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by anand ganesh on Apr 30, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
You are correct Kumar. Periyar only tried to uplift the Kshatriya, Vaishyas and Sudras(the second, third and fourth caste of Savarnas) over the Brahmins. He cared a damn for the untouchables.
RE:RE:RE:Excellent Article
by anand ganesh on Apr 30, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
dO YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF "FASCISTS"? You are the biggest fascist idiot. A facscist is one wjho cannot tolerate opposit views in a debate
Every Single Quota issue there seems to be a barrage of Anit-Brahminism. Is there anyone who is emotionally affected by Brahmins in real life (by Brahmins I mean strict followers i.e no alcohol , no non-vegetarian food strict followers )? forget temple(s) I don't believe in temples and I don't bother to go there at all .I believe God is in our heart , you just have to find it within yourself
RE:Why so much Anit-Brahminism ?
by Jeya Shree on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Your idea does not give clear picture. What do you mean by brahmin. If you mean that without alchahol and no NV, then 50% of the people in India are Brahmins. OK OK
Many people say that they are all Brahmin. How can you say by birth you are brahmin. If there is qualirty for brahmin, peson has the quality, he can be called a as brahmin. But so brhamin has no quality to call as brahmin. But this bran name was used by this community for personal life. ver bad
RE:Who is Brahmin
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
Do you have anything to say on the racist hysteria spread by barbarians like Periyar ?
RE:Who is Brahmin
by anand ganesh on Apr 30, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
Jeya Shree, Your view finds support from Bahgvad Geeta which clearly says that caste is determined by qualities and actions of a person(GUna karma vibagaso) and not by his birth.
Before commenting on this article and other's comment let me introduce myself as a foreign trained Phd in Computer science (and hence I did not avail of any reservation!) from a backward class. In the places where I studied, I have seen several forward castes people failing in exames. Recently I interviewed a candidated from the elite IIT (his GATE score was 100%) and he had absolutely 0% basics in computer science. He claims Processes (of Operating system) share address space while Threads don't. This is equivalent to saying 1 2 = 4. People who studied computer science know how foolish this answer is. He is a MTech graduate by the way. Yet another MS student at the university (where I was the Teaching Assistant for a class) was caught copying. He also belong to Forward Caste. I can give 100's of examples like this. I know of several FC computer science graduates who can't write a single line of C program, yet claim to work for top-notch software companies. Most of the FC students get job/grades through group work and not through individual work. Most imporatanlty, most of the FC students indulge in mugging and some short cut trick to get grades and jobs.
If I can tolerate these kinds of candidates, others should tolerate some genuine candidates coming through reservation. Otherwise, FC's will be soon subject to reverse discrimination. Atleast, that is what I will do in my work place with the kinds of candidates I mentioned above!
RE:Grow UP!
by Sriram Rags on Apr 30, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Guys, Chill out. This guy is not at all a phd holder. He is just garbling some of things that he had discussed with his room mates after a booze. Some hyped up, emotionally charged up college boy discussions.
He has mentioned that he is a phd holder inorder to establish credibility amongst the fellow readers. Thats it. His argumets are devoid of quality. There are hundred ways for justifying reservation, but not the way this guys has ...
RE:Grow UP!
by greatrr on Apr 30, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
Lets take your own argument - if a guy is really technically sound - why need reservation?? Forget a guy being FC/BC - outside india, nobody cares what u are - FC / BC or anything else!! Noone would claim all FC students are albert einstien's clone. You may be a dada on operating systems, processes & threads - but if someone would pick you on any other area, may be paralell computing or multicore for example (dont tell me you are encyclopedia on programming & operating systems) am sure you there may be questions you cant answer - I cant say ur dumb, just that you dont have exposure - thats it!! BTW irrespective of caste or creed - there are dull students & brilliant folks across caste. I wouldnt really care if a guy is BC/FC - all that matters is if he can do what he claims. Reservation is only for mentally handicapped folks - who cant prove their skills at the right place.
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by on Apr 30, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
Threads vs Process is like learning alphabets in computer science. Without knowing it, whatever he does is a crap! I can assure that I won't fail in my basics. Atleast I will boldly say "I don't know"
RE:Grow UP!
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
on do u think that a rich person should get reservation, just because he is from a particular caste?
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by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
looks like you live in a fantasy land. Why should a DBA/php developer just to give a few examples bother so much about process/threads. That is only for those into compiler/OS/unix internals stuff.
RE:Grow UP!
by greatrr on Apr 30, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
You better grow up - not all Operating systems support threads. have you heard of the term RTOS?? Ever worked on embedded software?
RE:RE:Grow UP!
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
No. But, I do know user level threads, kernel level threads, OS processes, JAVA threads, OpenMP threads, stack vs heap, thread switch vs context switch, race conditions, copy-on-write and ....few silly things like this!
