is fair, but not the Zaheer/Ranadeb comparison. Zaheer bowled 20 less overs to take the same number of wickets as Ranadeb. That is significant. In other words, Zaheer's strike rate is much higher. Most captains would willingly take a bowler who picks wickets regularly, even if he is slightly more expensive. It ensures that the tail is exposed quickly, and hence you may go for more runs per over, but the total number of overs that are bowled by your team are much much less, amortizing the effect. That's probably why agarkar is picked. (He can get too expensive when he doesnt pick wickets, granted. A bit like a bowling version of sehwag in the consistency department). So, Zaheer was the significantly better bowler. Also, since Bombay was in a commanding position, I would expect them to have set very attacking fields (I didnt see the match) and hence bowlers can get expensive. (Remember VVS & Dravid's partnership at Eden Gardens vs the aussies?)
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by anand kumar on Feb 06, 2007 12:34 PM
Dear MDM I have never said Agarkar or Zahir should not be in the team. My intention is why a performer on par with these two is not considered. No matter whether it is Munaf/srisanth/vrv/ joginder / RANADEB or anybody. In fact I have been informed by one of the co-readers here on rediff that ranadeb has palyed 50 plus first class matches, with around 200 wickets at an economy rate of 27. And i am told that he had never bowled a no ball in his entire career. I still am confused as to how his records are not available with the selecters and if they can select younger players (with 1-2 better matches) why cant he? I have no doubts over Zahir's ability and never questioned too. In fact I am a big big fan of both zahir and irfan (after kapil).
RE:RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 06, 2007 03:05 PM
Well, my point are that the analysis of the stats was flawed. As to why Ranadeb is not yet in the side, my guess is that they dont want to blood inexperienced bowlers so close to the WC. Bowling in the death and the powerplays is high pressure and I guess we dont know how ranadeb shapes up against that. Add to the fact that he will be nervous during his international debut. All in all, it makes little sense to pick new players so close. Joginder Singh shouldnt have been picked either. There's always the unknown factor with a new player. With agarkar, you know he will be expensive but may get you wickets. That's a gamble the captain will take if the situation demands it. Will dravid know Ranadeb's game as well, having hardly played with him? Unlikely. Ergo, the confidence in playing an unknown face is pretty low. I wouldnt compare Zaheer to Ranadeb just yet. In fact, I dont think there is a comparison - Zaheer especially recently is much better. There are places up for grabs in the fast bowling department for India, as have always been. Zaheer selects himself on current form, Sreesanth in tests and Agarkar in ODIs. There is an additional bowling slot which will be a contest between Pathan, Patel, VRV and anyone else who can prove himself, which includes Bose. He'll just have to wait until the world cup ends. Now, if all 3 bowlers click, Bose is outta luck. (Or if India wins the world cup :))
Overs Bowled: Around 27 Runs Conceded: Around 100 Wickets Taken: 03
Sourav Sarkar:
Overs: Around 35 Runs Conceded: Around 130 Wickets Taken: 05
Zahir:
Overs: Around 35 Runs Conceded: Around 160 Wickets Taken: 09
Ranadeb Bose:
Overs: Around 55 Runs Conceded: Around 150 Wickets Taken: 09
Agarkar/Sarkar = Almost same average = 3.7 Runs Per over Zahir = 4.5 Runs Per over for 09 wickets Ranadeb = 2.7 Runs Per over for 09 wickets
Yet Agarkar and Zahir Khan find place in the national side; and Ranadeb & Sarkar not; Funny part is the selectors do not have the records of Ranadeb at all. Hats Off.
* Details derived from the Rediff Score card. I am sorry if I am wrong in conveying the numbers (Courtesy Rediff).
However, this does not mean that Mumbai has not played well. I wholeheartedly convey my congrats for winning the record 37th Ranji title. Congrats Mumbai
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by debasish chakraborty on Feb 06, 2007 11:49 AM
Thanks. That's an interesting stat. Manoj Tiwari's aggregates and avg. may also provide something similarly 'funny part' of selection procedure.
They are not selected, because there is no one in the team to be replaced, does not hold; there are 15 others has been selected in probably 30 and many of them are complete waste.
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Hasan khan on Feb 06, 2007 12:22 PM
Everyone was singing rohit sharma but what happen, he was unable to bat, bowl & even field in the international arena, this is not domestic & we r selecting team for world cup, u can thing what will happen there if these new face r there
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Hasan khan on Feb 06, 2007 12:21 PM
Everyone was singing rohit sharma but what happen, he was unable to bat, bowl & even field in the international arena, this is not domestic & we r selecting team for world cup, u can thing what will happen there if these new face r there
Mumbani was the better team and won. Bengal's pathetic batting in 1st innings, some near misses in fielding cost them the match. About two top performers in Ranji - Bose and Tiwari was not even considered, proved that performance in domestic cricket is not everything, actually it is a small part probably. How comes V.R.V. got chance? Just because he hit Ganguly's helmet once and More and Chappell fall in love with him. One can easily guess what will happen to Bose and Tewari - when they are little bit out of touch they will be given a chance in a not so favoruable condition and after one failure will be dumped (remember Ganguly's first term in Intl cricket and then 5 years in exile?). Bose will be finished by that time and Tewari will become one of those high scoring batsman in domestic cricket who never get selected ("we given him a chance but he could not score a triple century, what else we can do" - selector).
