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Those who thinks Kumble is greater than Kapil must think twice before making such silly comments. Kapil Dev is the only cricketer in the world who has the record of more than 400 test wickets and more than 5000 test runs. Kapil was the bowler brought momentum in the game during 80s and 90s.
Kapil and Kumble bat in the same positio at 7. Kapil has many centuries, Kumble's only one at his Sun-set. Kapil saved many matches (and follow on) taking tail-enders...., how many such records kumble has? How do you forget match saving follow on by Kapil hitting 27 in an over against Eddie Hemings in England? Is there any such example Kumble showed in his whole career? Think how Kapil mamaged 1983 world cup for India. Does Kumble have 1% of that tempo in him?
Had Kapil not borned in India, he would have 600 test wickets in his pocket. That's the opinion of many cricket greats (inclduing Alan Boarder, Graham Gooch, David Boon, Viv Richards etc...).
RE:Kapil Vs. Kumble
by mohan br on Aug 11, 2007 01:45 PM
Why are you comparing Kumble with Kapil. Both are great players. Both have contributed to the Indain cause. Kapil won the world cup for us. We are proud of that. Kumble has won several matches for us., We are proud of that too. Be a good sports lover, instead of wasting time on unnecessary comments on the net. Your's is one serious case " paralysis by analysis"
RE:Kapil Vs. Kumble
by RR on Aug 11, 2007 03:31 PM
Kumble is a better bowler in thin margin to Kapil. Kapil may be far ahead as ab bowler till his peak but Kumble is maturing like old wine with age. Kapil was better batsman no doubt. Unfair to compare these two greats.
RE:Kapil Vs. Kumble
by ThiruvazhiAnnan Elayalvar on Aug 11, 2007 12:59 PM
Are Bhai! 1983 World Cup beating West Indies is a sheer Luck and came as a gift by GoD! NOt only Kapil Dev but also no body is chiefly responsible for it. Also if Kumble not born in India he would have got more than 1000 wickets! We can say so many things! Do not waste time and go by haste!
Jambo has proof that Age is not important in cricket. if you have strength you can do it in any age. But Jambo YOU R REALLY GREAT. We have no word to you.
Those who thinks Kumble is greater than Kapil must think twice before making such silly comments. Kapil Dev is the only cricketer in the world who has the record of more than 400 test wickets and more than 5000 test runs. Kapil and Kumble bat in the same positio at 7. Kapil has many centuries. Kapil saved many matches (and follow on) taking tail-enders.... How do you forget match saving follow on by Kapil hitting 27 in an over against Eddie Hemings in England?
Had Kapil not borned in India, he would have 600 test wickets in his pocket. That's the opinion of many cricket greats.
RE:Kapil Vs. Kumble
by savior on Aug 11, 2007 09:38 AM
I am not belittling Kapil, but Kumble batted at no.8. Kapils average tests per wicket is just around 3 whereas Kumble is around 5. You cant compare just on the basis of a few innings here and there, you have to consider the statistics. Kumble has won more matches single handedly than any other Indian cricketer
RE:Kapil Vs. Kumble
by Final Moderator on Aug 11, 2007 10:04 AM
all the matches he won are in india - that is the most. on spin friendly wickets. and on worn wickets. and only with old ball.
kapils contribution is not limited - it was with old and new both - balls. on any tracks. his most wickets were on slow pitches.
all said - both were good. i think they should not be compared. but if anybody says kumble is greater - they are not considering all facts
For us Indians Chappel bashing after the World Cup debacle along with his so called Chamcha Dravid became an easy option.Foreign coach was bad hence we lost.This was utter nonsense.Today it stands disproved.India is doing well after Chappel left is the new refrain.Again off the truth.Who promoted Karthik?Chappel.Has it not paid off?Ganguly got hit because of Dalmiya politics and Chappel got blamed.The reality is that after his lesson Ganguly is a much better batsman today.The new look Indian pace attack a product of the Chappel era is looking good.I think Chappel's greatest contribution is that he has made us collectively think cricket and not reputations backed by politics.
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by rajarshi banerjee on Aug 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Mr. John, I find it relly very suprising your arguments about Chappel. Who kept on backing Suresh Raina, who destroyed Irfan Pathan almost for good, who messedup Ganguly's future, who backed Sehwag no end till almost the selectors got frustrated.....What is his contribution to the Indian team other than systematically destroying it in 2yrs time. We hit the nadir at the WC 2007. For goodness sake, come out of this servile mentality of bootlicking foreigners.....since the British days...The mentality is still just the same only we are independant now.....Chappel was India's worst ever COACH...Other teams must thank him for iot will take India at least 3-4yrs to come out of the rot which he set in the team..and the kind of mistrust and hate he created among the players. CHAPPEL IS NOT LIKED EVEN in his own HOMELAND OF AUSTRALIA by anyone...Surely, we Indians can stop this feet licking attitude inculcated since British Raj days.....No one can be as divisive and politicised as a coach as he was.....playing to the gallery and talking through the media...more than the proper channel.. the lousiest man manager...one has ever seen. ....The dirty issues about Chappel is endless.......