RE:Grow UP!
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
good great boasting. Keep it up. I thought a good education broadened your horizons and made you broad-minded, but for you a good education is just a stick to beat the FCs with isnt it ?
RE:Grow UP!
by rolladesi on Apr 30, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
Dear Sir - The problem lies more in our education system. You don't have to understand much to get admissions to professional courses or graduate! All that is required is ability to go thro previous years papers and mug the answers!
RE:RE:Grow UP!
by kumar kn on Apr 30, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
First of all I dont think you are what u claim to be. I work in top end research and I find good candidates among Indians only those coming from open competition. I am a PHD in US too. I find all OBC candidates from India to be not intelligent enough. They cant even get into the place where I work. They cant even dream it. If you say backwards are so good then y do they need reservation? I dare them to compete in open competition. Only mentally retarded , backward in attitude people who lack any self respect and are genetically inferior ask for quotas. I dare them to compete in open competition withiout rigging.
RE:Grow UP!
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
thats a illogical argument. So what if some FCs are not good how does that justify reservation ? I know many guys who do Phds because they are rich and they have parental financial support, what is the big deal in that ?
RE:Grow UP!
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Which university did you do your PHd by the way ? I know for a fact most of the MS/Mtech/phds are duds. I know coz I have interviewed many MS/Mtech and I have friends too. An IIT Btech computer science guy is probably more intelligent than most of the foreign Phds
RE:RE:Grow UP!
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
I was born to a poor teacher in a poor village. I still do not own a vehicle! BTW, the question is not about me. Why not the same logic applies to FC as well? What's the big deal in to getting into IITs/IIMs if you can afford the cost of coaching classes.
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by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
and btw I too was poor. My father did'nt have a job I did'nt have the luxury of a coaching etc. And I am a FC yet I had to compete with duds from OBCs who could probably afford to pay 5L per annum easily getting in through with very low marks. So how is my situation different to yours, both of us are poor and yet you had the advantage of reservations isn'it it discriminatory
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by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
thats true so my question is why should rich OBCs avail of reservation. It is well known that OBCs have many rich guys among them, they are going to corner everything.
RE:Grow UP!
by LPY on Apr 30, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
Well, I don't think anybody said FCs have to get the jobs! It's only said that in the place of the wonderful people you have mentioned, there should not be a candidate selected (who does not even know what is meant by say 'thread' or 'processes') just by the virtue of his caste... simple as that... Too bad ur Ph.D has not really made u capable of understanding the key issue being debated!
RE:Grow UP!
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
But in reality I have seen people belonging to FC (and not knowing threads vs process) getting jobs. Too bad you don't understand what I said.
RE:Grow UP!
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 10:55 AM Permalink
It is nice to find you pal, 100% gate score, M Tech, IIT, you generalize as if he can't write a thread programme. How long it took you to recieve your phD ? At 33 years ? Did you receive a phD or got a job recently ?
RE:Grow UP!
by abcd on Apr 30, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Here comes another braggadocio, trying to flaunt his foreign earned PhD degree just to prove that he is a sucker with absolutely no analytical/logical reasoning capabilities. I am pretty sure that your alma mater is a big crap. Getting a PhD from some god forsaken univ abroad isn't a big deal dude!
You have made a disastrous attempt to say something that's utterly unconvincing through a few stray examples; looks like you cooked them up to bolster your theories. Even if they are true your generalization and conclusions drawn are totally illogical!!
Finally, if you have the guts do publish your true name and the company that you work for. Your discriminatory behavior and the intentions to discriminate people should be known to the employer. It%u2019s dangerous to hire and retain people like you who can wreck the company and its reputation. Watch out, if you choose to indulge in such discriminatory behavior at work I am pretty sure you will weeded out and treated like a crapweasel and your foreign earned PhD wouldn't come to rescue you at that time.
RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on Apr 30, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
I say (boldly) that if a guy even from FC comes to me to work with me and I found him to be a cheat/not capable, I will treat with indifference. You say a quality-conscious company will fire me for this? Nice joke. Probably, it could happend in the company of which your are the CEO.
RE:Grow UP!
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
I think you need to grow up in life.
Failure and Success are passing phase in Life. It dosent mean a person failing or not knowning something does not have the capability to strike back in life. What is more important is values and commitment for excellence. I am surprised that becasue of your caste minded attitude and as a professor you have probably failed/forgotten to mentor an individual who is wrong in concepts or has failed.
Understand to evaluate, mentor, educate people not based on caste but based on merit.
I have helped out so many people in reality. You can ask these guys. What is wrong in sharing my experiences? Did I make a mockery, like what you guys do? Did I make any perosnal comments? What is freedom of speech, then. Rediff clarify.
