Fully agree with Rajput. Good points. I want to add one more - dropping or telling some senior players to take it easy played a major role in our T20 victory
BCCI found a suitable 'bakra' in the form of Kirsten, you are late in applying for the post. Kirsten is one damn lucky man, just for talking to media he is going to paid lots and lots of money.
RE:sorry Rajput
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 07:49 PM
Who is the 'bakra'. I think Kirsten found the suitable 'bakra' in the form of BCCI dear. He must have seen Venky,Robin Singh and Lalchand Rajput looting money effortlessly.
RE:sorry Rajput
by cynic on Dec 18, 2007 07:54 PM
well you are right, but BCCI had to appoint somebody I mean bakra as the coach. Obviously coach has no role in the success or failure of a team. He is simply going to sleep through his coaching years like how John Wright did. If team succeeds he gets good name, if it fails he will pin the blame on lack of pace bowlers, lack of good fielding standards etc. It is a great position to be in.
in india everybody thinks he can do that job if he given a chance. prime minister, president, coach, captian , film hero etc. it is easy to say that ' We can do' but it is not as easy as we think. i played tennis ball cricket in gully. still we experience the presuare there also. then why not in international level. we think we can become a hero but on staage it is not possible. even in our house we ar zeero then what to say......!. so stop criticizing our heros . we have entertainment from cricket. yes defet hurts but our critics can't do anything, if they wins we enjoy , if they loose we start to critize. after all this is game. see west indies, see england, see south africa, one day it's same to australia.
RE:hey be calm
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 07:53 PM
Sorry!!! I'll lose my mind to understand this. My humble advice to all - not to read this, or don't try to understand this
Rajput has given his views well and has made good case for him because for whatever may be the reason, during his tenure the team: 1) appears to be a team 2) no division between seniors and juniors 3) finally they have a very good series with Australia, and even better against Pakisan.
What else can we expect from team India. Now question is : Why did it happen? Is it due to Rajput or how much is due to Rajput?
Rajput should get some credit, because his personality at least did not encourage the division between players which was an on-going saga during the regime of Chappel-Dravid. Things already improved when Dhoni was selected the captain; so one can conclude that personality of Dravid, specially his act as a "chamcha" of Greg was very disappoining and other members of the team did not have respect for his chamcha-giri, and possibly "back-stabbing". He destroyed the team spirit, and his present body language is similar to that of a "thief". He is really unabnle to look at his compatriots and command with respect and loyalty. It all may boil down to his introvertness. From outside, it does not appear that he has any friend whom he can confide besides guru "Greg".
Kumble on the other hand earned the confidence of all players immediately after he was selected as the captain. He protrays the image of honesty, openness, knowledge, trust, work ethics, and his past performance. Although it may have come little bit late, he still accepted with full of grac
RE:Why did India perform well
by Cricket s on Dec 18, 2007 07:57 PM
Yeah yeah....everything was wrong about Greg and Dravid...and everything is perfect about Ganguly.
Dravid and the team would have had a peaceful time if SG had just shutup and proved his worth via domestic tournaments. Instead what did he do? Put pressure via politicians, burning effugies and having media to make this an issue and tried his best to get into the team via backdoor. Indeed he did get into the team via backdoor. How do you think SG played in 2005 as an all-rounder? Before selection meeting, there is call from some top guy in Delhi. All these are total non-sense. Ask SG what he wants to do after retirement...he wants to go into politics.
Ask Dalmiya....he will tell you how SG dumped (back-stabbed) him (oh ...you think SG was not a chamcha of Dalmiya????...otherwise SG would have been gone off from the team a longtime back. Do you know that Wright wanted SG out of the team???).
RE:Why did India perform well
by Annwoy Ghatak on Dec 18, 2007 08:30 PM
I went through all the comments. Looks like people decided to attack Bengalis if anyone criticize SG. Does he still belong to Bengal only after playing so many years for India ? This must be stopped. We have right to criticize SG,Dravid or Sachin but not at the name of Bengal,Karnatak or Mumbai.
Greg Chappel tried to ruin Team India at his best under the umbrella of some poor politicians from BCCI. There no point of blaming Dravid alone.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 08:36 PM
No one is like Guru Greg...stop abusing him. He is the only man who could take Indian Cricket to the top, but u people restrained him to do so.
RE:RE:Why did India perform well
by Mukhtar Ali on Dec 18, 2007 10:29 PM
Yes.Guru Greg led Indian team out of qualifying round of WC.He wanted to experiment on Indians like guinny pigs.Cannot try his expts on Australians
RE:RE:Why did India perform well
by Susobhan Ghosh on Dec 18, 2007 08:33 PM
To you all who only think of regionalism whenever a comment is put forward by a Bengali, I urge you to read carefully. In my comments, I praise Kumble, Dhoni. Rajput to the extent they deserve, and I did not mention Ganguly by name at all. since your are bringing Ganguli issue, I must say that without Vengsarkar's interference and wise decision, Ganguly would still be out of the team. But if you see his performance since he got back to the team by hard work and patience, and now not only he got the man of the match, but also man of the series award. Did he get those award because of some MP or for that matter because CM or Dalmiya? People always compain about Ganguly, Tendulkar, and Drafvid's form because when they do that they compare these guys with their best form, and not with those talents that ar given chances or knocking the door to get a chance.