RE:Domestic cricket and selection process
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 06, 2007 12:20 PM
Be rest assured Debasish, there are many other good batsmen from various teams who never got a chance. Even some bombay players like muzumdar many yrs ago when he was in top form. The issue is that to get picked for India as a batsman would mean displacing the big 3 in the middle order. Hence Sehwag had to be accomodated as an opener and he did a fine job of it for some time. People like Raina are also picked as a stop gap arrangement. As soon as Yuvraj is fit, he gets dropped. Remember Hemang Badani? Where did he disappear? He did quite well in all the opportunities that were afforded to him and yet he got dropped because Ganguly and the selectors favoured Mongia. VRV is too raw. He got picked because he had pace, that was it. He is too erratic...
RE:RE:Domestic cricket and selection process
by debasish chakraborty on Feb 06, 2007 12:53 PM
Thanks for your comments and I agree with you.
I am not saying that there is favortism (there is though), but it s a general case and both Bose and Tiwari may become a victim of it. At the same time it is also undeniable that some players get an early break and tried for little longer than some others and it may not have any direct link with their talent. As you have mentioned the case of Amol Mazumdar, he was not given opportunity when he was in top form, now he seems gave up hope of playing in national team and performing just above average. My point is if a player like VRV can be selected, even if it for a short period just to test how good (or bad) he is, then why not some others as well. Because it will give a wrong signal to the players who are trying to break into the national side, that performance in domestic cricket may not be the only crietera to play in the big league.
RE:RE:RE:Domestic cricket and selection process
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 06, 2007 03:25 PM
VRV was selected because people thought he will be our next Ntini. Ah well... Now, if Ranadeb had to be picked, it should have been done months ago. Now is too late, with just 2 games to go for the world cup. He'll just have to wait until after the competition. There is favouritism... regional or otherwise. Ganguly never indulged in regional favouritism, but he had his favourites for sure. Sometimes, like in the case of Harbhajan, it worked. Sometimes, like in the case of Mongia and Parthiv Patel, it didnt. Yuvraj too was retained even after continuous failures at the expense of Kaif, who was in better form then (~2-3 yrs ago) in tests, because Ganguly favoured Yuvraj. Dravid favours Kumble (plus kumble has performed well) over bajji in tests. Every captain does it. This happens in companies too... the boss is more likely to promote an employee with whom he gets along (not necessarily chamcha, just gets along well) than someone else who has equal talent. Perhaps the management/selectors felt that India lacked a fast bowler and hence VRV was picked. Ranadeb will have to keep performing and hope that there is a slot for him in the bowling dept, because if there is, I think he will get picked.
Congrats to all Mooms from a Bong. Mumbai total 320 290=610 Bengal total 143 339=482 Ratiowise 4:3.16 Four Mumbai players are already in the national circuit Tendulkar, Agarkar,Zaheer and Powar. Only one player from Bengal Saurav. Time now for Ranadev Bose and Monoj Tewari to play in the national circuit. We shall say then Vengsarkar Ha Ha. Otherwise ..... Saurav is great. Discarded like a torn shoe by More and Chappel how he came back! I salute him with rest of the nation. Time now for Ranadev and Manoj. If you can give chance to Patels and Rainas and Joginders, what is the harm with Ranadev and Manoj?
congratulations to mumbai for another feather in their cap . Bengal team played well deserves praise specially manoj Tiwari &Ranadeb Bose, who are the chief pillars of Bengal team
Lame excuses are showered to keep the real budding talents out. Only fear perhaps, if they get chance they will block places and won't give selectors freedom to chose and play the game of favouritism. Let the merits take a back seat. Let the talents go astray! Fine very fine. Ha Ha!
RE:Ha! Ha! Hai! Hai!
by Bala Natarajan on Feb 06, 2007 06:29 AM
Indra, come to earth and then comment. Are you talking about West Bengal team? Learn to appreciate the sucess of others also.
RE:RE:Ha! Ha! Hai! Hai!
by Dan Lewis on Feb 06, 2007 10:12 AM
Think beyond the border.We are all welcome within the border of India let that be Bengal or South India.Whatch u think?
RE:RE:Ha! Ha! Hai! Hai!
by tushar paul on Feb 06, 2007 05:22 PM
every body is appreciating the mistake.But they dont want to stop repeating it.Madrasi is biased there is no doubt
Brilliant fight by Bengal Tigers. But finally great display of batting by Manoj Tiwari and Southpaw Sourav Ganguly goes in vein. I think poor batting performance in 1st inning proved to be an Achillies Heel for Bengal. Master is back with Ten X Ten again under his belt. That's why his name is Tendulkar. Positives one can draw from this match is Key Players of Indian National team are ready to Hit. Best of Luck Men In Blue for WC-2007