RE:Grow UP!
by abcd on Apr 30, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
Well, sorry to say this - Nameless (coward), you seem to be seriously retarded with no analytical skills. I am afraid that your IQ is below 70, coz u don't even seem to understand the concept of freedom of speech.
You have expressed your views and so have others. ASAT. And regarding the personal comments - u did say a lot about yourself personally. Especially about what sort of a person you are, we are all just inferring and emphasizing all the subtle details you have given about yourself. Thats all.....
RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on Apr 30, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
See, how many insults for a couple of statmements (that are 100% true), that I made! What a waste of 60 minutes. I should have sticked to coding, instead of wasting time with a bunch of pre-judiced minds. My IQ level may even go down to 0% if I continue my postings here....BTW, my post was meant for OBC's and it is sad to see no one here.
RE:Grow UP!
by abcd on Apr 30, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
I betcha u dont have a PhD, since when IQ is measured in % honey?? u've shown the real calibre of a OBC dude....
RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on Apr 30, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
It is really pity that you are continuously reading and responding to a post of a low-IQed fellows. It is not a surprise! While I take pride in being criticized by a highly intelligent soul like you. Go ahead and write more...
RE:Grow UP!
by abcd on Apr 30, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
there you go, I can see the change in your tone. Where is the brazen cocky attitude that you showed in your original post?? I am still replying coz I hate to see empty minds bragging and making so much noise. Glad that I succeeded in my endeavor of subduing you are your dirty attitude!! :)
RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on Apr 30, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
These kinds of insult is going to really empower the OBCs my friend. Already several OBCs achieved what FCs cannot, without any govt. support or by the virtue of being rich. You go on and continue these insults, your next generation will have to seek reservation to compete with us.
RE:Grow UP!
by abcd on Apr 30, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Yeah right, you claim to be empowered then why the hell do you need reservation? Let me get the fact straight. Your IQ levels are low and will continue to be pathetic (even if u earn a PhD from US or whatever) coz thats all in your genes! Going by the scientific theories we will continue to evolve and you will devolve, so our next generations will outsmart yours hands down.
We have razor sharp brains and our kids will beat the shit of your kids for sure (like what I am doing to you now!!). Keep dreaming and devolving you crapweasel.
RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on Apr 30, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
See, the true mind coming out. So, this is what you had in your mind about us. So, all the talks of equality is a fake! You want our generations to perish. That's why you don't like us coming to power.
But, I do not want to foolishly reveal what I (we) think about you guys and spoil our plans.
RE:Grow UP!
by greatrr on Apr 30, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
Mr. Nameless - Here is the fact!! You may have reservations even 100% in IITs.. FCs know their way to work it out to the top. World is huge & there are many wonderful places to work for. If our fellow politicians want a farce & dont wanna use the brightest brains to work in India..its their loss!!US, Europe, Japan & Elsewhere - FCs have solid job & earn pretty well!! better off than the stink of reservation!!
RE:RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on May 01, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
I am one of the fiercest opponent of reservation, just like you all claim that you hate caste system. I was only bringing out the fact that there are several genuine workers in OBC (and even in SC/ST) category and as a matter of fact among every human civilization. Generalizing a group based on a sample is absurd, just like you claim my generalization based on my observation is wrong. That you should understand! BTW, Europe and US do not belong to you alone either. Anyone can go and work there too!
RE:Grow UP!
by kumar kn on Apr 30, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
First of all I dont think you are what u claim to be. I work in top end research and I find good candidates among Indians only those coming from open competition. I am a PHD in US too. I find all OBC candidates from India to be not intelligent enough. They cant even get into the place where I work. They cant even dream it. If you say backwards are so good then y do they need reservation? I dare them to compete in open competition. Only mentally retarded , backward in attitude people who lack any self respect and are genetically inferior ask for quotas. I dare them to compete in open competition withiout rigging.
RE:Grow UP!
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
I settle down for things that I can do. I don't go after "big" things like what you said. BTW, I got 92% in GATE with zero preparatoin and 20 minutes late to exam...I do agree that I am NOT smart.
RE:Grow UP!
by Nameless on Apr 30, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
And sorry for really offeding some people. I do not intend to offend anyone. Since everyone else is brining the statistics of these may OBC failed and so on and I had to do this. Otherwise, I really hate to hurt people.
RE:Grow UP!
by sakar panch on Apr 30, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
I think in your anxiety you got a lot of facts wrong. FYI, I dont think anyone can have a 100% score in GATE - if it is a true percentile system.
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by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
I am sorry but any guy who gets 92 in a crap exam like Gate isnt smart at all. GATE is probably the easiest of all national level exams in India, mostly because none of the smart guys want to write GATE
RE:Grow UP!
by Kishore on Apr 30, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
Perfect , another loser degrading another person. Not every one is perfect , everyone has their own strong point and weak points . You have no right to belittle anyone , You call yourself a professor , then GOD save your students .