Please think rationally. Yes I like Ganguly because of his aggresiveness, appreciation of good talents (such as Sehwag, Yuvi, Bhajji, Sreenath, Nehra,...), and finally his contribution to the team India by his runs,wickets, and leadership less his fielding. But I also respect the talent of T'kar, Dravid, Laxman, Uthappa, Sreesanth, Dhoni, Yuvi, ..
RE:RE:RE:Why did India perform well
by Cricket s on Dec 18, 2007 09:03 PM
People are exactly getting back to you seem to think Ganguly is a Saint. He is not. He played a lot of politics and the team was divided towards end of his captaincy. On the performances side, SG was playing poorly over an extended period of time. He deserved a time-off in 2005. What is wrong in Greg telling SG to give up captaincy and focus on batting? That is his personal opinion and why did SG take that issue to public. That affected our team a lot. Only a selfish politician would do something like that. Just to let you know, a lot of players in our team lack basic ethics. I don%u2019t even want to name them.
FYI %u2013 Vensarkar and Ganguly are associated with the same agency. Plus pressure from politicians and poor performances from middle order batsmen helped SG to get in to the team. He did not get back to the team based on merit. Can you deny it?
Aggressiveness can be external or internal. Ganguly shows it out and some people just don%u2019t. Federer, Shampras, Borg and Edberg never showed their aggressiveness...All of them were champion players. McEnroe showed his aggressiveness. He was a champion player too.
At the end of day, it does not matter if SG or RD or SRT is in the team or not. Cricket was there before them and Cricket will do well after them. When it is time to move on%u2026we have to move on%u2026..instead of burning effigies.
RE:Why did India perform well
by ravi ranajn on Dec 18, 2007 10:54 PM
Dada has been performing well since his come back but from 2002 to 2005 he was in team only because of his captaincy. As long as India was winning, people used to forget his batting. Plus any significant loss of average against good teams was made up against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. In ODIs too, there are always 25% matches with weaker opposition. Check out his WC 2003 performance- overall average lloks good, but quality of result is pretty bad.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Why Care on Dec 19, 2007 11:43 AM
Cricket S- anything you wanna offer as proof to substantiate your claims against Saurav?
I can refute one of your bull craps right away- Ganguly's comeback into the team was not made possible by way of political pressure. He was recalled cuz of India's deplorable performance in the ODIs in SA. And ended up as best performer for India in the test series, in case you've forgotten or don't wish to remember.
World Cup loss was also because of the stupid format, whereby if one team had one bad day, then they're out. That's what happened with both India and Pak. The format had a lot of room for fluke wins at the expense of good teams getting out early in the competition.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Annwoy Ghatak on Dec 19, 2007 02:36 AM
Can someone define contribution as a Captain Vs a fantastic performer like Dravid ?
The reason I asked this ..looks like SG's contribution as a captained was never being counted.
To me to lead a team like India where cricketers come from different parts of the country with different language, rituals is THE TOUGHEST job. I would say SG did fairly well between 2002-2005 which we must count while critisizing someone.He is probably the first captain who didn't try to push his own state's players and did fair amount of support to all his juniors when they ran out of form or in some sort of trouble.
To me SG is still an excellent player in Indian Sub-continent but a wonderful leader/captain even today (might heart some friends!).
RE:Why did India perform well
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 07:39 PM
If I'm not wrong, u r trying to say that Rajput is good manager rather than coach. But Rajput wants to become coach..he is crying for it.Does he really deserve to become the coach of the present team ? I'm sorry it's big boys team. Rajput is kidding.......
RE:Why did India perform well
by Susobhan Ghosh on Dec 18, 2007 07:33 PM
Could not complete because of space limit. Continiued ... Kumble accepted the captaincy with full grace, and that is what we need from a captain of team India. One should remember that he is the most intelligent person in the team, and by his proessional training as engineer, he can use his logical and analytical mind together for the team.