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by sanjay on Aug 11, 2007 10:08 AM
You are writing many things by imagination. May not be the facts. Ganguly was in terribly bad form when he was dropped. He is now bit improved but still not that complete.
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by rajarshi banerjee on Aug 11, 2007 10:26 AM
Nothing is imagination....what counter arguments can u provide...please illustrate...just replying one line shows...u urself don't have facts to support ur argument.
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by jayasimha on Aug 11, 2007 10:51 AM
before you shoot of nonsensical mail--pls chk which indian state still acts as if they are the britishers! pls also chk ganguly's tarck record 18 months before he lost his captaincy. Blaming others is fool hardy--he incidently is the only captain to inspect pitches and then sit out citing injury--as far as greg making the great sorav lose captaincy read John Wright's book and see what he has to say on the subject. Stop being parochial, be indian--nobody is to blame for ganguly's fate except himself --along with his godfather jagmohan dalmiya. Do you want any more information?
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by karteik kotagiri on Aug 11, 2007 11:14 AM
india performed well in this tournament mostly due to zaheer khan and kumble. these guys are not products of chappel. And chappel destroyed irfan, backed sehwag and raina uselessly. The best coach india had was ajit wadekar. when it comes to no of matches won out of no of matches played, wadekars ratio was 58%, whereas chappels and john wrights was 52% and 53% respectively according to statitics.
RE:RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by karteik kotagiri on Aug 11, 2007 11:14 AM
india performed well in this tournament mostly due to zaheer khan and kumble. these guys are not products of chappel. And chappel destroyed irfan, backed sehwag and raina uselessly. The best coach india had was ajit wadekar. when it comes to no of matches won out of no of matches played, wadekars ratio was 58%, whereas chappels and john wrights was 52% and 53% respectively according to statitics.
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by Ifear paceman on Aug 11, 2007 11:34 AM
any way times are different. Earlier Shri Lanka was minnows in test arena, now Bangla desh and Zimbabwe.
This stastics never takes into consideration quality of opposition.
RE:RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by John Bosco on Aug 11, 2007 11:42 AM
Suresh Raina is a great talent and there is nothing wrong in backing him.He has had an injury and before that lost his consistency.But he is still a great talent just like Karthik.As for Sehwag giving him a longer run was in order as he was a matchwinner.Dropping him after a longer run was also ok.Let him sort out the cobwebs like Ganguly did.
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by John Bosco on Aug 11, 2007 11:30 AM
In this series a team effort is seen.No more big personalities.This is what a team shd look like.As for boot licking foreigners etc india has gone global,nobody is in awe of foreigners anymore particularly in the Chappel era.Is insisting on fitness a foreigner issue.We are talking cricket not politics.Enough of Chappel bashing.At least he opened up what was wrong in Indian cricket!I am no fan of Greg but one shd not get mindless in criticising based on skin colour.I think the chappel era has done great in preparing for the transition of cricket.Some upheaval is inescapable.As for Irfan Chappel has nothing to do with it.He lost his bowling rhythm not because he batted at three.
RE:Re:Resurgent India and Guru Greg
by Ifear paceman on Aug 11, 2007 11:39 AM
Dear Kartik Sehwag was and still can be good force.Pace bowlers if you use like Tonga horses we can see the Irfan type result. Now Zaheer being used in short spell he is effective. But for that we should have enough alternatives.
No one had imagined that you will score the first ton of this test. Hats off to you. Show the same magic with the ball. Kumble makes England tumble, fumble, crumble and then grumble.
it has been a great performance by team so far...all of them have contributed and that makes it extra special...what will make it sweeter is victory at oval and we should not expect any less either....its time we kick out england arrogance with 2-0...and how abt this time whole team goes bare chest rather than ganguly alone...best of luck...we are proud
RE:congrrts
by Umesh Verma on Aug 11, 2007 09:39 AM
And show them the hairs on the bare chest also !!! English people will take some time more to have hairs on their chest I believe....
Kumble has done great with a ton.It can be said it was a flat track,but when noone got there Kumble did.A fine aggressive cricketer with no tantrums it is just reward.Hope this sives him the pep to bowl well.I liked the way Rahul and Kumble examined the pitch to see how he could trouble the English.Will like to see Kumble do well as a bowler as the pace attack cannot fire here.
Now tell seriously guys, Do we Still need a COACH like Guru GREG? After him India has done very well , In Bangladesh, Ireland and now in England.......Chak de India!!!!!!!!
RE:Indian Team Effort.
by dilip kumar bhattacharya on Aug 11, 2007 09:42 AM
WHY TO BLAME GREG CHAPPEL.HE WAS SUCESSFUL IN HIS MISSION TO RUININDIA'S POSSIBILITY IN WORLD CUP.OUR BOYS ARE DOING EXCELLENT WITHOUT A COACH. NOW OUR BCCI SHOULD APPOINT A HI-FI COACH(FOR THEIR INTEREST)AND KEEP HIM IDLE(FOR THE NATION'S INTEREST) AND THIS IS ALL CRICKETLOVERS' DEMAND.