RE:Grow UP!
by Kishore on Apr 30, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
Using such words shows your true character , cheap , taunting,disrespecting loser . I pity your parents they deserved a better cultured son than you . Go back to your cubical and count your dollars because that's exactly whant you are money sucking parasite whose only job is belittling fellow Indians and in the whole my beloved country INDIA
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by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
One of my close friends was a SC/ST( i dont know which) who had a gold ring in each finger and he was getting some financial benefit from the govt because of his caste, in fact he was quite amused about it.
These IAS and politicians spoiling the whole of this country commenting anything to suit their boss' interest.
If Periyar is against the Brahmin , what is going to lose. Definitely he would have been against those Brahmins who practices the Brahminism in their own orthodox manner. Bhahminism is very great and I doubt whether anyone in India is there to talk about it otherthan our beloved President who is really a Brahmin,, practising Brahma bhava without differentiating anything living a classic life style. All others are trash and having personal interests. Brahminism , is the quality and everyone should try to achieve it leaving the subjective personal matters at least on occasions. It is the same as Advaita where nothing is superior or inferior and everything same including the God which is repeatedly spelt 1000 times in our vedas and other ramayana and Mahabharata.
Hence the quality of certain brahmins should be fought against and not the Brahminism.
Books on social history of pure Tamil (Pachchai Tamizhar) caste Non-Brahmin Communities record the discriminatory laws practised by these castes against Dalits - if a Dalit girl was raped by a caste non-Brahmin , he was required to give a small pot of rice in compensation - Dalits were not allowed to use water from the same wells as other caste non-Brahmins. These laws were practised even in villages where there were no Brahmins and the panchayat decisions were based on these laws. Yet EVR who is projected as a COURAGEOUS FIGHTER for social justice NEVER NEVER had the COURAGE to talk againt such oppression because he was SCARED of antagonizing the MAJORITY. He targeted ONLY the Brahmins (because they were small numerically , basically disorganized and gutless too!) and tried to create an impression that they were solely responsible and that the Tamil Non-Brahmins had always championed the Dalits. When Pasumpon Thevar issued a warning that Periyar would be hacked (killed) if he did his atheist propaganda in his district this man avoided Theni & other places where Thevar had great influence.
Though I am of Brahmin descent I will admit that over the centuries we have committed many social offences against Dalits including untouchability BUT WE ARE NOT THE SOLE CRIMINALS as is being projected today - the Non-Brahmins (Business & other communities)have committed even greater atrocities & are now fooling the people. Periyar fully deserves the "CREDIT" for this trend. In the second half of 2003 in a village in Tamilnad feacal matter was thrust by Tamil NON_BRAHMINS into the mouths of Dalits and a 2 page coverage was given in 'The Hindu' Sunday supplement but the DK, DMK, PMK did not care - if the perpetrators had been Brahmins we would have seen the 'RAGE & COURAGE' of Tamils.
Dr. Ambedkar (Hats off to him!) was a great fighter for social justice but EV Ramasamy Naicker does not fall in the same category.
RE:Periyar was anti-Brahmin not anti-Brahminism
by Rangasamy Vijay on Apr 30, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
I am sure with changing times any remaining caste based discrimination should vanish. Periyar was a man of contradictions though appreciated in some ways for supporting women's rights. His followers especially these the two dravidan parties are trying to project him for their own selfish needs. His own party (do not know how many members are there ??) is busy living on his fortune. All these idiots do not undertsnd that education staring from basic level is essential to uplift a society and not by diluting merits in a higher institutions in the name of social justice. They can not tolerate brahmins/ FC scoring on merits and know that FC will strip them pants down in any competitive field where merit is teh only criteria. Jai Hind
Gandhi was not killed for reforming hinduism...but for creating Pakistan. So quoting that as an example of periyar's vision is incorrect. Please get your facts straight.
Mr. Ramaswamy Naicker was a rationalist? Well, here is my way of looking at his approach for problems. If he was a person against superstitions, why just limit it to brahmin cult?? Well muslims grow beard? Did Mr. Naicker had guts to question them?? There were incidents were brahmin sacred threats were cut - did their men dare to do that against christians wearing a cross?? Periyar was against brahminism - not against brahmins is like saying ABC Political party is not against communists but against communism - Changed phrases still mean the samething unless the reader is dumb with respect to english
RE:Open Question..
by LPY on Apr 30, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
well, if he had tried it with Muslims, he's hv had his b@lls cut and cud not hv made merry at 70! well, a stray dog barks at children and does not take on ambassador cars! Now u know y!