Rajput on the other did his job admirably under the conditions of the team, and the results (do not call it a fluke) speak for itselves. But BCCI (conglomerate of bunch of politicaians) somehow prefers a foreign coach (even if he does not have any coaching experience) to that of a local coach, because they can handle him easier by paying him a bunch of green bucks. Unless fans wake up vilently, God helps BCCI and the clowns at the helms.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Chris on Dec 18, 2007 07:53 PM
Sometimes it is difficult to see the mistakes of those you are close to. People fom a certain state in the Eastern part of India can never see any mistakes of the one cricket icon of their state. They never saw the deterioration in his batting, his lack of courage when he chickened out at Nagpur against the Aussies, his bad treatment of people like Venkatesh Prasad, Mohanty, Sunil Joshi, S.S.Das, Sadagopan Ramesh, Akash Chopra and several others. In the World Cup, Dravid's efforts were sabotaged from within. And let us just say that there were several people responsible. Easy to blame coach and captain. The people from that state can never ever think of INDIA. Their vision is narrow and sectarian. The people from Rahul's state cheered this icon even when those from his state consider Rahul his enemy. Dravid is a man of honour and not a chamcha loving gent such as you know who. This guy is lucky that Kumble is the test captain. Because I am INDIAN and not a regional guy, I will still cheer this gent in Australia. Let's hope he does well, as also the rest of the team.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Susobhan Ghosh on Dec 18, 2007 08:22 PM
If he was sabotaged from within, there mus be group of players - does it mean Dravid did not have the support of the team. Does it mean that Dravid did not earn the respect of the team members? Does it translate to the selecting Dravid as a captain of a team was not a good decision? On the other hand both Dhoni and Kumble was immediately given the support they need. Does it tell something!!!
RE:RE:Why did India perform well
by Cricket s on Dec 18, 2007 09:07 PM
Oh you dont know that. Way back in 2005 (in SL), your man SG arrived in SL a bit late. As soon as he landed he acted as a captain (Dravid was the captain then). Don't you know that SG is a big politician and obviously you will see groupism. Way back in 2002, it was reporeted that players were encourged join the same agency as SG.
So what happened after world cup? SG was dropped for the one-day series in B'desh. A strong message was sent out.
So how did Dhoni get support? thankfully...SG did not go to T20 WC. India won the cup...what other choice SG has now?
If SG is a true team members, he should have opened batting in test matches a long time back instead of telling others to open the batting.
RE:RE:Why did India perform well
by Cricket s on Dec 18, 2007 08:00 PM
Very well said. Whoever was SG's competition, he was asked to open the batting and then dumkped. example - Yuvraj.
Ask Kaif on how he was dumped in Zim inspite of his wonderful performences before start of the test series
RE:Why did India perform well
by Sanjay Balakrishnan on Dec 18, 2007 07:56 PM
Spoken like a true Bengali...specifically your comments on Dravid....Pathetic fellow you are!
RE:Why did India perform well
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 08:11 PM
That's true he has spoken like a bong, but he has told the right thing about Dravid. Actually u people r so biased about southies that u can't tolerate a single word against the players from south.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Cricket s on Dec 18, 2007 08:19 PM
Dravid is not a southie, thou he lives in the south. FYI - he is a mahrashtrian. FYI - no southerner is fanatic about Dravid or burning effigies or calling politicians to represent that player. There are many southern players who have been treated badly that include legends like VVS, Venkat, and GRV. No one was and will burn effigies.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 08:25 PM
Again u r giving examples of players from south only who have been ill treated. Why can't u name the persons from other part of the country as well???..u r proving yourself and your reply is evident of what I'm saying
RE:Why did India perform well
by Cricket s on Dec 18, 2007 08:53 PM
"Actually u people r so biased about southies that u can't tolerate a single word against the players from south."
I was just replying to your 'bongish' statement.
If you want to know who was the player who was treated the worst since I have followed Cricket --- 1. Mohinder Amarnath and quickly followed by 2. Venkatraghavan.
RE:Why did India perform well
by Mukhtar Ali on Dec 18, 2007 10:25 PM
Dravid was a puppet of Chappel.Infact Chappel was the Pied Piper and both Dravid and More danced and followed the tune
Least to say that the Indian team is tasting a fair amount of success at present does not make it that Lalchand rajput is the reason for this...what wud happen if the team failed then, wud he take the blame, im sure he is human and wud look for a scape goat to be made the black sheep for the debacle...cmon Lalchand...just grow up
RE:Lalchand shud not be over smart
by Gabbar Singh on Dec 18, 2007 07:04 PM
Strongly agree with u. The present BCCI body and the people around it are shameless opportunists like lalchand rajput.
I don%u2019t under stand whats wrong with Krish,Ravi .Kapil,Sunil,Sandip Mohinder they all capable guys why ICC ignoring this Guys Even Lalchand Rajput is also capable to handle Indian team coaching results are in front of us 20-20 WC won by India
I don%u2019t under stand why again Mr. Garry what is so special about him
MY Question to Mr. Sharad Pawar is HE left the congress party because he was not accepting Ms. Soniya Gandhi as a PM of India because She is not INDIAN Can he Answer why he is in favor of International coach for Indian Team not a Indian coach
He wants to earn money like his other collegues e.g., Robin Singh, Venky who are making easy money without any effort. This is a poor treatment with Rajput.
ya his is dame good coach.. there is no doubt. He has successfully mixed with seniors and plotted good stuff against australia and pak. Not to mention his acumen when we won the T20 WC..
RE:yaa
by bhupendra meena on Dec 18, 2007 07:58 PM
Let see what happens in Australian Tour...then tell....All Credit goes to...Lal Chand..for L...ing!!!
